Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

There are 310346 comments on the Newsday story from Jan 22, 2008, titled Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision. In it, Newsday reports that:

Thousands of abortion opponents marched from the National Mall to the Supreme Court on Tuesday in their annual remembrance of the court's Roe v. Wade decision.

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“Truly Pro-Life”

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#301164 Jun 18, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes I am stubborn..you bet.
Sorry but really the right is NOT making this up. If the right wanted to favor the right via the I R S..it would have done it..But it's only before this LAST election.
I do not want the I R S favoring anyone.
And your right...the 2Sides did used to work together.
The thing is we have much more big government now..and that is not good.
The big rant on Bush was the deficit..it has been hugely multiplied in the last few years.
And the worst is they DPRND so much time getting elected and making the other side look bad ..there is no cooperation at all.
You are afraid of the Religious right.. I am afraid of the socialists.
They are much more dangerous imo..And neither of us like people behind the scenes..But going after these people we don't like should not be the purview of the Fed..unless they break the law.
Now see I was young bug I liked Kennedy..He lowered taxes..both ghosts by in more money and stood up strong against the Commies..No wonder he got killed..congress used to work for us..now it's agsinst each other
When either party has too much power it's not good.
They kicked out Nixon for using His office and the gov for hit lists.
That was a good thing.
We should get rid of any one abusing power.
And yes this really gets to me..
As thinking abortion coukd be outlawed gets to you.
Trust me the latter won't happen..it's too ingrained and political.
So we each from opposite sides see danger ..my fears are already a reality.
You perceive the religious right as less dangerous, because they claim to share your religion - and apparently you think the socialists are more dangerous, because they actually want to put the tenets of your religion in place...feeding the poor; offering medicine to all, regardless of income; and treating men and women equally under the law.

Go figure.

“GO BLACKHAWKS!!”

Since: Dec 07

Home of Lord Stanley!

#301165 Jun 18, 2013
eyeswideopen wrote:
<quoted text>
How did they get taught all that, when they wouldn't talk about sexual things at all?
(remember, wouldn't even share about menses cause anything sexual was dirty?)
Their sex education amounted to "Sex is dirty. Men are pigs. Wait til you're married. You'll find out then."
sasylicious

Jackson, NJ

#301166 Jun 18, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
A pregnant woman may or may not end up with a baby; she is not constrained by your limits. And why does it never occur to you that she got her "jollies" too--and might have been the aggressor?
<quoted text>
Her getting her "jollies" too or being the aggressor has no bearing on the man who USED her for sex. If he bailed on her after finding out she was pregnant,makes him not only a user for sex,but a deadbeat selfish Dad who wants no responsibility for his actions.

What's interesting,is that if a man runs from his responsibilities,he is a low life dirtbag,deadbeat dad who should take care of his kid...but if the girl runs from her responsibilities and aborts,then she is consider okay and practicing her choices.

In your book anyway.

The book of deception.

What's ya got to say about this Petey?
sasylicious

Jackson, NJ

#301167 Jun 18, 2013
-Michelle- wrote:
<quoted text>
Their sex education amounted to "Sex is dirty. Men are pigs. Wait til you're married. You'll find out then."
I see that posters point. You went into vivid detail about what was taught,expected and accepted, but yet you said it wasn't talked about. Obviously it was talked about.
sasylicious

Jackson, NJ

#301168 Jun 18, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
A pregnant woman may or may not end up with a baby; she is not constrained by your limits.
<quoted text>
Pregnant means she IS with child. So,yeah,she ended up with a baby when she conceived.

You are talking about a live or dead baby (after having it killed).

Don't want a baby,don't get pregnant. SIMPLE.

If you ARE pregnant,you ARE having a baby.

Abortion kills that baby.

No abortion means nine months later,approx,you will deliver that baby.

“GO BLACKHAWKS!!”

Since: Dec 07

Home of Lord Stanley!

#301170 Jun 18, 2013
sasylicious wrote:
<quoted text>I see that posters point. You went into vivid detail about what was taught,expected and accepted, but yet you said it wasn't talked about. Obviously it was talked about.
I didn't give a vivid detail as to what was taught. I gave a detailed reason for what was *not* taught and why it was not taught.

I said my mother was not taught about sex and her body by her mother. My grandmothers idea of sex education amounted to "Ask your cousin" or "That's dirty. We don't talk about things like that." and I explained why she felt that way because her mother, my great grandmother, was raised the same way because, at the most, she was taught that sex was dirty and you only have it when you're married to keep your husband happy. If you, or anyone else, believes that's a suffice, educational and detailed sex talk, you're free to believe so.
Katie

Federal Way, WA

#301171 Jun 18, 2013
-Michelle- wrote:
<quoted text>
I respect the fact that you, and those you personally know, were taught different views regarding sex. However, I was speaking about *my* family and the way *they* were raised to think and feel about sex.
It wasn't much different than my household. Even with the animals procreating right in front of our eyes. Think we were told it was dirty to dissuade us from trying it out on our own. It worked for some, not for others. What can you do?

Besides, with your Gramma... and her ... what do you call it when she's throwing that mean looking shoe? Heck, I'd shy away from anything knowing that shoe is aimed my way!

LOL :)

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON to Save us

#301172 Jun 18, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
I suspect rose is like my mother. She hated abortion, but believed just as strongly in minding her own business. I wouldn't classify her as pro-choice as much as non-interference--the essence of a free society.
<quoted text>
Sorry to disappoint Peter.

I am very much on the pro life side.

No I don't picket ..But I would try to counsel an alternative if given the chance with someone I know. I think. It's horrid. For both baby and woman.
But I think Roe is too much entrenched in politics to ever be. Overturned..

So barring that........ education. for PEOPLE WHOSE PARENTS CAN'T OR WON'T GIVE IT..the nastier the videos the better. I woukd have PSA s all over the. Place like the smoking ones on M T V and the net. People with diseased..saying be careful ..use condoms.

I'd have vids of birth and ABORTION( would the PC activists allow THAT)
And have birth control education in high school like that.

And if parents don't want this in the class..have it mandatory on the school web. They can watch with their kids kids and have a test on it.

And also let them know the only way to be totally safe is abstinence .

Throw all of it at them in parts easy to understand. And then educate on being as safe as possible .
BC and yes respect for self..HOOKING up is plain uncool ..get celebrities to push this..They live the likelike.

So I guess I'm probably more into this than mom ..But fir heaven sake in this day and age ..having so many pregnancies unwanted and ABORTION in these numbers is the worst news in the women's dept.

It's harder on the moms than using safety and it ends human life.

“GO BLACKHAWKS!!”

Since: Dec 07

Home of Lord Stanley!

#301173 Jun 18, 2013
Katie wrote:
<quoted text>
It wasn't much different than my household. Even with the animals procreating right in front of our eyes. Think we were told it was dirty to dissuade us from trying it out on our own. It worked for some, not for others. What can you do?
Besides, with your Gramma... and her ... what do you call it when she's throwing that mean looking shoe? Heck, I'd shy away from anything knowing that shoe is aimed my way!
LOL :)
It's funny you mention animals as my grandma was raised in the country. The family had farmland in Texas and Mexico. But when it came to talking about human sex and all that jazz, they didn't have discussions about that. It was basically "Don't do it until you're married" and it was the end of the discussion. There really was no detailed discussions or detailed explanations for their beliefs and you didn't question what you were told.

Even to this day, my grandma doesn't like to talk about those things and some of the most hilarious discussions with my grandma involves those subjects. She damn near died of shock when I sent my SO on a Kotex run. She was like: "You can't send him out to the store to buy THAT!" and I was like: "If you're sending him out to the store to buy you some Dulcolax because you can't poop, he can bring back some damn pads!" and that's when she breaks out the infamous chancla and flings it my way, LMAO!! And you can't get her started about sex. She refers to it as "being filthy with each other". As in: "When I stay at your aunt and uncle's house, I don't even dare go into the basement when they're down there because only God knows what kind of filthy things they're doing to each other down there!", I swear, my Gram's a trip!!:o)

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON to Save us

#301174 Jun 18, 2013
Katie wrote:
<quoted text>
No, it's not YOU Christians taking over. I have not once said or implied it.
The organization is called The Religious Right. It is an organization, Rose. Been in existence as long as Roe v Wade has been. I gave you the link with the entire history and still you reflect no new knowledge of what the organization is about.
We do agree that preventing pregnancy is far better than terminating it.
But you are still fetus focused and I am still woman focused. The fetus has no awareness of itself. The woman is aware of herself, her life, her circumstances. She is the only one, imo, with any authority on dealing with unwanted/unhealthy pregnancy.
Sadly we don't agree that these decision affect two humans . Katie.

I just saw a black woman on tv ..some professor on a panel say with a straight face that if I am white and oppose lat e term abortion it's because we are racist..We do nit want to see any late term elective abortion ..Nit one single bit if evidence says we think either is fine.

Politics..shameful. And I will look up that history when I can..what I read on the last link I got here was its a,movement that all of us who are religious,are lumped in with.

They used to accuse JEWS if running things behind the scenes. Now it's,Christians ...fir people with so much power ..how have we had this administration and Congress fir five years..it makes no sense to be afraid of that IMO

But I'll look for that history.
Having a small surgery tomorrow ..So be busy .

whe Cloward Pivin agenda was enacted since the Sixties leading to bigger government..And now,we have it..
Katie

Federal Way, WA

#301176 Jun 18, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry to disappoint Peter.
I am very much on the pro life side.
No I don't picket ..But I would try to counsel an alternative if given the chance with someone I know. I think. It's horrid. For both baby and woman.
But I think Roe is too much entrenched in politics to ever be. Overturned..
So barring that........ education. for PEOPLE WHOSE PARENTS CAN'T OR WON'T GIVE IT..the nastier the videos the better. I woukd have PSA s all over the. Place like the smoking ones on M T V and the net. People with diseased..saying be careful ..use condoms.
I'd have vids of birth and ABORTION( would the PC activists allow THAT)
And have birth control education in high school like that.
And if parents don't want this in the class..have it mandatory on the school web. They can watch with their kids kids and have a test on it.
And also let them know the only way to be totally safe is abstinence .
Throw all of it at them in parts easy to understand. And then educate on being as safe as possible .
BC and yes respect for self..HOOKING up is plain uncool ..get celebrities to push this..They live the likelike.
So I guess I'm probably more into this than mom ..But fir heaven sake in this day and age ..having so many pregnancies unwanted and ABORTION in these numbers is the worst news in the women's dept.
It's harder on the moms than using safety and it ends human life.
The numbers for the most recent reporting year are around 4M live births annually to about 800K induced abortions annually. There is a net gain of one person every 13 seconds in the USA.
http://www.census.gov/popclock/

"Results: A total of 784,507 abortions were reported to CDC for 2009. Of these abortions, 772,630 (98.5%) were from the 45 reporting areas that provided data every year during 20002009. Among these same 45 reporting areas, the abortion rate for 2009 was 15.1 abortions per 1,000 women aged 1544 years, and the abortion ratio was 227 abortions per 1,000 live births. Compared with 2008, the total number and rate of reported abortions for 2009 decreased 5%, representing the largest single year decrease for the entire period of analysis. The abortion ratio decreased 2%. From 2000 to 2009, the total number, rate, and ratio of reported abortions decreased 6%, 7%, and 8%, respectively, to the lowest levels for 20002009."
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss61...

Please note the number of annual abortions decreased 5% for the last reporting year of 2009. This is good news.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON to Save us

#301177 Jun 18, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>You perceive the religious right as less dangerous, because they claim to share your religion - and apparently you think the socialists are more dangerous, because they actually want to put the tenets of your religion in place...feeding the poor; offering medicine to all, regardless of income; and treating men and women equally under the law.
Go figure.
This nation was made what it is by self reliance and hard work .

Big government is never an answer ..gives too much power.

Charitable giving is great and also. But bankrupting the country with a huge daddy fed not good and not sustainable.

By the way talking about behind the scenes strategy as I was..this,bent has been going on for decades.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward-Piven_St...

And our conversation which it's too late and you can read back please if you like was the I R S going after the tea party and pro Israel groups...It's, against the law but it's ok because it's,against people we don't like..that's been my theme anyway and we need to be very careful in fighting this. It's deplorable crime against freedom of speech and not their job to be political

We ars giving out money Willy nilly and what happened to our horror at the deficit..It's many times bigger than BUSH had but hey it's ok???

Anyway too tired to argue ..little surgery tomorrow need rest
Katie

Federal Way, WA

#301178 Jun 18, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Sadly we don't agree that these decision affect two humans . Katie.
I just saw a black woman on tv ..some professor on a panel say with a straight face that if I am white and oppose lat e term abortion it's because we are racist..We do nit want to see any late term elective abortion ..Nit one single bit if evidence says we think either is fine.
Politics..shameful. And I will look up that history when I can..what I read on the last link I got here was its a,movement that all of us who are religious,are lumped in with.
They used to accuse JEWS if running things behind the scenes. Now it's,Christians ...fir people with so much power ..how have we had this administration and Congress fir five years..it makes no sense to be afraid of that IMO
But I'll look for that history.
Having a small surgery tomorrow ..So be busy .
whe Cloward Pivin agenda was enacted since the Sixties leading to bigger government..And now,we have it..
Sadly, you haven't realized I don't dismiss or discount the human embryo or fetus that dies during induced abortion. Sadly, saving both is not always an option. That goes for elective, early term pregnancies as well. The majority of induced abortion takes place around the 8th gestational week. And, it should warm your heart to know that now a days, late term abortions comprise less than 2% of all abortions. And are usually those medical emergencies you say are an exception. That number is found in the CDC link.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying about the Democratic President and Republican Congress. Ideally, there would be balance. But Congress has balked several times. Apparently it's been too focused on fetuses to show any real concern about issues affecting all American citizens.

Good luck with your surgery tomorrow. Hope all goes well for you.
Katie

Federal Way, WA

#301179 Jun 18, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>

And our conversation which it's too late and you can read back please if you like was the I R S going after the tea party and pro Israel groups...It's, against the law but it's ok because it's,against people we don't like..that's been my theme anyway and we need to be very careful in fighting this.
Rose, beg to differ. Our conversation was about the Religious Right's role behind the scenes of politicians, lawyers, physicians, universities, and their work of dismantling American programs (like Medicare and Medicaid, Social Security). The conversation didn't get that far because you bypassed an excerpt provided for you and went into this talk you mention above. Imo, you are spreading Religious Right propaganda without having all the facts.

“Truly Pro-Life”

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#301180 Jun 18, 2013
Men (especially Republican men) seem befuddled (or in denial) by women's intractability on the issue. Speaking at the Faith and Freedom Coalition conference last weekend, American Values president Gary Bauer insisted, "The social issues we believe in are more popular than the Republican economic agenda." At best, they assume arguments about abortion to be a "distraction" from the obvious top priority, the economy. This week, moderate Republican congressman Charlie Dent of Pennsylvania expressed exasperation with the House leadership's decision to bring to the floor a bill a federal ban on abortions 20 weeks after conception:

"I'll be very frank: I discouraged our leadership from bringing this to a vote on the floor Clearly the economy is on everyone's minds, we're seeing very stagnant job numbers, confidence in the institution of government is eroding and now we're going to have a debate on rape and abortion. The stupidity is simply staggering."

Well, he's not wrong about the stupidity, but his argument explains it: women understand that reproductive rights are an economic issue.

Whether you're for or against a woman's right to choose, to discuss it as "social issue" is to buy into talking points that haven't changed since the turn of the last century and these arguments find traction. Anti-choice gains in limiting access may face uphill legal battles, but that doesn't change the fact that conservatives keep successfully turning back the clock even as the country, on almost every other measure of civil liberty, moves relentless forward.

Prolife activists argue, ironically, that it's science that undergirds this retrograde motion: they hold up polls that show an decrease in support for abortion being "legal under any circumstances" and a rise in Americans identifying themselves as "prolife" with the rise of the "ultrasound generation". Cardinal Timothy Dolan, Archbishop of New York, wrote an open letter to that hypothetical contingent earlier this year:

"You have grown up with ultrasound technology that has opened a window into the womb, allowing us to glimpse preborn babies from the earliest weeks of gestation. You have seen your little brothers and sisters before they were born in these grainy videos and photographs pinned to the fridge."

Belief in the power of those images is so strong that pro-life legislators have rather famously sought to make viewing them mandatory for women seeking an abortion. But if those images are so powerful, how come it's the "transvaginal probe" laws that finally rallied mass awareness, and mass outrage, about just how dangerous to women's rights these laws are?

It may have to do with the word "transvaginal", sure, but I think it parallels the way Americans have to be pushed into a corner when it comes to distasteful outcomes. We have to be faced with the NSA reading our private emails to care about the balance of security and privacy. We have come to believe that marriage inequality is bigotry, not mild disapproval, and to reject discrimination. And we have to think about a doctor needlessly, and against her will, putting a wand in a woman's vagina to make her think twice about her right to do what she wants with her body, before realizing that there really is a war on women's legal ability to retain reproductive autonomy - we would never COMPEL a woman who wanted her pregnancy, to view an ultrasound if she, for instance, was disinterested in the gender of her fetus...like I was. No one ever suggested writing a law to MAKE me look, or even to HAVE that ultrasound done in the first place. The doctors had to have my consent to it, and get my signature on it, before I could receive it.

There is a steady, overwhelming majority of Americans who say that abortion should definitely be legal under some circumstances. And it was the so-called pro-life faction, who wanted big brother involved in our health care in the first place.

“Truly Pro-Life”

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#301181 Jun 18, 2013
Men (especially Republican men) seem befuddled (or in denial) by women's intractability on the issue of abortion. Speaking at the Faith and Freedom Coalition conference last weekend, American Values president Gary Bauer insisted, "The social issues we believe in are more popular than the Republican economic agenda." At best, they assume arguments about abortion to be a "distraction" from the obvious top priority, the economy.

This week, moderate Republican congressman Charlie Dent of Pennsylvania expressed exasperation with the House leadership's decision to bring to the floor a bill a federal ban on abortions 20 weeks after conception:

"I'll be very frank: I discouraged our leadership from bringing this to a vote on the floor Clearly the economy is on everyone's minds, we're seeing very stagnant job numbers, confidence in the institution of government is eroding and now we're going to have a debate on rape and abortion. The stupidity is simply staggering."

Well, he's not wrong about the stupidity, but his argument explains it: women understand that reproductive rights are an economic issue.

Whether you're for or against a woman's right to choose, to discuss it as "social issue" is to buy into talking points that haven't changed since the turn of the last century and these arguments find traction. Anti-choice gains in limiting access may face uphill legal battles, but that doesn't change the fact that conservatives keep successfully turning back the clock even as the country, on almost every other measure of civil liberty, moves relentless forward.

Prolife activists argue, ironically, that it's science that undergirds this retrograde motion: they hold up polls that show an decrease in support for abortion being "legal under any circumstances" and a rise in Americans identifying themselves as "prolife" with the rise of the "ultrasound generation". Cardinal Timothy Dolan, Archbishop of New York, wrote an open letter to that hypothetical contingent earlier this year:

"You have grown up with ultrasound technology that has opened a window into the womb, allowing us to glimpse preborn babies from the earliest weeks of gestation. You have seen your little brothers and sisters before they were born in these grainy videos and photographs pinned to the fridge."

Belief in the power of those images is so strong that pro-life legislators have rather famously sought to make viewing them mandatory for women seeking an abortion. But if those images are so powerful, how come it's the "transvaginal probe" laws that finally rallied mass awareness, and mass outrage, about just how dangerous to women's rights these laws are?

It may have to do with the word "transvaginal", sure, but I think it parallels the way Americans have to be pushed into a corner when it comes to distasteful outcomes. We have to be faced with the NSA reading our private emails to care about the balance of security and privacy. We have come to believe that marriage inequality is bigotry, not mild disapproval, and to reject discrimination. And we have to think about a doctor needlessly, and against her will, putting a wand in a woman's vagina to make her think twice about her right to do what she wants with her body, before realizing that there really is a war on women's legal ability to retain reproductive autonomy - we would never COMPEL a woman who wanted her pregnancy, to view an ultrasound if she, for instance, was disinterested in the gender of her fetus...like I was. No one ever suggested writing a law to MAKE me look, or even to HAVE that ultrasound done in the first place. The doctors had to have my consent to it, and get my signature on it, before I could receive it.

There is a steady, overwhelming majority of Americans who say that abortion should definitely be legal under some circumstances. And it was the so-called pro-life faction, who wanted big brother involved in our health care in the first place.

“Truly Pro-Life”

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#301183 Jun 18, 2013
Not sure what's going on, but I tried to post that three times before it showed up...so there may be yet another one popping in later...

Sorry, folks.

:(

“Truly Pro-Life”

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#301184 Jun 18, 2013
eyeswideopen wrote:
<quoted text>
Amen to this and woe to the left if Muslims take over if they think Christianity is so encumbersome!
Woe to a Muslim if he/she wants to offer prayer in school...Woe to Native Americans, who
eyeswideopen wrote:
<quoted text>
No Christian ever forced anyone to role-play as a christian.
What were the inquisitions, the Salem witch trials, the enforced 're-education' of Native American children, and the current freaking push to make your "god's" laws the law of the land all about, then, genius??

If 'dissenters' didn't 'role play as Christians', even as recently as 100 years ago, they were tortured, banished, or killed.

And the Congressional religious right in 2013, has just passed a bill requiring a ban on all abortions after 20 weeks, REGARDLESS of a woman's religious affiliation, the toxicity of her pregnancy, or the health of her fetus, in accordance with their belief that abortion is 'evil' and that late term abortions are the most 'evil' of all.

And you know it.

“Truly Pro-Life”

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#301185 Jun 18, 2013
oops-that should have read "Woe to Native Americans, who preferred their children to be raised with the religious beliefs and practices of the tribe, rather than Christianity."

My bad.
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Carlsbad, NM

#301187 Jun 19, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
Not everyone is frigid, dear heart.
<quoted text>
Frigit is being cold without affection.

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