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Gtown71

United States

#295716 May 12, 2013
Bit-O-Honey wrote:
<quoted text>Not to mention his strong aversion to intelligence and common sense.
I noticed he claimed his wife was "simple".
I wonder if she would be "simple" enough to be offended at being called "simple".
Of course, one would HAVE to be "simple" to put up with such stupidity as he shows.
My wife refers to herself as simple, easy to please, very gracious, and a great wife. Turns out I'm a pretty fair husband :)

I know who you are, when people write you can clearly see. The name fools only yourself.

I now treat my wife with the respect she deserves.
thanks be to God, she has been married to two men.

The lost me, and the saved me.

She likes the saved me much better. Not perfect and won't be, as long as I'm in this body, but even this body will be made perfect one day :)

Again, thanks be to God.

I fully realize I could be on my 6 th marriage, like a friend of mine, and I don't look down my long nose on those who have been divorced. I also don't look down on those who have had an abortion. We can never go back and erase our screwups, but call Sin Sin, and stop making excuses for your sins, if it is wrong it is wrong. Allowing Anyone to starve to death, after 13 days, is just plain wrong, but I don't expect you to believe that.
Gtown71

United States

#295717 May 12, 2013
Bit-O-Honey wrote:
<quoted text> And now many of THEM dont have living wills, were effectively abandoned by familiy, and dont have the ability anymore to stop ANH?
Do you even KNOW what ANH is? I doubt it.
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@@ "Give her back"? WTF? She wasn't an object to be passed around you IDIOT. Her husband did NOT move on, he was there for everything. She was BRAIN DEAD. What part of that do you not grasp?
She was brain dead for years BEFORE he started to move on with his life in ANY meaningful way. He knew through discussions with her that she wouldn't have wanted to be kept alive taht way, and CERTAINLY didn't want to be used as a political football by her fuckedup parents.
Who the hell are you kidding? Or are you REALLY this stupid?
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Why? Its not like you learn anything. You ignore everything you dont want to hear, no matter HOW factual it is.
You were a drop out I'll bet.
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You truly are stupid. No slippery slope. NOTHING happened to her that doesn't happen to thousands every week in this country. Its called "refusing life sustaining medical treatment".
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Oh STFU you stupid thing. If he DIDNT care, he would have abandoned her, and he certainly did NOT.
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It wasn't ABOUT her parents you ass. It was about HER and what SHE wanted.
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Funny, I pray I do have EXACTLY that kind of son-in-law. I'd rather have him that stands up for what he believes in than something like YOU, a disgusting POS. If my child ever took up with somethng like you, I'd disown them.
<quoted text>
More like they didn't want to lose their gravy train. They expolited her and made money from idiots like you without her permission. But I suppose THATS okay with you huh? They had to make a living too, right?
<quoted text>
She wasn't IN a coma dumbass. She was brain dead.
Follow the money on this one. Not truly sure if any truly cared for her, but if they breath on their own, have their own heart beat, and only need feeding, it is murder.

Whether you like it or not.
rosesz

Ireland

#295718 May 12, 2013
Now here is a Catch 22 I...think the peaceful way pets are put down is good.
I TRUST MY CHILD with my life.
I DO NOT WANT to be a vegetable.
BUT I could not want her to be responsible ACTIVELY for my death..That would be sin for both of us

BUT if we ALLOW ACTIVE LIFE ENDING. Families will put down loved ones maybe too early..if we keep going as we are it may be a moot point..the government may decide..

SO EUTHANASIA IS WRONG..STOPPING a ventilator..or not doing a surgery or resuscitation in P V S IS NOT.
BUT each case is different

“Truly Pro-Life”

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#295719 May 12, 2013
rosesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Glad you had a good day. And you are right..all of our experiences are different.
And totally understand you did what I am sure was not easy for you.
I don't think all women take it lightly..But the only 2 women That I know who had them..8 between them..one of them is like family to me..
THEY BOTH KNEW ABOUT BC but didn't use it. One tried "pulling out" said BC made her fat..she has great depression problems and I know some of it has to do with the abortions. I tried to get her counselling before..try to get her to stay on BC now..we don't discuss the abortion..she can't even say the word..And she knows I don't love her any less..
MY big thing is that abortion is becoming too much the norm with no incentives to make it rare. I POSTED EARLIER THAT if women's groups took up that cause..RARITY as they have others.. without changing any law ...No rights violated.. would probably cut the numbers of elective abortions in half..
And have less STDS. IF the politic for this kind of change were there..And the business of abortion was not political..we would have PSA s on the scale of smoking ones. They did a few on STDS. But never once that I heard brought out to women..That abortion is a medical procedure that may not be necessary if prevention is used..THAT hooking up is unhealthy indiscriminately and not safe.
When this country embraces a CAUSE..they get results..And every unplanned pregnancy that does NOT happen is a GOOD cause..IMO
Sorry to be on the old soapbox..THERE ARE way too many elective abortions for where we are now in the 21 century..again IMO.
AGAIN glad you had a good day..God bless.
What incentives would you suggest?

Seriously, the only one which works, at least so far, is the safety net so-called 'conservatives'(among whom the majority profess to be 'pro-life') yowl and holler about the live-long day - the fact that there ARE programs out there which help families pay for the day-to-day expenses of raising children, I'm sure, keeps some women from aborting, and opting to push out another kid every year.

And then the 'conservatives' bitch about that too.

Got any other ideas (other than taking away the legal option to end a pregnancy, that is?)

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#295720 May 12, 2013
I'm really tired of educating you for free.

Brain death affects the upper brain--consciousness, thought, etc. What you are referring to are autonomic responses, ruled by the medula. The upper brain can be dead without stopping the medulla from functioning. Breathing, circulation, digestion, etc, are not upper-brain functions.

All settlement money he received went to her care. The accounting was done years ago.

Keeping her body going wasn't letting her live; it was denial of reality.
rosesz wrote:
<quoted text>
If she was truly brain dead..she would have been on a ventilator some point. No question as she wouldn't have the function to breathe.
The thing is..if she,was so damaged she probably had been on one..at first..And taken off. IF THAT WAS THE CASE..sounds like she was breathing on her own..so still had some brain function.
I am all for no heroics..But starving to death for a week..sounds cruel to me.
Don't know what the financials were..Think there was money involved for him..some settlement rings a bell...And he had to use it for her while she lived.(not sure on this at all)
Anyway..if it was not for monetary reasons..he could have just divorced her in order to move on and make a deal parents or organizations for life would pay for her care..he could then have gotten married.
In other words wash his hands of her and any money if there was some.
And leave it to those who.wanted her to live.
Just a thought
Gtown71

United States

#295721 May 12, 2013
Bit-O-Honey wrote:
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You're lying. No hospital, hospice OR nursing home would allow that. They would be banned from seeing him.
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You DO understand that she hadn't "eaten" in over a decade, right?
You seem to think that she was munching down on cheezeburgers and chicken and it was being held back from you. You are dumber than dirt.
I must admit its funny when you and your kind continue to mouth off when you CLEARLY have ZERO idea what the hell you're talking about.
It happened about 8 years ago in a nursing home in mempis tn. I watched this old woman and her daughter give the man jello, and thought they knew what they were doing. The note above bed said no solid foods, and I didn't know any different, but the man started to asperate and when the nurse came in, she asked what was his code? The wife said, what do you mean??? Is he dying, and the nurse said yes! She said please save him!?! They were all crying, well wife and 60 yo daughter, but I was on the other side of the room, waiting for another man to dye.

My story is true, whether you want to believe it or not :)
Gtown71

United States

#295722 May 12, 2013
Katie wrote:
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Her brain stem functioned. Her cortex liquefied, but her brain stem functioned. She aspirated her own saliva so often that her husband went to school to become a respiratory therapist. She went without oxygen almost 7 minutes, but the paramedics worked on her almost 45 minutes and brought back a heartbeat. Her husband pushed for medical miracles, but none were forthcoming. In fifteen years, she never had bedsore.
If a baby was born the same day Terri Schiavo suffered cardiac arrest, that baby would be old enough to learn to drive by the time her ALS was removed. What had Mrs. Schiavo accomplished in all those years on her own volition? And if she were so alive, why did she not get herself out of bed, walk down the hall, and get herself some food?
Really. Her husband was young and he loved her. He loved her as he battled for her rights to be upheld. He didn't treat her like a plastic dolly. He treated her like his and made sure her wishes were followed. Hers. Not her parents. Not his. Hers.
He was shacked up with another woman. He could've divorced her, and her parents and brother could have took over. She was worth way more to him dead.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#295723 May 12, 2013
The original settlement portion went to him regardless of medical status; the majority of it went to her care as well. The settlement ran out long before he tried to put her to rest.

She was a little big to incubate...I think you meant "intubate." (damn madame kindle...) She had a feeding tube. She had no consciousness; she could not suffer.
rosesz wrote:
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Ok my memory not totally shot. There was money involved. SOME he got and rest in trust for her care. If he divorced her ..No money..if she lived ate up the trust money. If parents took over they would be able to use trust money for her care.
And she had been incubated as I thought but then was breathing on her own..PCS.BUT not brain dead..
Hubby got some money from suit outright..Should have faded stage left..IMO.
PERSONALLY. I don't want to live on a ventilator..But she wasn't..And I am quite sure I don't want to be starved for almost 2 weeks it appears.
No good answer. And thankfully it's over
Mar 18_31
It is different from your situation.again IMO FROM what I know from my former occupation
rosesz

Ireland

#295724 May 12, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>What incentives would you suggest?
Seriously, the only one which works, at least so far, is the safety net so-called 'conservatives'(among whom the majority profess to be 'pro-life') yowl and holler about the live-long day - the fact that there ARE programs out there which help families pay for the day-to-day expenses of raising children, I'm sure, keeps some women from aborting, and opting to push out another kid every year.
And then the 'conservatives' bitch about that too.
Got any other ideas (other than taking away the legal option to end a pregnancy, that is?)
maybe I wasn't clear..Lol.probably.

POLITICAL INCENTIVE to actually make abortion RARE. From the PC side.
THE stuff I said about PSA s specifically telling girls that indiscriminate lookups are not in THEIR interest. TELLING BITH about STDS. AND TELLING WOMEN birth control beats abortion by a long shot.

There was a lot of political and social incentive to get abortion legal. Use that same capital to promote knowledge ..The internet is a good place to start..And TV. CABLE AND LATE EVENING TV..

But because of whatever reason. the incentive is Not there to discourage pregnancies..then no need for abortion.

But abortion has become a huge business and political industry.

The PL side can PRAY and post and even rant..That will never cut the number of abortions..

THE PC POLS could make an atmosphere to actually make abortion more rare.

And yes adoption could be promoted for sure..on both sides.
BUT getting the women NOT to be preggers is the biggest thing.

IMHO
Gtown71

United States

#295725 May 12, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
He "moved on" YEARS after terri went into her PVS. Her parents kept legally blocking his right to guardianship, even though they could not take care of her themselves and had no medical evidence to the contrary. Then politicians got involved; Santorum watched a video of her and declared her to be fine, and jeb bush actually got a statute passed to prevent removing the tube. The statute was unconstitutional as hell and got tossed almost immediately.
He was trying to stop the charade of "treatment"--treatme nt is given in hope of causing improvement, and there wasn't going to be any. He was also trying to fulfill her wishes; she said at one time she didn't want to be kept alive under such circumstances.
By the time terri died, her parents were lucky they weren't in frigging jail.
Dementia is NOT the same as brain death. Arguing that it is only shows your resistance to researching facts.
Dr phil kidd isn't a medical authority, and should keep his ignorant mouth shut. Unless how he got saved includes 12 years of medical school with a neurological concentration, I don't really care.
<quoted text>
I don't think this deal was easy on anyone involved, and notice the only ones that heard her say she didn't want to be on ls, was hubby?

You act like his "in laws " were just a pain in his side. THEY WERE HER MOM AND DAD..
DID IT EVER ACCURE TO YOU THAT PERHAPS THEY LOVED HER,??? PROB NOT!
rosesz

Ireland

#295726 May 12, 2013
And before anyone squeaks. I believe strongly in prayer. Maybe our prayers should be not fir chaos but for the changing of hearts and minds.

GOD can do anything. HE has given us free will.We live in This world as it is.
rosesz

Ireland

#295727 May 12, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
The original settlement portion went to him regardless of medical status; the majority of it went to her care as well. The settlement ran out long before he tried to put her to rest.
She was a little big to incubate...I think you meant "intubate." (damn madame kindle...) She had a feeding tube. She had no consciousness; she could not suffer.
<quoted text>
Well even with minimal brain activity..she can react to discomfort and pain..And . Yes intubate.(Sigh)

Read my other post to Katie I think.

If this was her wish and if she was really in danger maybe at the beginning they should have ended the heroics. She would have lived or died..sounds like died without surgeries Tec long before the mess.
AND BEFORE the lawsuit..Maybe..IMHO

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#295728 May 12, 2013
Rose--I edited out the 1st sentence when I saw it wasn't gtown. Don't know why it latched back on....
cpeter1313 wrote:
I'm really tired of educating you for free.
Brain death affects the upper brain--consciousness, thought, etc. What you are referring to are autonomic responses, ruled by the medula. The upper brain can be dead without stopping the medulla from functioning. Breathing, circulation, digestion, etc, are not upper-brain functions.
All settlement money he received went to her care. The accounting was done years ago.
Keeping her body going wasn't letting her live; it was denial of reality.
<quoted text>
Bit-O-Honey

Mooresville, NC

#295729 May 12, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
<quoted text>
Follow the money on this one.
That leads to the parents who whored her out for their OWN paychecks.
Not truly sure if any truly cared for her, but if they breath on their own, have their own heart beat, and only need feeding, it is murder.
Whether you like it or not.
No Oh Stupid One. It is not. In our country, we have a right to refuse medcial treatment (ANH in Terri's case - surgically implanted and machine maintained) and be allowed to die naturally. It is not murder.

Much as you would LIKE it to be, fortunately for the rest of us, your delusions are NOT reality.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#295730 May 12, 2013
That's what couples do, they often talk about things they won't with others. Many younger people don't mention such things at all except in passing after a situation comes up in the news or in the media.

HE was her guardian and had primary kinship. That's what civil marriage includes. And they were a pain in his side after years of litigation. They probably did love her; love isn't all there is in such situations.
Gtown71 wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't think this deal was easy on anyone involved, and notice the only ones that heard her say she didn't want to be on ls, was hubby?
You act like his "in laws " were just a pain in his side. THEY WERE HER MOM AND DAD..
DID IT EVER ACCURE TO YOU THAT PERHAPS THEY LOVED HER,??? PROB NOT!

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#295731 May 12, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
<quoted text>
I must just say I strongly disagree with you, and maybe it was about 13 days, but either way she was breathing on her own. Heart beating on its own. They removed feeding tube, and she starved to death, but HAPPY MOTHERS DAY MOM :)
you're my new mommy on topix :)
She died from dehydration not starvation.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#295732 May 12, 2013
rosesz wrote:
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RAZZ. I AM ROSE. REALLY..
WHY would I use the name..Who cares.
Anyway they are sincere in trying to help women. I think it's wrong but this is a forum.
As for the typing. I TRY VERY HARD. But lol. Have you read some of my posts. But thanks for seeing an improvement
GOD BLESS and hope you have a good Mothers Day
Rose, the Knut is going to spout her nonsense no matter what you say, you dont have to prove anything to anyone, CERTAINLY not to the likes of her.

None of us think you're anyone but who you are - Rose AKA Madame Kindle <<<grin>>>. Let the Knut ramble and dont let it bother you. She only makes a fool of herself with that garbage.
Gtown71

United States

#295733 May 12, 2013
rosesz wrote:
And before anyone squeaks. I believe strongly in prayer. Maybe our prayers should be not fir chaos but for the changing of hearts and minds.
GOD can do anything. HE has given us free will.We live in This world as it is.
I like your idea, think I'll go that route a while :)

As you say peace.
Gtown71

United States

#295734 May 12, 2013
AyakaNeo wrote:
<quoted text>She died from dehydration not starvation.
Good, I feel better now. Instead of starving to death, she thirst to death.

Implanting Roses idea now!
As she says peace :)
rosesz

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#295735 May 12, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
I'm really tired of educating you for free.
Brain death affects the upper brain--consciousness, thought, etc. What you are referring to are autonomic responses, ruled by the medula. The upper brain can be dead without stopping the medulla from functioning. Breathing, circulation, digestion, etc, are not upper-brain functions.
All settlement money he received went to her care. The accounting was done years ago.
Keeping her body going wasn't letting her live; it was denial of reality.
<quoted text>
In brain death..if you take a person off life support..they USUSLLY do noy breathe.. since helping determine this was part of my job st a time when criteria were much mire stringent..we did everything ed could yo make sure they were gone. They may have had muscle spasms but no continuous movement ..we did this twice st least 24 hours apart because of possible barbituates affecting gge test. We turned the amplitude way up..2 flat lines ..meant the docs could disconnect along with other criteria. Every case We did ..they expired...if they flat lined. On the one case where it was several days he was actually auctioning our dead matter thrum his NG tube and ghd room reeked if decay. HIS BRAIN and probably other parts was liquefied..
Some cases the death is instant. Some longer but not years with brain death..

What I said was TERRY was on life support ventilation when she came in so it says.. They should have disconnected her sooner and let life take its course. She supposedly wanted this
Not years in limbo..Had this happened before all her CARE..she mist likely would have died when disconnected.. we don't know how long they kept her on it..Again supposedly against her wishes.

SORRY you feel your free education is wasted Cpterr..but I know a bit about this.

I know she had no future..but just maybe everyone involved could have decided all this YEARS before money was ar stake.
I know my typing sucks but I am actually arguing on both sides of this ..If she wanted NO HEROICS..then don t do them if she is critical. THRY knew her prognosis early on if she was that bad.

My only point is that starvation is a Bsd way to go and from all accounts this evoke mess could have Bern avoiddd

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