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Katie

Federal Way, WA

#301567 Jun 21, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
KATIE AND PLAYA,.
I tried answering this,whole con piracy thing yesterday.
Had some surgery and pain makes me cranky and I do not wish to be testy when posting. SO to write calmly and not be rude
<SNIPPED FOR SPACE>
If you sell say books ...glasses..you wind up with less business when people have less money..they don't replace things either..just make do.
And giving t o worthwhile charities..firget that's,last on the list if you have little money
It's called belt tightening and we all do it..Washington does not..where did all the outrage on the deficit go..It's at least tripled
Socialism does,nit work as an economy ..
Ok done with the speech .
FOUND A FEW LINKS. Just in case anyone wants to look at this,stuff from the other side.
Frankly we do best when C congress and the White house are not in lock step..but hey that is just imo
http://clowardandpiven.com/...
http://sadimtouch.wordpress.com/2008/10/08/cl...
http://clowardandpiven.com/...
http://takimag.com/article/a_short_guide_to_l...
Rose, I read your links above. My opinion is these spout a lot of Religious Right propaganda.

After reading these, I searched for objective information on this George Soros. He is against totalitarianism and communism. The Religious Right groups hate him for that. He sees through their game (just like others and I do).

He had a theory against George W. Bush, but I think it's applicable going all the way back to the 1950s, after WWII. When women were sent back into the homes and new television shows reflected *perfect* households of authoritarian father, stay-at-home mother and two to five kids (both genders) to mix it up a bit.

Anyway, his theory is that Americans see a piece of reality and then focus on an ideal and try to create a reality out of it.

I see it as a balance. You see him as a threat. I see the Religious Right as a threat. Balance.

We all have personal stories regarding this recession begun in 2008. For me, it started earlier. But I am managing. Every tax season, I pay my taxes and these are deducted from the exemptions. Know why? Because I am a private contractor and pay no taxes during the year. Every tax season, every penny of tax is squeezed out of whatever exemptions I claim. So I don't feel bad receiving a refund. Just wish there was opportunity to pay during the year instead of keeping my money in the gov't's bank.

My daughter and granddaughter live with me. Both my daughter and I work outside the home. We both pay taxes. Neither of us qualifies for outside help. I've been falling through the cracks of all those programs set up to help people like me -- abandoned by her ex-husband, tens of thousands owed in child support arrears -- for years, decades. We were gearing up to have a sort of a reunion. Things were coming full circle. We were involved in a legal proceeding... Then he died. After his death his widow .... well she's never been my favorite person. Karma will run over her dogma.

I am not afraid of people like George Soros. Nor am I afraid of the Religious Right.

I'm afraid of people who don't research on their own and just follow blindly whomever says what they want to hear. And then trying to change laws to reflect what they like to hear rather than what's good for the secular country where everyone born or naturalized here has civil rights.
worships reality

AOL

#301568 Jun 21, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>Unless you'd like to expand on why I'm an 'idiot', for correcting my previous statement, or do as I unfailingly do, and take responsibility for having been 'wrong'(which I've never seen you do, even once, since you began posting) take your seat, and quit waving your skid-marked underwear around. You may be excused when little Suzie gets back from the restroom....until then, you'll have to wait your turn, like everyone else.
:)
you didn't take any responsibility for being wrong. you tried to pass off some half assed explanation that those weren't the exceptions you meant and that they weren't the exceptions you and katie were talking about. phony bigot.
worships reality

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#301569 Jun 21, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>But removing them, and returning the Pledge to its pre-1954 wording, would mean religious folks were being "silenced."
My eyes just rolled back so far I saw my brain.
did ya have to squint to see it, bigot?
worships reality

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#301570 Jun 21, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>Yes.
And then the law was changed.
that's what those of us who oppose abotion would like to see happen.
his logic was circular. he's not very bright. like you.
Katie

Federal Way, WA

#301571 Jun 21, 2013
worships reality wrote:
<quoted text>
you didn't take any responsibility for being wrong. you tried to pass off some half assed explanation that those weren't the exceptions you meant and that they weren't the exceptions you and katie were talking about. phony bigot.
What exceptions was I talking about with NAP?

You might have me confused with someone else.
worships reality

AOL

#301572 Jun 21, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>As a matter of fact, that's precisely what I did. However, had I stood up loud and proud, and said what I REALLY thought, which is "I don't believe in this imaginary God", I certainly would have been at least 'disciplined'...as I worked in the buckle of the Bible Belt at the time.
not what you said. you said you would have been fired if you kept your mouth shut for those two words. obviously you weren't.
you backpedal a hell of a lot.
And yesterday, I had a high-colonic enema....so your first assertion is also incorrect.
I don't recommend this treatment in your case, as you would undoubtedly implode and disappear...
oh, what the hell - give it a go. The more I think about it, the more I like that idea!
:)
you could have high colonic enemas every day for the next 6 months and not fully clean out the stanky dung you're full of.
worships reality

AOL

#301573 Jun 21, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
Despite what you learned from "mandingo", you could not kill a slave with impunity. There were laws concerning that. If one died during punishment, there would still be an inquiry. Many times, they were ruled accidental, just like when a prisoner dies while in custody today.
depends what time period you're referring to.

"....In fact, before 1774 it was not a crime in North Carolina to assault or even kill a slave. After 1774, a white person who murdered a slave would receive only 12 months in prison if it was their first offense. However, according to the 1774 law, if the slave was killed while the white person was using “moderate correction” to punish him or her, there would be no criminal charge."
And, again for the slow-witted, murder cannot be legal.
it was back then. imagine that.

“Let the Children”

Since: Aug 08

Come To Me

#301574 Jun 21, 2013
Katie wrote:
<quoted text>
Rose, I read your links above. My opinion is these spout a lot of Religious Right propaganda.
After reading these, I searched for objective information on this George Soros. He is against totalitarianism and communism. The Religious Right groups hate him for that. He sees through their game (just like others and I do).
He had a theory against George W. Bush, but I think it's applicable going all the way back to the 1950s, after WWII. When women were sent back into the homes and new television shows reflected *perfect* households of authoritarian father, stay-at-home mother and two to five kids (both genders) to mix it up a bit.
Anyway, his theory is that Americans see a piece of reality and then focus on an ideal and try to create a reality out of it.
I see it as a balance. You see him as a threat. I see the Religious Right as
I am not afraid of people like George Soros. Nor am I afraid of the Religious Right.
I'm afraid of people who don't research on their own and just follow blindly whomever says what they want to hear. And then trying to change laws to reflect what they like to hear rather than what's good for the secular country where everyone born or naturalized here has civil rights.
Katie..

Your story is similar to mine..just a thought .But maybe you can't
Pay taxes Quarterly but an accountant can help.
I have never made much money ans less as a,private contractor

Went 5 years with no child support..And very little before that..So really know where you are coming from.

The point is without people with some money t h ere is no one to pay you.
And I did not have any govt aid either

Our billionaire friend has bragged about manipulating the market. Overarching bragging on tv about taking out his huge investments just months before the 2008 elections...He has way too much political power for one person to have.

I just had to Google Clowa rd. And Pive n to get those links.I have known about this way before the current administration..It's notices..it was,nothing to do with the Religious Right..I listened than one ..It's not our imagination ..
The government is top heavy with huge debt

SONETIMES people we don't respect have useful information.

This was a dangerous strategy thought of by eggheads in the sixties...

Unfortunately this is coming to fruition thanks to people who bought into it.
And professors who taught socialism in the schools out of which the politicians come

judging by the way the government is run today..I'd say. The people you are afraid of are less useful than the ones that scare me.

And our kids and grandkids will pay the price.

I am not a fan of Falwell and his ilk by the way..neither are most people..

From what I see big mouths on both sides blur the message ..while socialism. Creeps in ..And the government in the person of the I R S. Still has no business hampering one side of the big mouths over the other.. I use my DVR much more before an election.
worships reality

AOL

#301575 Jun 21, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>So in Farsi,'Allah' is pronounced 'God'?
she's not talking about pronunciation, she's talking about word meaning you dunce. Allah means God.
Try again.
she doesn't need to. you just exposed your own idiocy. quite effeciently i might add.
worships reality

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#301576 Jun 21, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
Allah is the NAME of their deity; God is the NAME of the christian deity. By your theory, then, you won't mind that the pledge is changed to "under allah", right?
<quoted text>
if they wanted to say the pledge in their native tongue the translation of the word god would be allah. no objection here.
you so want others to admit that they are as hatefully intolerant as you.
worships reality

AOL

#301577 Jun 21, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>
Your inability to understand English is not surprising, even though you attempted to claim that 'God' is 'Allah' in English, and garbled the hell out of it.
So, by this reasoning, it would be fine with you if we began to require schoolchildren to recite a pledge with the phrase "One nation under Allah," since it's just two different names for the same 'god'.
But no, you want to claim that 'Allah' isn't an English word.
So, how about we change the Pledge of Allegiance to read "One nation under the Flying Spaghetti Monster."
Those are English words...is that the same god you worship?
which religion worships the flying spaghetti monster ? advise them that the word god covers their deity. it's the all purpose word for deities.
bigot.
worships reality

AOL

#301578 Jun 21, 2013
Ink wrote:
<quoted text>
I understand English just fine. I don't understand you. Cpeter asked me the same question without all the double talk and I said calling God Allah is fine with me but wouldn't make much sense since the pledge is in English recited by English speaking people.
they get it. they just don't like the fact that you're not exhibiting the hateful intolerance they expect and want to see from you. the same kind that comes as easy as breathing to them.
worships reality

AOL

#301579 Jun 21, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>The view that a woman has the same rights as a man, has been law since 1921.
If you agree that women should have the right to vote, and you exercise that right, I guess you can thank the 'pro-death' individuals who campaigned without ceasing until that right was recognized....since that was their view as well.
even if abortion were made illegal women would still possess the same exact rights as a man. no man has the right to choose to electively terminate human life, born or unborn. given this, and the fact that the right to choose is currently a reality, women and men do "not" possess the same rights. how fair is that?
worships reality

AOL

#301580 Jun 21, 2013
Katie wrote:
<quoted text>
What exceptions was I talking about with NAP?
You might have me confused with someone else.
you're right. it was rose.
Katie

Federal Way, WA

#301581 Jun 21, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Katie..
Your story is similar to mine..just a thought .But maybe you can't
Pay taxes Quarterly but an accountant can help.
I have never made much money ans less as a,private contractor
Went 5 years with no child support..And very little before that..So really know where you are coming from.
The point is without people with some money t h ere is no one to pay you.
And I did not have any govt aid either
Our billionaire friend has bragged about manipulating the market. Overarching bragging on tv about taking out his huge investments just months before the 2008 elections...He has way too much political power for one person to have.
I just had to Google Clowa rd. And Pive n to get those links.I have known about this way before the current administration..It's notices..it was,nothing to do with the Religious Right..I listened than one ..It's not our imagination ..
The government is top heavy with huge debt
SONETIMES people we don't respect have useful information.
This was a dangerous strategy thought of by eggheads in the sixties...
Unfortunately this is coming to fruition thanks to people who bought into it.
And professors who taught socialism in the schools out of which the politicians come
judging by the way the government is run today..I'd say. The people you are afraid of are less useful than the ones that scare me.
And our kids and grandkids will pay the price.
I am not a fan of Falwell and his ilk by the way..neither are most people..
From what I see big mouths on both sides blur the message ..while socialism. Creeps in ..And the government in the person of the I R S. Still has no business hampering one side of the big mouths over the other.. I use my DVR much more before an election.
Rose, am enjoying our discussion, but fighting headache. Hope you are feeling better after your surgery.

Both sides are just fighting for power. Power corrupts. That's why the framers set up things the way the did. For balance. I am all for balance. It's the accountant in me (even though that part's been squelched since I no longer work as an accountant).

What's been going on since Obama took office is a young Congress focusing on getting him out of office. They were so shocked he was voted in for a 2nd term.

This young Congress wastes too much time on nonessential issues. Big issues to them, to the Religious Right, but not for this economy.

I am currently researching the late 1800s up through the Depression. So far what I see is a repeat of history, although not necessarily in the same order. The Gilded Age had no middle class. One thing created following WWII was the middle class. And our country thrived. Some on the Republican side of the aisle would like to see a return to a ruling class and a serving class. They currently look to Venezuela and like what they see over there. I certainly don't like it. Even their wealthy must stand in a line for a roll of toilet paper.

It's not all Republicans wanting this or working toward this, though. And I sense you are probably thinking along the same lines they do. As do I. Like I mentioned the other day, until my state changed our voting practices, I'd vote either party, depending on whom I thought was best qualified for the job. I don't like having to pick a party or pick a side, though. It's disrespectful, I think.

Anyway, hope you're healing up and enjoying your day, Rose.
rosesz

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#301582 Jun 21, 2013
worships reality wrote:
<quoted text>
you're right. it was rose.
Now what did I say that you disagree with.

I have only listed 2 things in past 2days regarding katies comments
On the conspiracy of the so called Religious Right..took a break
As I was not in the mood to argue..

Physically nor mentally
rosesz

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#301583 Jun 21, 2013
Katie wrote:
<quoted text>
Rose, am enjoying our discussion, but fighting headache. Hope you are feeling better after your surgery.
Both sides are just fighting for power. Power corrupts. That's why the framers set up things the way the did. For balance. I am all for balance. It's the accountant in me (even though that part's been squelched since I no longer work as an accountant).
What's been going on since Obama took office is a young Congress focusing on getting him out of office. They were so shocked he was voted in for a 2nd term.
This young Congress wastes too much time on nonessential issues. Big issues to them, to the Religious Right, but not for this economy.
I am currently researching the late 1800s up through the Depression. So far what I see is a repeat of history, although not necessarily in the same order. The Gilded Age had no middle class. One thing created following WWII was the middle class. And our country thrived. Some on the Republican side of the aisle would like to see a return to a ruling class and a serving class. They currently look to Venezuela and like what they see over there. I certainly don't like it. Even their wealthy must stand in a line for a roll of toilet paper.
It's not all Republicans wanting this or working toward this, though. And I sense you are probably thinking along the same lines they do. As do I. Like I mentioned the other day, until my state changed our voting practices, I'd vote either party, depending on whom I thought was best qualified for the job. I don't like having to pick a party or pick a side, though. It's disrespectful, I think.
Anyway, hope you're healing up and enjoying your day, Rose.
Thanks Katie ..hope your headache gets better.

I find if I get too heated on here my blood pressure goes up and I get. Migraine.

Still in pain but may be a n
Bit better since yesterday ..thanks.

What I see is the RR you speak of is mostly impotent..and I wish the Congress would start at least trying to work
together to get us out if this mess that keeps getting worse. And stop the other side from breaking us.

The real thing that ticks me off is the millionaires up there telling us we need to pay more.
Believe it or not mist Republicans are middle classes. And pay a lot to Uncle..they spend on stupid!!!!

But they allnpkay to their base and points fingers.
Take care
grumpy

Garnerville, NY

#301584 Jun 21, 2013
worships reality wrote:
<quoted text>
depends what time period you're referring to.
"....In fact, before 1774 it was not a crime in North Carolina to assault or even kill a slave. After 1774, a white person who murdered a slave would receive only 12 months in prison if it was their first offense. However, according to the 1774 law, if the slave was killed while the white person was using “moderate correction” to punish him or her, there would be no criminal charge."
<quoted text>
it was back then. imagine that.
In 1774 there was no North
Carolina.
No Relativism

Huntington, IN

#301585 Jun 21, 2013
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
<quoted text>
The middle ground for NORMAL people starts with the understanding that abortion has been happening since the beginning of time, and legislation is NOT going to stop that.
The middle ground for NORMAL people then starts with discussions about education and prevention that go BEYOND the unrealistic bullshit of abstainance only.
You're not normal in ANY sense SKanky. You live in a delusional world where these issues are black and white, and LIFE simply isn't that clean cut.
Honey FooFoo: "The middle ground for NORMAL people starts with the understanding that abortion has been happening since the beginning of time, and legislation is NOT going to stop that."

Rape has been happening since the beginning of time.

What's your middle ground on that? Legislatoin is NOT going to stop that, either. Right?
grumpy

Garnerville, NY

#301586 Jun 21, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
Meaning, the bible is not relevant to our time or culture.
<quoted text>
Read Genesis where God describes the future of the descendants of Ishmael and write that the Bible is not relevant today, especially vis a vis Israel.

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