Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

There are 20 comments on the Newsday story from Jan 22, 2008, titled Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision. In it, Newsday reports that:

Thousands of abortion opponents marched from the National Mall to the Supreme Court on Tuesday in their annual remembrance of the court's Roe v. Wade decision.

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rosesz

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#293972 Apr 27, 2013
-Michelle- wrote:
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I wonder if you're talking about Pupsy/Kate. She's PL and she was friendly and got along well with everyone including PC folks. Because of that, she was accused of being a "Judas" despite the fact that she never wavered in her PL and religious beliefs.
Maybe that was her. Thd memory is a sad going to lose..lol..i just remember she was nice to most of the posters on both sides..and got flack..from a couple...one in particular...no names...sad state of affairs..
This is a forum..we cant all agree or else we can call it a social club and swap recipes..but that is only my opinion..

“GO BLACKHAWKS!!”

Since: Dec 07

Home of Lord Stanley!

#293973 Apr 27, 2013
Katie wrote:
is post #293946 hidden?
No, I can see it.
rosesz

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#293974 Apr 27, 2013
-Michelle- wrote:
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The number is high however, you do have to keep in mind that the yearly rate of live birth is way higher than the yearly rate of abortion. That means more women give birth than abort.
You also have to keep in mind that PP's aren't located everywhere and even then so, you can promote all the birth control you want but you can't force anyone to use it.
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Another thing to keep in mind is that not every PP performs abortion. Considering that abortion is not paid for by government funds, as it's prohibited to use government funds for abortions, all of their government funding goes to everything else. And like I said before, you cannot force people to utilize birth control.
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I really don't think women *want* to have an abortion however, you can't force them to use birth control nor can you stop them from having a repeat abortion. I don't know what the solution is to all that is but it does seem that education is working slowly, but surely, as the abortion rate is decreasing. I think a lot of that has to do with comprehensive sex education, the availability of MAP and the fact that some pharmacies are offering some prescription contraceptives at an affordable price.
I hope so on the numbers if they keep coming down..and if the MAP is not an abortifacient and not harmful to young girls great if it helps.

I know first hand on a good friend..gets the pill..gains eeight or forgets..3 abortions..sad but I love her like a daughter..and tried to talk her out of the ladt.

It is a tough problem..but many women suffer after..I know this lady does..and no one wants to see them as victims to as well as their babies.

MAYBE IF PEOLE COULD PUT DOWN THEIR SWORDS figuatively on this we could all come up with an answer to really make them rare
IRYW

Malvern, PA

#293975 Apr 27, 2013
rosesz wrote:
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One..I said I had heard of it..not read it alk and I recommended it to Gtown since he asked and he is a Christian...
So you recommended a website to Gtown that you know nothing about except that it is likely to appeal to a fundamentalist christian because it denies what 99% of the professional scientific community has concluded in favor of what a few 'self-educated' preachers claim? Your commitment to intellectual integrity is stunning..........
rosesz wrote:
<Two..not to be rude really I have already gone on about my beliefs..which are by faith. GOD said ..let there be light..etc..
Your religious beliefs are not relevant to the discussion. You think there is only christianity? LOL ... There are 20 major world religions, hundreds more minor ones, and christianity alone has over 30,000 different sects, many of which violently disagree with each other. So the only way to have sanity is to live in a secular country under the secular rule of law, with the constitutional separation of church and state. No religious argument could ever settle this issue, only reasoned secular debate over empirical evidence.

Part of what makes conversation with you so difficult is you ignore questions and comments in my posts that are crucial to the conversation. You only answer part of a post and ignore the more important part. Why?
Katie

Seattle, WA

#293976 Apr 27, 2013
-Michelle- wrote:
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No, I can see it.
Thanks, Michelle.

No resolution for me. Story of my life.
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Katie

Seattle, WA

#293977 Apr 27, 2013
But 293958 is hidden... Wonder whose that is?
Gtown71

United States

#293978 Apr 27, 2013
Long Night Moon 13 wrote:
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"We are quailfied "justified " the very momment we are "truly born again "
Are you of the belief that even the most devout Jewish Rabbi will not gain admittance to Heaven?
Read John chapter 3, where a very devout Jew was impressed with Jesus, so he came to speak with Him one night, and you will find the answer.

I'm under the impression that it doesn't matter how devout a person is in any "christian " non christian religion, without recieving the "free gift " of God, it will all be in vain.:(
rosesz

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#293979 Apr 27, 2013
IRYW wrote:
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So you recommended a website to Gtown that you know nothing about except that it is likely to appeal to a fundamentalist christian because it denies what 99% of the professional scientific community has concluded in favor of what a few 'self-educated' preachers claim? Your commitment to intellectual integrity is stunning..........
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Your religious beliefs are not relevant to the discussion. You think there is only christianity? LOL ... There are 20 major world religions, hundreds more minor ones, and christianity alone has over 30,000 different sects, many of which violently disagree with each other. So the only way to have sanity is to live in a secular country under the secular rule of law, with the constitutional separation of church and state. No religious argument could ever settle this issue, only reasoned secular debate over empirical evidence.
Part of what makes conversation with you so difficult is you ignore questions and comments in my posts that are crucial to the conversation. You only answer part of a post and ignore the more important part. Why?
I have answered your questions. I think faith kn a set of theories like a big bang takes more faith than I have to give.

I know that God created the earth. It makes mord sense and even skne secularists believe there is intelligent design.

I have read and heard some of the Answers in Genesis.. but I cannot argue all of it as I dont know it all. I do know that arguing a bunch of theories is not going to endear me to you or sway ypur non belief in God as Crreator. WHY keep saying my best and knly answer oved and over.

Not all scientists do not believe in Creation. As I said before some great names believed.
I will side with some of them.. and let you debate with people whose opinion you respect.

Peace
IRYW

Malvern, PA

#293980 Apr 27, 2013
rosesz wrote:
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MAYBE IF PEOLE COULD PUT DOWN THEIR SWORDS figuatively on this we could all come up with an answer to really make them rare
There is a way to make abortions rare. But you need to let go of your false beliefs and accept the data.
And the data says that in developed countries the use of abortion drops rapidly when contraception, especially long-term methods, is cheap and available and and effectively used. The data says effective use comes from open discussion at the family level and high quality sex-ed in the schools. The data says that legalization of abortion and access to abortion services does not lead to increased reliance on abortion for fertility control in the long term; in developed countries with these conditions, the predominant trend in abortion rates has been downward.

So if you really want to reduce abortions, stop picketing PP centers. Stop electing fundamentalist religious senators and congressmen. Stop opposing sex-ed. Stop opposing government funding of contraception and family planning services. Encourage your children to take personal responsibility for safe sex instead of preaching abstinence (which is proven to fail). Stop denying scientific realities because all you are doing is teaching your kids that science can't be trusted, yet the scientific method is what gives us contraception and the studies that show how to reduce unwanted pregnancy. Work to improve education and job opportunities in inner economically depressed areas so that women, when they get pregnant, will get proper nutrition and pre-natal care that will lead to fewer fetal problems that lead to abortions.
Gtown71

United States

#293981 Apr 27, 2013
Long Night Moon 13 wrote:
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And why would God allow good people to go to Hell? Do you believe God would be so petty as to punish good people simply for not believing in Jesus? It just makes no sense.
God doesn't "punish " people just becouse He can, if He wanted to rake folks into Hell based on how "good " or "bad " they were -He could've done it by now. Starting with ME

what else is He to do with a dead soul?
We have loved ones who die. No.matter how much we loved them, we don't dress them up and put them on our couch, and take them with us. We bury them.

The price of SIN is extremely high. It cost God much, and made offer to us for free.

What you call good, and what God calls good, is far different.
You seem to be a very "good" person, but would even you be willng to stand on a world stage, around all of your family and friends and have every deed and thought you have ever had opened up in front of them?

God so loved the world, that He gave His only Begotten Son, that "whosoever" shall believe in Him shall be saved.

1. God put in every person the need for Him.
Although we try and fill that spot with everything from sex, drugs, music, sports, you name it. The worst one of all "religion"

A religious person can be the hardest to be saved. They think they "do" enough.
It is not what you "do" it is who you are.

Bad people go to Heaven.
Good people go to Hell.

God must be dealing with a person, before they get saved.
This is the mystery of God.
The wind blows where it wills, and no one knows where it came from or where it goes, but they do know THAT IT TOUCHED THEM as it came by.:)
rosesz

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#293983 Apr 27, 2013
Katie wrote:
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In another attempt to resolve this issue, Rose, I will again show how you've misunderstood what I've said even while carrying on as if you had no misunderstanding.
The word SUSTAIN does not refer to birthrate. It refers to the whole population and the resources used to support it as a whole.
I admit I'm baffled how you got the meaning you got. And baffled even more that you won't concede and apologize for your wrongful accusation based upon your misunderstanding while insisting your misunderstanding is true.
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http://www.topix.com/forum/news/abortion/T833...
Katie I have apllogized not once but twice if I got your meaning wrong.

If you do not believe that abortion in keeping ghe birth rate down is good..than I apologize one more time. Your sentence made it sound that way

Just lije your post about me sounding like im sassy posting or guys yes guys ..must have been understood wrongly by me as an insult.

Obviously we are not on the same wavelength..and I do not wang to feud with anyone.
So three apklogies now is my resolution.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#293984 Apr 27, 2013
Oh, shucks, ma'am...
-Michelle- wrote:
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CPeter, have I told you how much I love thee? ROFLMAO!! ;o)
IRYW

Malvern, PA

#293985 Apr 27, 2013
rosesz wrote:
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I have answered your questions. I think faith kn a set of theories like a big bang takes more faith than I have to give.
It takes understanding that the scientists who have developed those theories are so much smarter and better educated than you that you have no business denying them. There is no difference between accepting the recommendation of a medical specialist for treatment and accepting the conclusions of astrophysicists and biologists. You don't even understand the theories and you don't want to understand them. You want to cling to your silly beliefs.
rosesz wrote:
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I know that God created the earth.
No you don't. You can't know that. You believe it. To bastardize the word "knowledge" with your childish beliefs is wrong.
rosesz wrote:
<It makes mord sense and even skne secularists believe there is intelligent design.
You think it makes sense because you don't understand the science, so you retreat to your beliefs.
No there aren't. Intelligent design is a religious belief; only religious people think it has any merit.
rosesz wrote:
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Not all scientists do not believe in Creation.
Computer scientists? Maybe. But virtually all the top evolutionary biologists and astrophysicists are atheist.
rosesz wrote:
<. As I said before some great names believed.
I will side with some of them..
So you were too lazy to look the logical fallacy of the argument from authority and choose to remain ignorant. Got it.

See, you think you can just deny facts like evolution and say you have faith. In order to be taken seriously you have to actually offer a refutation of the data and studies; not only that, you have to offer an alternative theory that adds to and improves on the existing one while also explaining everything the current theory does. Even if the theory of evolution by natural selection were shown to be wrong, the empirical facts of evolution would remain. The alternative wouldn't be goddidit. It would be another scientific theory. You'd get hung up on sharpening the pencil.

“GO BLACKHAWKS!!”

Since: Dec 07

Home of Lord Stanley!

#293986 Apr 27, 2013
Katie wrote:
But 293958 is hidden... Wonder whose that is?
That one is definitely hidden. Don't know what's going on.
Gtown71

United States

#293987 Apr 27, 2013
IRYW wrote:
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Not at all. But is extraordinarily rare for someone to be an expert in a scientific discipline without the advanced degrees that go along with substantial, focused education. Would you let "Dr" Hovind perform brain surgery on you just because he is smart?
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One, that is false. You said "any public school kids" meaning that you have the knowledge that a few rug rats in your trailer park are smarter than any public school kid anywhere. Interesting claim. Two, that is irrelevant to the discussion.
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Agreed.
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Stop drinking.
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WTF is 'faith science'?
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But scientists don't say "we believe'. They say "Based on the observed evidence and extensive testing we have concluded that the theory of evolution by natural selection is the best explanation for the fact of evolution". On, evolution didn't just happen 'long ago and far away', is happens every day.
My fitst place was a trailer.
I now live very nice in a 4 bed 3 bath home that's about 2,500 sq. Ft. Along with the 3 car garage, large outdoor shed, with about 6 acres of land including a fully stocked 1 acre pond.

My home is very nice and something I used to be proud of just me and my wife.

After my "night with God " I found myself ashamed of such a waste. After all how many bathroom and bedrooms can you use at once?

It made me want to use it for the glory of God, which led me to be a foster parent years ago.
Since then, and after being with my wife over 20 years "by Gods grace " He has blessed me with a little girl. She just turned 6 :)

Are you implying those who live in a trailer park are not smart? I know the answer, you were being funny, and I like funny. I to can be funny :)

Based on how I used to say Gods name in vain daily, alone with all the trimmings, drank, drugs, brawling, cheat, lie, steal, whatever was unGodly I loved, and having all of that change overnight "no not anywhere near perfect ",but my "core" was changed, I.now fully believe in God.

See how I did that? I took what I observed in lab like conditions and based an educated geuss.

God is as real to me now after 12 years as my next breath.

All He has helped me overcome was simply a bonus, but the saving of my soul was what really happened that night.:)

Many true born again christians get back into.old habits, and you can see some and not know they are a child of God at all, BUT GOD looks on the heart of man.

Many lost people can act or behave much much better then some who are Heaven bound. It shouldn't be that way, but it is.

Cease thinking what you think is right, and just agree with God.:)

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#293988 Apr 27, 2013
rosesz wrote:
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Lol..are you saying Im older ..Guilty..
No, I didn't mean YOU in particular, more like the "royal" you or "we" as the case may be.

Older men and women are more likely to have fixed ideas on these issues. I come from an era and knew women that had dangerous 'back alley' abortions that had consequences, and I dont believe ANY woman should EVER feel so desperate they have to resort to that.

Do I LIKE abortion? NO. But its not my place to tell someone else what to do with THEIR body. I 100% support women's right to make their OWN choice, tho I may or may not support the choice they make.
and you may have a point there about generations being different..have lived thru a lot of eras..and a whole lot of cultural changes..
Exactly. One of my favorite authors, and she became a good friend, was Agathe Von Trapp (sound of music, Von Tropp Singers)- and one day we took her to dinner, and she was chatting about growing up. I realised we were sitting with someone that remembered - vividly -World War 1. We were talking about arranged marriages and such, and it REALLY brought home to me how much what one lives through shapes their views.
Do not believe all of the women pioneers of the sixties would see all of these abortions as a good thing.
I dont believe they saw it as a "good thing" OR a "bad thing". THey saw it as being about making their own medical decisions.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#293989 Apr 27, 2013
-Michelle- wrote:
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I don't remember a Karen on here. You're not thinking of Old Lady, are you? OL used to post on here and she was very kind hearted. I haven't seen her post in a while. Sassy JM was always Sassy JM. Sometimes, she posts with variations on "Sassy" but I don't think she posts under other names.
Skanky has posted under other names, but she's typically very obvious, and the ISP remains the same or in a similar ISP area.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#293990 Apr 27, 2013
-Michelle- wrote:
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For what it's worth, and unless I missed it, no one is saying that abortion is a "good thing". When it comes to reproductive choices, that's an intensely personal decision. Whether a woman chooses abortion, adoption or keeping and raising the child, the decision should be left to the pregnant woman and no one else should be able to make that decision for her.
Exactly. I should have read ahead LOL
Katie

Seattle, WA

#293991 Apr 27, 2013
rosesz wrote:
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Katie I have apllogized not once but twice if I got your meaning wrong.
If you do not believe that abortion in keeping ghe birth rate down is good..than I apologize one more time. Your sentence made it sound that way
Just lije your post about me sounding like im sassy posting or guys yes guys ..must have been understood wrongly by me as an insult.
Obviously we are not on the same wavelength..and I do not wang to feud with anyone.
So three apklogies now is my resolution.
okay... you've apologized. accepted.
we're not on the same wavelength.
good call.
rosesz

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#293992 Apr 27, 2013
IRYW wrote:
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There is a way to make abortions rare. But you need to let go of your false beliefs and accept the data.
And the data says that in developed countries the use of abortion drops rapidly when contraception, especially long-term methods, is cheap and available and and effectively used. The data says effective use comes from open discussion at the family level and high quality sex-ed in the schools. The data says that legalization of abortion and access to abortion services does not lead to increased reliance on abortion for fertility control in the long term; in developed countries with these conditions, the predominant trend in abortion rates has been downward.
So if you really want to reduce abortions, stop picketing PP centers. Stop electing fundamentalist religious senators and congressmen. Stop opposing sex-ed. Stop opposing government funding of contraception and family planning services. Encourage your children to take personal responsibility for safe sex instead of preaching abstinence (which is proven to fail). Stop denying scientific realities because all you are doing is teaching your kids that science can't be trusted, yet the scientific method is what gives us contraception and the studies that show how to reduce unwanted pregnancy. Work to improve education and job opportunities in inner economically depressed areas so that women, when they get pregnant, will get proper nutrition and pre-natal care that will lead to fewer fetal problems that lead to abortions.
Terrific .i dont know anyone who pickets..long term birth control is a good thing..
However some of the politicians in the past have been helpful with such things as parental notification..late term rsstrictikns etc..sorry but I am for these things..

There are inexpensive birth control..lady I spoke of gets hers for 5 dollars with gov aid. Id rathef see that than more abortions As I KEEP SAYING. When I was a single mom I had my tubes tied.
I could never have brung myself to have an abortion..and no way to support another child. It is calldd takkng personal responsibility snd never having another unplanned pregnancy. SO Ido know first hand on a lot youmay not..birth control that I may have hsd yo sscrifice for lster as opposed to ending the life of s child I might help create is a no brainer. It is calked being responsible..

IT is essy to dismiss soneone just becsuse they have different beliefs..but some of us have experiences at life you will nevrr have!!!

GOES back to if we put down our swords and agreed on what we can agree on we might get more done

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