Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

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Thousands of abortion opponents marched from the National Mall to the Supreme Court on Tuesday in their annual remembrance of the court's Roe v. Wade decision.
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Yes it happens, so do rape and incest cases, but if abortion was only for those three, the clinics would only run 1 month out of the year, tops. More like 2 weeks :(
Rare.
In other words, you're better with the concept of abortion, if you get to decide who can and cannot have one, than with the concept of leaving that decision up to every individual woman who becomes pregnant.

Just can't have those pesky wimminfolk making their own medical and health choices...they might decide to kill off ALL your seed...

Talk about paranoid.

The great majority of women gestate, keep, and raise our children, TO THIS DAY, and abortion has been legal for 40 years...so calm down. We're not men, you know.

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Her brain stem functioned. Her cortex liquefied, but her brain stem functioned. She aspirated her own saliva so often that her husband went to school to become a respiratory therapist. She went without oxygen almost 7 minutes, but the paramedics worked on her almost 45 minutes and brought back a heartbeat. Her husband pushed for medical miracles, but none were forthcoming. In fifteen years, she never had bedsore.
If a baby was born the same day Terri Schiavo suffered cardiac arrest, that baby would be old enough to learn to drive by the time her ALS was removed. What had Mrs. Schiavo accomplished in all those years on her own volition? And if she were so alive, why did she not get herself out of bed, walk down the hall, and get herself some food?
Really. Her husband was young and he loved her. He loved her as he battled for her rights to be upheld. He didn't treat her like a plastic dolly. He treated her like his and made sure her wishes were followed. Hers. Not her parents. Not his. Hers.
Well said. When the TS situation occurred, while Michael Schiavo was vilified, I was quite surprised to find out how much and how far he went to bat for Terri in the beginning. He totally provided her medical care, and he did an excellent job doing it, but it got to the point where he realized he, himself, could not provide the level of care she needed. I also believe it was that point when he realized that Terri, as he knew her prior to her accident, was not ever going to come back and perhaps the reason he didn't let her go when the accident occurred was based on selfish reasons because he loved her and had hope that she would regain full consciousness and make a full recovery. When he finally accepted that she was "gone", he knew she wouldn't have wanted to be kept alive like that and it was best to honor her wishes. It should be noted that all that occurred well before he was in a relationship with another woman. If he really didn't care about Terri, it would've been way easier to give her to her parents. I highly doubt he wanted her dead for monetary reasons. It's not like he was going to make out like a bandit when she passed away.

Anyways, one thing that case taught me was to create a living will and be very specific about what you'd like done in situations like that. If I was in such a situation and there was no hope for me to fully recover, I would not want to be kept alive via machine. Bring in my kinfolk, friends and dogs to say "goodbye" to me, give me my Last Rites, bring in the Mariachi's to play "El Mariachi Loco" as a send off and pull the plug.
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Katie wrote:
...he treated her like his wife...
I really get that..But he did get money..probably should NOT have kept her on ventilator as long as they did. Let her die naturally..way too long to be like that. BUT possible the lawsuit was a factor.

If they can ventilator me for s very short time and expect decent results..ok. But if not let me go ..family knows..put it in writing. Too bad she didn't

As I DID say..No good answer..The length of her starvation bothers me.
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Rose, you don't have to explain anything. Everyone, at least those with common sense, knows you're not Ladilulu or PupC. They haven't posted on here in a while. In fact, I was with Ladilulu yesterday as she's in town visiting for the weekend.
On an interesting note, Pope Francis canonized hundreds of new saints today, including those who are Mexican. My grandfather's godfather is a Blessed so I'm awaiting word to see if he became a saint today.
I hope you, and all the other ladies on here, have a great Mother's Day.:o)
Thanks Michele. Hope you did also..I think it's interesting and great on the blessed. WHERE does Pope John Paul's status lie. Figured he would be "fast tracked" along with Mother Theresa..if there is a fast track..

In the end its all good but the saints are far more numerous than those canonized. THEY are in heaven!!!

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Hope your day is ok as can be
On your post..do you really think a great percentage get abortions because of the risk..I know as regards to me.. I just wanted the problem to not be there..It was a really awful time and I imagine the risks were greater then. But risk was not on my radar until the end
One thing I will always be grateful for..they gave me a combo.. I was evidently awake ..But don't remember a thing. Nada..water broke..came in..woke up as far as I remember. Then they put me on a gun ward..It was as MERCIFUL as possible..so except for the ride to the hospital I wasn't afraid..Thank God..Think it was scopalomine..They even had me use a phony name..Luckily I didn't get a Scarlet Letter!!!
And today I had brunch so with that baby boy..
Guess that forms a lot of my opinions on here.
SERIOUSLY again hope you are well. GOD BLESS.
My day has been lovely, thank you. Your brunch sounds lovely too - how nice that you got to spend time with your family!!

Our experiences do form our opinions, and I really do understand that you would want that sort of outcome for every woman who gets pregnant. Your decision yielded a great outcome, in that your son was receptive to welcoming you back into his life. But I wish you could understand, that such a wonderful set of circumstances simply ISN'T the outcome for every pregnant woman, every pregnancy, or every born kid. And that, when abortion becomes more the province of the government, than of the individual, women who NEED an abortion, as I did, will eventually be denied one in the name of getting more votes for someone who will probably never need one.
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Yes, you're correct about leaving your parents and the two becomming one flesh, but why did he also push sooo hard to have her feeding tube removed? He prob did love her, but he had moved on with another woman. Her parents loved her, and wanted what they could get.
What part of "it wasn't ABOUT her parents" do you not get?
The guy had more of a motive, then carring out his dead wifes wishes.
Says who? And waht was that "motive" exactly?
Many hubbies want their wife dead, before they move on.
I'm sure that was true for you when you were fuckingaround on your wife, but in the REAL world, MOST "hubbies" dont want their wives dead.
She may have been braindead, but we have homes filled with these type of folks, but they still get fed.
Your sheer determination to hold on to your STUPIDITY is not only aggrivating but stupifying.

No we do NOT have homes full of "brain dead" people. NORMAL people allow their brain dead loved ones to pass on by removing their medical assistance and letting nature take its course.

Terri Schavo's parents counted on their brain dead daughter for their paycheck. They cared more about money than their child.

I truly hope this happens to you one day, so you will be forced to face REALITY. When you're faced with the REALITY of a brain dead realitive that COULD be kept on life support to no good end, you'll sing a different tune.

Actually - scratch that thought. I can't think of a more horrible fate for ANYONE than to have something like YOU or the shindlers as an end of life advocate.

Further I am happy that I will NEVER have a relative like you that could influence my life OR my death in any way.

Medicine can keep dead bodies functional for years, but that doesn't mean we SHOULD.
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Yes, you're correct about leaving your parents and the two becomming one flesh, but why did he also push sooo hard to have her feeding tube removed? He prob did love her, but he had moved on with another woman. Her parents loved her, and wanted what they could get. Not to mention what he choose to do with her remains, which was as well against her parents wishes.
The guy had more of a motive, then carring out his dead wifes wishes.
Many hubbies want their wife dead, before they move on.
True, I don't know his motives "heart", but again her heart was beating on its own, she breathed on her own. She may have been braindead, but we have homes filled with these type of folks, but they still get fed.
Most the info I have, is from a sermon I heard Dr. Phil Kidd from ms preach. He can be found on the net, and yes he is a very contraversal preacher. I believe this was one, in his "Angels of Death " cd.
You should read how he got saved.
I know it cannot be an easy decision to pull the plug, but I will inverstigate it another way. Something don't add up.
I think had she been black, and he white, the.naacp, jessie jack, al not so sharpton, and others would have been all over that thing. Also found in Kidds cd :) if you're interested. You've never heard any preacher like this guy.
He has an awsome testimony.
You seem overly fond of extremist nutjobs. Not that that's a surprise or anything. It explains a LOT about your appauling lack of education and willingness to be spoon fed drivel.
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After living ON HER OWN POWER for many years, only needing to be feed, kinda like babies, and many many many others, she was put in hospice -why?
BECAUSE SHE WAS BRAIN DEAD STUPID! Jesus FuckingChrist you fool. WAKE UP!
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Well said. When the TS situation occurred, while Michael Schiavo was vilified, I was quite surprised to find out how much and how far he went to bat for Terri in the beginning. He totally provided her medical care, and he did an excellent job doing it, but it got to the point where he realized he, himself, could not provide the level of care she needed. I also believe it was that point when he realized that Terri, as he knew her prior to her accident, was not ever going to come back and perhaps the reason he didn't let her go when the accident occurred was based on selfish reasons because he loved her and had hope that she would regain full consciousness and make a full recovery. When he finally accepted that she was "gone", he knew she wouldn't have wanted to be kept alive like that and it was best to honor her wishes. It should be noted that all that occurred well before he was in a relationship with another woman. If he really didn't care about Terri, it would've been way easier to give her to her parents. I highly doubt he wanted her dead for monetary reasons. It's not like he was going to make out like a bandit when she passed away.
Anyways, one thing that case taught me was to create a living will and be very specific about what you'd like done in situations like that. If I was in such a situation and there was no hope for me to fully recover, I would not want to be kept alive via machine. Bring in my kinfolk, friends and dogs to say "goodbye" to me, give me my Last Rites, bring in the Mariachi's to play "El Mariachi Loco" as a send off and pull the plug.
Well said, too. Agree with your points, too, Michelle. The lawsuit money was for Terri's care, not for him. And had he wanted it for himself, he legally could've withheld treatment the very next time she aspirated or got an infection or he could've removed the ALS and gotten a big chunk of the balance. He didn't do that, though. And the money -- meant for her care -- went to paying court costs. Thanks to his in-laws.

As for your own send off, I'd imagine there'd be some crazyfun partying going on in your room with everyone participating!!

Happy Mother's Day to you and to all the mothers here :)
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I really get that..But he did get money..probably should NOT have kept her on ventilator as long as they did. Let her die naturally..way too long to be like that. BUT possible the lawsuit was a factor.
If they can ventilator me for s very short time and expect decent results..ok. But if not let me go ..family knows..put it in writing. Too bad she didn't
As I DID say..No good answer..The length of her starvation bothers me.
She didn't starve. She dehydrated.

It took so long because her body had been well taken care of. But the spark that made Terri, Terri, had dimmed. She still lived because her brain stem functioned.

Brain death includes total brain - both cortex and brain stem. We need both to function properly to be truly alive. Upon her autopsy, it was learned she was completely blind. The optical area of her brain was liquid.

autopsy results reported
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...

As an aside, while this was actively in the news, I learned Mrs. Schiavo had been prescribed a medication (i think for allergies, not sure) that eventually was yanked off the shelves for causing cardiac arrest. This medication was pulled following Mr. Schiavo's lawsuit on Terri's behalf. To me, it make sense to think this medication may've factored into Mrs. Schiavo's collapse. But we will never know. Not definitively.
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<quoted text>My day has been lovely, thank you. Your brunch sounds lovely too - how nice that you got to spend time with your family!!
Our experiences do form our opinions, and I really do understand that you would want that sort of outcome for every woman who gets pregnant. Your decision yielded a great outcome, in that your son was receptive to welcoming you back into his life. But I wish you could understand, that such a wonderful set of circumstances simply ISN'T the outcome for every pregnant woman, every pregnancy, or every born kid. And that, when abortion becomes more the province of the government, than of the individual, women who NEED an abortion, as I did, will eventually be denied one in the name of getting more votes for someone who will probably never need one.
Glad you had a good day. And you are right..all of our experiences are different.
And totally understand you did what I am sure was not easy for you.
I don't think all women take it lightly..But the only 2 women That I know who had them..8 between them..one of them is like family to me..
THEY BOTH KNEW ABOUT BC but didn't use it. One tried "pulling out" said BC made her fat..she has great depression problems and I know some of it has to do with the abortions. I tried to get her counselling before..try to get her to stay on BC now..we don't discuss the abortion..she can't even say the word..And she knows I don't love her any less..
MY big thing is that abortion is becoming too much the norm with no incentives to make it rare. I POSTED EARLIER THAT if women's groups took up that cause..RARITY as they have others.. without changing any law ...No rights violated.. would probably cut the numbers of elective abortions in half..
And have less STDS. IF the politic for this kind of change were there..And the business of abortion was not political..we would have PSA s on the scale of smoking ones. They did a few on STDS. But never once that I heard brought out to women..That abortion is a medical procedure that may not be necessary if prevention is used..THAT hooking up is unhealthy indiscriminately and not safe.

When this country embraces a CAUSE..they get results..And every unplanned pregnancy that does NOT happen is a GOOD cause..IMO

Sorry to be on the old soapbox..THERE ARE way too many elective abortions for where we are now in the 21 century..again IMO.

AGAIN glad you had a good day..God bless.
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I really get that..But he did get money..probably should NOT have kept her on ventilator as long as they did. Let her die naturally..way too long to be like that. BUT possible the lawsuit was a factor.
If they can ventilator me for s very short time and expect decent results..ok. But if not let me go ..family knows..put it in writing. Too bad she didn't
As I DID say..No good answer..The length of her starvation bothers me.
So, you are for Euthanasia, you are not pro life at all. Do you know what Christ said about the most vulnerable? What ever you do to the least of your brother, you do to Me ...so in other words you are putting Christ to death. Every life is important, from conception to natural death.
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She didn't starve. She dehydrated.
It took so long because her body had been well taken care of. But the spark that made Terri, Terri, had dimmed. She still lived because her brain stem functioned.
Brain death includes total brain - both cortex and brain stem. We need both to function properly to be truly alive. Upon her autopsy, it was learned she was completely blind. The optical area of her brain was liquid.
autopsy results reported
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...
As an aside, while this was actively in the news, I learned Mrs. Schiavo had been prescribed a medication (i think for allergies, not sure) that eventually was yanked off the shelves for causing cardiac arrest. This medication was pulled following Mr. Schiavo's lawsuit on Terri's behalf. To me, it make sense to think this medication may've factored into Mrs. Schiavo's collapse. But we will never know. Not definitively.
she went without food for how long? She starved.
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I really get that..But he did get money..
Really? What money did he get? Be specific please.
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<quoted text>So, you are for Euthanasia, you are not pro life at all. Do you know what Christ said about the most vulnerable? What ever you do to the least of your brother, you do to Me ...so in other words you are putting Christ to death. Every life is important, from conception to natural death.
I am not for euthanasia.. I didn't say kill anyone...

if someone is being kept alive by machine breathing and is otherwise gone. IT COULD BE ARGUED That the machine is thwarting God's will. I have spent time with these people ..not too many. Thank God..watching them flat line the brain waves. One poor man I had this feeling that his soul could not wait to be set free.

As for myself.I do not want to be kept alive for any lengthy time if I am not getting better and a machine is breathing for me. Let me go NATURALLY. YUP
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Really? What money did he get? Be specific please.
Look up the lawsuit. 250 k and 750 in trust after lawyers..(2 mill judgement)

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He "moved on" YEARS after terri went into her PVS. Her parents kept legally blocking his right to guardianship, even though they could not take care of her themselves and had no medical evidence to the contrary. Then politicians got involved; Santorum watched a video of her and declared her to be fine, and jeb bush actually got a statute passed to prevent removing the tube. The statute was unconstitutional as hell and got tossed almost immediately.

He was trying to stop the charade of "treatment"--treatme nt is given in hope of causing improvement, and there wasn't going to be any. He was also trying to fulfill her wishes; she said at one time she didn't want to be kept alive under such circumstances.

By the time terri died, her parents were lucky they weren't in frigging jail.

Dementia is NOT the same as brain death. Arguing that it is only shows your resistance to researching facts.

Dr phil kidd isn't a medical authority, and should keep his ignorant mouth shut. Unless how he got saved includes 12 years of medical school with a neurological concentration, I don't really care.
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Yes, you're correct about leaving your parents and the two becomming one flesh, but why did he also push sooo hard to have her feeding tube removed? He prob did love her, but he had moved on with another woman. Her parents loved her, and wanted what they could get. Not to mention what he choose to do with her remains, which was as well against her parents wishes.
The guy had more of a motive, then carring out his dead wifes wishes.
Many hubbies want their wife dead, before they move on.
True, I don't know his motives "heart", but again her heart was beating on its own, she breathed on her own. She may have been braindead, but we have homes filled with these type of folks, but they still get fed.
Most the info I have, is from a sermon I heard Dr. Phil Kidd from ms preach. He can be found on the net, and yes he is a very contraversal preacher. I believe this was one, in his "Angels of Death " cd.
You should read how he got saved.
I know it cannot be an easy decision to pull the plug, but I will inverstigate it another way. Something don't add up.
I think had she been black, and he white, the.naacp, jessie jack, al not so sharpton, and others would have been all over that thing. Also found in Kidds cd :) if you're interested. You've never heard any preacher like this guy.
He has an awsome testimony.

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F*cking BS. People can be in hospice for years; they can be admitted even when time of death cannot be presumed. Hospice care is for those who WILL die, but there is no time limit. He ordered all artificial preservation mens terminated becuse she wasn'r GOING to get better. There is no respect in keeping a body alive for your own emotional comfort.
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After living ON HER OWN POWER for many years, only needing to be feed, kinda like babies, and many many many others, she was put in hospice -why?
Folks don't get put into hospice unless doc feels they have less then 6 months in most cases.
Her hubby stopped all help, and wanted her dead. It seems both sides have came out ok, with book deals.
I still feel it is like abortion.
You have respect for human life, or you don't.
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She didn't starve. She dehydrated.
It took so long because her body had been well taken care of. But the spark that made Terri, Terri, had dimmed. She still lived because her brain stem functioned.
Brain death includes total brain - both cortex and brain stem. We need both to function properly to be truly alive. Upon her autopsy, it was learned she was completely blind. The optical area of her brain was liquid.
autopsy results reported
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...
As an aside, while this was actively in the news, I learned Mrs. Schiavo had been prescribed a medication (i think for allergies, not sure) that eventually was yanked off the shelves for causing cardiac arrest. This medication was pulled following Mr. Schiavo's lawsuit on Terri's behalf. To me, it make sense to think this medication may've factored into Mrs. Schiavo's collapse. But we will never know. Not definitively.
True we never will. And if he did all those things he was at that time acting for her. But even the court appointed guardian was against the tube pulling because the money might be a factor..so it says .

Anyway maybe if when she was totally on life support..if that was truly her wish..he should have let her go..even BEFORE the lawsuit. Did he need her alive for that..Wedding..But if she truly wanted no heroics..NO ARTIFICIAL as he only asserted years later..Than cherished should have been followed. Forget had let things take their course earlier..there certainly would have been less sufferinG for all..
And if at the beginning she did or did not breathe on her own..That would have been before her brain liquefied..as I posted before that is gross and usually VERY obvious...in MY experience first hand.(one of my earlier posts this morning)

Hope you had a great moms day
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<quoted text>Not to mention his strong aversion to intelligence and common sense.
I noticed he claimed his wife was "simple".
I wonder if she would be "simple" enough to be offended at being called "simple".
Of course, one would HAVE to be "simple" to put up with such stupidity as he shows.
My wife refers to herself as simple, easy to please, very gracious, and a great wife. Turns out I'm a pretty fair husband :)

I know who you are, when people write you can clearly see. The name fools only yourself.

I now treat my wife with the respect she deserves.
thanks be to God, she has been married to two men.

The lost me, and the saved me.

She likes the saved me much better. Not perfect and won't be, as long as I'm in this body, but even this body will be made perfect one day :)

Again, thanks be to God.

I fully realize I could be on my 6 th marriage, like a friend of mine, and I don't look down my long nose on those who have been divorced. I also don't look down on those who have had an abortion. We can never go back and erase our screwups, but call Sin Sin, and stop making excuses for your sins, if it is wrong it is wrong. Allowing Anyone to starve to death, after 13 days, is just plain wrong, but I don't expect you to believe that.

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