Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

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Thousands of abortion opponents marched from the National Mall to the Supreme Court on Tuesday in their annual remembrance of the court's Roe v. Wade decision.
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CPeter, have I told you how much I love thee? ROFLMAO!! ;o)
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I have answered your questions. I think faith kn a set of theories like a big bang takes more faith than I have to give.
It takes understanding that the scientists who have developed those theories are so much smarter and better educated than you that you have no business denying them. There is no difference between accepting the recommendation of a medical specialist for treatment and accepting the conclusions of astrophysicists and biologists. You don't even understand the theories and you don't want to understand them. You want to cling to your silly beliefs.
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I know that God created the earth.
No you don't. You can't know that. You believe it. To bastardize the word "knowledge" with your childish beliefs is wrong.
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<It makes mord sense and even skne secularists believe there is intelligent design.
You think it makes sense because you don't understand the science, so you retreat to your beliefs.
No there aren't. Intelligent design is a religious belief; only religious people think it has any merit.
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Not all scientists do not believe in Creation.
Computer scientists? Maybe. But virtually all the top evolutionary biologists and astrophysicists are atheist.
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<. As I said before some great names believed.
I will side with some of them..
So you were too lazy to look the logical fallacy of the argument from authority and choose to remain ignorant. Got it.

See, you think you can just deny facts like evolution and say you have faith. In order to be taken seriously you have to actually offer a refutation of the data and studies; not only that, you have to offer an alternative theory that adds to and improves on the existing one while also explaining everything the current theory does. Even if the theory of evolution by natural selection were shown to be wrong, the empirical facts of evolution would remain. The alternative wouldn't be goddidit. It would be another scientific theory. You'd get hung up on sharpening the pencil.

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But 293958 is hidden... Wonder whose that is?
That one is definitely hidden. Don't know what's going on.
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Not at all. But is extraordinarily rare for someone to be an expert in a scientific discipline without the advanced degrees that go along with substantial, focused education. Would you let "Dr" Hovind perform brain surgery on you just because he is smart?
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One, that is false. You said "any public school kids" meaning that you have the knowledge that a few rug rats in your trailer park are smarter than any public school kid anywhere. Interesting claim. Two, that is irrelevant to the discussion.
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Stop drinking.
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WTF is 'faith science'?
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But scientists don't say "we believe'. They say "Based on the observed evidence and extensive testing we have concluded that the theory of evolution by natural selection is the best explanation for the fact of evolution". On, evolution didn't just happen 'long ago and far away', is happens every day.
My fitst place was a trailer.
I now live very nice in a 4 bed 3 bath home that's about 2,500 sq. Ft. Along with the 3 car garage, large outdoor shed, with about 6 acres of land including a fully stocked 1 acre pond.

My home is very nice and something I used to be proud of just me and my wife.

After my "night with God " I found myself ashamed of such a waste. After all how many bathroom and bedrooms can you use at once?

It made me want to use it for the glory of God, which led me to be a foster parent years ago.
Since then, and after being with my wife over 20 years "by Gods grace " He has blessed me with a little girl. She just turned 6 :)

Are you implying those who live in a trailer park are not smart? I know the answer, you were being funny, and I like funny. I to can be funny :)

Based on how I used to say Gods name in vain daily, alone with all the trimmings, drank, drugs, brawling, cheat, lie, steal, whatever was unGodly I loved, and having all of that change overnight "no not anywhere near perfect ",but my "core" was changed, I.now fully believe in God.

See how I did that? I took what I observed in lab like conditions and based an educated geuss.

God is as real to me now after 12 years as my next breath.

All He has helped me overcome was simply a bonus, but the saving of my soul was what really happened that night.:)

Many true born again christians get back into.old habits, and you can see some and not know they are a child of God at all, BUT GOD looks on the heart of man.

Many lost people can act or behave much much better then some who are Heaven bound. It shouldn't be that way, but it is.

Cease thinking what you think is right, and just agree with God.:)

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Lol..are you saying Im older ..Guilty..
No, I didn't mean YOU in particular, more like the "royal" you or "we" as the case may be.

Older men and women are more likely to have fixed ideas on these issues. I come from an era and knew women that had dangerous 'back alley' abortions that had consequences, and I dont believe ANY woman should EVER feel so desperate they have to resort to that.

Do I LIKE abortion? NO. But its not my place to tell someone else what to do with THEIR body. I 100% support women's right to make their OWN choice, tho I may or may not support the choice they make.
and you may have a point there about generations being different..have lived thru a lot of eras..and a whole lot of cultural changes..
Exactly. One of my favorite authors, and she became a good friend, was Agathe Von Trapp (sound of music, Von Tropp Singers)- and one day we took her to dinner, and she was chatting about growing up. I realised we were sitting with someone that remembered - vividly -World War 1. We were talking about arranged marriages and such, and it REALLY brought home to me how much what one lives through shapes their views.
Do not believe all of the women pioneers of the sixties would see all of these abortions as a good thing.
I dont believe they saw it as a "good thing" OR a "bad thing". THey saw it as being about making their own medical decisions.

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I don't remember a Karen on here. You're not thinking of Old Lady, are you? OL used to post on here and she was very kind hearted. I haven't seen her post in a while. Sassy JM was always Sassy JM. Sometimes, she posts with variations on "Sassy" but I don't think she posts under other names.
Skanky has posted under other names, but she's typically very obvious, and the ISP remains the same or in a similar ISP area.

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For what it's worth, and unless I missed it, no one is saying that abortion is a "good thing". When it comes to reproductive choices, that's an intensely personal decision. Whether a woman chooses abortion, adoption or keeping and raising the child, the decision should be left to the pregnant woman and no one else should be able to make that decision for her.
Exactly. I should have read ahead LOL
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Katie I have apllogized not once but twice if I got your meaning wrong.
If you do not believe that abortion in keeping ghe birth rate down is good..than I apologize one more time. Your sentence made it sound that way
Just lije your post about me sounding like im sassy posting or guys yes guys ..must have been understood wrongly by me as an insult.
Obviously we are not on the same wavelength..and I do not wang to feud with anyone.
So three apklogies now is my resolution.
okay... you've apologized. accepted.
we're not on the same wavelength.
good call.
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There is a way to make abortions rare. But you need to let go of your false beliefs and accept the data.
And the data says that in developed countries the use of abortion drops rapidly when contraception, especially long-term methods, is cheap and available and and effectively used. The data says effective use comes from open discussion at the family level and high quality sex-ed in the schools. The data says that legalization of abortion and access to abortion services does not lead to increased reliance on abortion for fertility control in the long term; in developed countries with these conditions, the predominant trend in abortion rates has been downward.
So if you really want to reduce abortions, stop picketing PP centers. Stop electing fundamentalist religious senators and congressmen. Stop opposing sex-ed. Stop opposing government funding of contraception and family planning services. Encourage your children to take personal responsibility for safe sex instead of preaching abstinence (which is proven to fail). Stop denying scientific realities because all you are doing is teaching your kids that science can't be trusted, yet the scientific method is what gives us contraception and the studies that show how to reduce unwanted pregnancy. Work to improve education and job opportunities in inner economically depressed areas so that women, when they get pregnant, will get proper nutrition and pre-natal care that will lead to fewer fetal problems that lead to abortions.
Terrific .i dont know anyone who pickets..long term birth control is a good thing..
However some of the politicians in the past have been helpful with such things as parental notification..late term rsstrictikns etc..sorry but I am for these things..

There are inexpensive birth control..lady I spoke of gets hers for 5 dollars with gov aid. Id rathef see that than more abortions As I KEEP SAYING. When I was a single mom I had my tubes tied.
I could never have brung myself to have an abortion..and no way to support another child. It is calldd takkng personal responsibility snd never having another unplanned pregnancy. SO Ido know first hand on a lot youmay not..birth control that I may have hsd yo sscrifice for lster as opposed to ending the life of s child I might help create is a no brainer. It is calked being responsible..

IT is essy to dismiss soneone just becsuse they have different beliefs..but some of us have experiences at life you will nevrr have!!!

GOES back to if we put down our swords and agreed on what we can agree on we might get more done
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I totally agree with you on that! I also find it amazing when people claim to know what's going to happen to others come their judgment day. May God be merciful as the self righteous may be in for a big surprise in the end as He made it very clear that He, and nobody else, is the only and rightful judge come the end.
Agreed whole heartedly..
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My fitst place was a trailer.
I now live very nice in a 4 bed 3 bath home that's about 2,500 sq. Ft. Along with the 3 car garage, large outdoor shed, with about 6 acres of land including a fully stocked 1 acre pond.
My home is very nice and something I used to be proud of just me and my wife.
After my "night with God " I found myself ashamed of such a waste. After all how many bathroom and bedrooms can you use at once?
It made me want to use it for the glory of God, which led me to be a foster parent years ago.
Since then, and after being with my wife over 20 years "by Gods grace " He has blessed me with a little girl. She just turned 6 :)
Are you implying those who live in a trailer park are not smart? I know the answer, you were being funny, and I like funny. I to can be funny :)
Based on how I used to say Gods name in vain daily, alone with all the trimmings, drank, drugs, brawling, cheat, lie, steal, whatever was unGodly I loved, and having all of that change overnight "no not anywhere near perfect ",but my "core" was changed, I.now fully believe in God.
See how I did that? I took what I observed in lab like conditions and based an educated geuss.
God is as real to me now after 12 years as my next breath.
All He has helped me overcome was simply a bonus, but the saving of my soul was what really happened that night.:)
Many true born again christians get back into.old habits, and you can see some and not know they are a child of God at all, BUT GOD looks on the heart of man.
Many lost people can act or behave much much better then some who are Heaven bound. It shouldn't be that way, but it is.
Cease thinking what you think is right, and just agree with God.:)
http://www.400monkeys.com/God/
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If you are serious for the answer.. none of us is good..God told the Chosen people for his message and it included sacrificing to pay for sins..Jesus was the only possible perfect sacrifice.the only way to cleanse us from our sins..he had no sin until the Cross when all of our sin was imputed to Him..this is why He cried out Father why have you forsaken me..For THe first time since eternity He was separated from the Father..HE BECAME THE EMBODIMENT OF EVERY WICKED ACT EVER TO BE COMMITTED..this was the true sacrifice . He was a man of sorrows who was prophesied to pay for our iniquities. HEcame to teach and be sacrificed.. there was no villain except evil..no people killed Him. They put Him to death..but he never fought it Because it was the plan..
And before He died He said IT IS FINISHED..the price had been paid for mans sin..the lamb was slain..
And then He rose on the third day..to show that we to will live after deatH
Each of us will be judged according to Gods justice.
YOU asked. And I realize a lot of you do not believe..but many of his followers died for professing this truth..why??? Unless it wss the truth.
There have been people causing hate in His name..even here I have seen it in words.... Jesus never professed hate nor wanted vengeance for His death..It was His will that He die and he forgave those killing Him.
And to answer another poster..I may seem illogical in my beliefs..but they ard thru faith not logic..
Many of us GO THRU LIFE WITH A HOLE IN OUR SPIRITS OUR HEARTS....IT IS A GOD SIZED HOLE..that only He can fill..
Peace
Beautiful, and thanks for the creation info :)

I am very guilty of letting my flesh override my spirit or get sidetracked here.
I realize not all agree with what I do, but the thing is I've tried to walk away and simply cannot. It is what I truly believe God has me to do now.

I've asked forgiveness many times and could do so now from all who read this. It is the nature of the beast, when you have two natures fighting each other.

I do not know you, but I am very glad you are here :)

I will see you one day :)

I pray I see each and every person on here on day.

If they could see what others have done or prayed for them?????

Elise has been on my.mind much lately, and not sure why, and although she thinks I'm creepy or whatever it changes nothing on this end. I pray she has a good week at her job and home, but most of all I pray she has an everlasting encounter with an Holy God :)

Cpeter is gay, SO WHAT?? I love cpeter, and pray the same for him, foo, chick chick, bitner, long night moon, ocean, katie, feces, gbc, conservative democrat "who's not been around ",and all others I'll remember after this post.

My God is real, or I would not be wasting time on here.

I've had a gun pulled on me for just stopping by a mans house to invite him to church. Lol
He was a mean one, BUT if my God can't save him, He's not a God.

He can, He is, and He always will be.
I soooo wish I could show them, but I cannot do what only the precious Holy spirit can, but what I can do /feel compelled to do, that I will do :)
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However some of the politicians in the past have been helpful with such things as parental notification..late term rsstrictikns etc..sorry but I am for these things..
Why are you for things such as parental notification? They are designed to obstruct a woman's right to an abortion. I thought you wanted to see abortions reduced.
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There are inexpensive birth control..
If inexpensive or free, effective BC was widely available and there was the best sex-ed we could have, we wouldn't be having this conversation. You live in la-la land.
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<.As I KEEP SAYING. When I was a single mom I had my tubes tied.
Because it is called choice. How would you feel if the slippery slope of reducing women't rights led to bans on anything that prevents pregnancy from happening?
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I could never have brung myself to have an abortion..and no way to support another child. It is calldd takkng personal responsibility
NO, it is called personal choice.
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<. It is calldd takkng personal responsibility snd never having another unplanned pregnancy.
Again, you live in la-la land. Contraception fails. Rapes happen.
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Beautiful, and thanks for the creation info :)
I am very guilty of letting my flesh override my spirit or get sidetracked here.
I realize not all agree with what I do, but the thing is I've tried to walk away and simply cannot. It is what I truly believe God has me to do now.
I've asked forgiveness many times and could do so now from all who read this. It is the nature of the beast, when you have two natures fighting each other.
I do not know you, but I am very glad you are here :)
I will see you one day :)
I pray I see each and every person on here on day.
If they could see what others have done or prayed for them?????
Elise has been on my.mind much lately, and not sure why, and although she thinks I'm creepy or whatever it changes nothing on this end. I pray she has a good week at her job and home, but most of all I pray she has an everlasting encounter with an Holy God :)
Cpeter is gay, SO WHAT?? I love cpeter, and pray the same for him, foo, chick chick, bitner, long night moon, ocean, katie, feces, gbc, conservative democrat "who's not been around ",and all others I'll remember after this post.
My God is real, or I would not be wasting time on here.
I've had a gun pulled on me for just stopping by a mans house to invite him to church. Lol
He was a mean one, BUT if my God can't save him, He's not a God.
He can, He is, and He always will be.
I soooo wish I could show them, but I cannot do what only the precious Holy spirit can, but what I can do /feel compelled to do, that I will do :)
UMM soundd like in instances ljke s gug eith s gun you should follow Jesus advice which Bitned remk ded me of..Shake thr dust off houf sandles and move on..but only yoh know what thd spirit is calling you to do...glad to meet you alsl..one of ghe pastors at a local church wss usjng ghat Answers in Genesis for a series..so figured he thoughg it wss biblically sound.:)
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Why are you for things such as parental notification? They are designed to obstruct a woman's right to an abortion. I thought you wanted to see abortions reduced.
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If inexpensive or free, effective BC was widely available and there was the best sex-ed we could have, we wouldn't be having this conversation. You live in la-la land.
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Because it is called choice. How would you feel if the slippery slope of reducing women't rights led to bans on anything that prevents pregnancy from happening?
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NO, it is called personal choice.
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Again, you live in la-la land. Contraception fails. Rapes happen.
Sighs we are discussing reducing the numbef of abortions. You say parental notification would restrict and you wonder why I am for it
. If I still had an underage daughter I would definitely want to know if she was having a medical procedure..for many reasons..not the least of which would be to know what is gokng on should shd have a complication. I cant imagine a parent who would not want the same thing..

As for the rest..somewhere along the line ..there has to be a concensensus...and wkmen who do not use abortion as birth control..
Yes rapes happen and Contraception fails but 800 thou a year is NOT a good thing..Though a great thing for the coffers of the providers. Which is ehy I vefg much doubt your assertion that PP would do all they couls to bring down the numbers..Do they providd free BC to poor people with their contributions..How much??. That is a serious question..
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Sighs we are discussing reducing the numbef of abortions. You say parental notification would restrict and you wonder why I am for it
Correct, why would you support something designed to restrict access to legal abortion. It doesn't reduce abortions, it simply pushes people further towards less than stellar abortion providers, illegal abortions, etc.
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. If I still had an underage daughter I would definitely want to know if she was having a medical procedure..for many reasons..not the least of which would be to know what is gokng on should shd have a complication. I cant imagine a parent who would not want the same thing..
The courts weren't addressing the parents who would be the loving concerned type; they were addressing the nutcases who might beat their daughter, or coerce her not to abort. And what about incest?
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Women don't use abortion as birth control. Women use abortion when birth control fails.
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Yes rapes happen and Contraception fails but 800 thou a year is NOT a good thing.
Who is arguing that abortion is "good"? You ceaselessly use that strawman no matter how many times you get shot down.
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.Though a great thing for the coffers of the providers..
Why did you ignore my post about dentists, cardiologists and brain surgeons. According to your logic they deny people preventative care so they can rake in the profits with dental, heart and brain surgery.
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<. Which is ehy I vefg much doubt your assertion that PP would do all they couls to bring down the numbers..Do they providd free BC to poor people with their contributions..How much??. That is a serious question..
Some do. There are limits obviously. Handing out free condoms costs little. Free IUDs are a lot more expensive for PP.
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STILL absolutely for notification and think it is law in some states..in cases of incest is where they ard supposed to go thru a judge.

And missed your dentist bit.

BUT according to you Pp is so benevolent it would like to see an end to the need for abortions.. Dentists do not get contributions which ard supposedly going to help poor people as is their governent money. J believe at ons time they did a lot to promote birth control..now they have a vested interest in the business of abortion..
And for a clinic giving out free bc to those in need would be relatively inexpensive..even IUDs bought in large quantity..or those shots that last a while..their main target

could be women who just had abortions..i bet they MAY be more motivated right after..maybe on their follow ups which I assume they do.

PP IS a rich business that accepts charity and gov money..i do not know about the other clinics but if they are strictly abortions they are more kin to those dentists.

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Correct, why would you support something designed to restrict access to legal abortion. It doesn't reduce abortions, it simply pushes people further towards less than stellar abortion providers, illegal abortions, etc.
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The courts weren't addressing the parents who would be the loving concerned type; they were addressing the nutcases who might beat their daughter, or coerce her not to abort. And what about incest?
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Women don't use abortion as birth control. Women use abortion when birth control fails.
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Who is arguing that abortion is "good"? You ceaselessly use that strawman no matter how many times you get shot down.
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Why did you ignore my post about dentists, cardiologists and brain surgeons. According to your logic they deny people preventative care so they can rake in the profits with dental, heart and brain surgery.
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Some do. There are limits obviously. Handing out free condoms costs little. Free IUDs are a lot more expensive for PP.
PP is damned if they do and damned if they don't anyway. If they gave out free b.c they would then be "promoting sexual activity".

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STILL absolutely for notification and think it is law in some states..in cases of incest is where they ard supposed to go thru a judge.
And missed your dentist bit.
BUT according to you Pp is so benevolent it would like to see an end to the need for abortions.. Dentists do not get contributions which ard supposedly going to help poor people as is their governent money. J believe at ons time they did a lot to promote birth control..now they have a vested interest in the business of abortion..
And for a clinic giving out free bc to those in need would be relatively inexpensive..even IUDs bought in large quantity..or those shots that last a while..their main target
could be women who just had abortions..i bet they MAY be more motivated right after..maybe on their follow ups which I assume they do.
PP IS a rich business that accepts charity and gov money..i do not know about the other clinics but if they are strictly abortions they are more kin to those dentists.
When was the last time you sent a donation to PP? Your kind doesn't provide a dime to PP because you're scared to death it's going to help pay for an abortion. Until you do, it's really not your concern.
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<quoted text>PP is damned if they do and damned if they don't anyway. If they gave out free b.c they would then be "promoting sexual activity".
Well neo..they already would have these women as clients. The ones who had abortions recently for a start. We know they already had sex.

And nothing would prevent them from giving real classes to poor women who wanted them.
They could be such a force..for safe sex.again use their contributions and yes provide free condoms..for a start..

They are one of the few organizations that are on the front lines..if they would as I says bd interested in helping to make abortion less common despite their bottom line for abortions

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