Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

There are 309843 comments on the Newsday story from Jan 22, 2008, titled Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision. In it, Newsday reports that:

Thousands of abortion opponents marched from the National Mall to the Supreme Court on Tuesday in their annual remembrance of the court's Roe v. Wade decision.

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Bit-O-Honey

Mooresville, NC

#293256 Apr 24, 2013
Ink wrote:
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It's weird that you can't think of a single reason why the state would interfere in a woman's right to choose. You just accept it.
Its weider that you completely ignore the answers you've been given. "future tax-payers" ring a bell you dunce?

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#293257 Apr 24, 2013
Right...I practice safe sex. Ask most heteros about safe sex, they look like you just asked them to explain the universe in 15 words or less. They don't want to do anything that might "spoil the moment". Until straight people get over it, there will be unwanted pregnancies and there will be abortions.

Even those who use contraceptives are not protected 100%. Despite your rosy assertions, no contraception is absolutely effective. On any given day, there are proably a million hetero sex acts using condoms. Even the best condoms claim only a 98% effectiveness rating. What's 2% of 1 million?

Sex is a healthy and necessary part of life; it is also the strongest innate drive in our species after survival.
Gtown71 wrote:
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I have no ill will toward any man or woman. People may make the choices they will, but what's the difference?
We tell folks that like to drink "don't drive " "act responsible " "get a sober person to drive " and with all the world has to offer, from taxi cabs, sober friends, even some who volunteer to drive drunks around,there is no excuse for anyone to be driving while drunk, correct? If they do and they get caught, what happens? If they wreck and hurt or kill others, what happens? Not good, all day long this still goes on, and untill texting took the number 1 spot, it was booze related crashes. Should we stand up for the drunks, and say so what?? They mowed down a couple of kids on the way to the park -should they be punished, for a long time becouse of one little slip???
Same thing -with all this world has to offer, and please don't tell me how much they fail, if used properly, they work fine. Even cpeter addmits to having more encounters then I have had in.pills, yet clean as a whistle, becouse he practices safe sex.
The numbers alone should make anyone think "WHAT ARE WE DOING /ALLOWING "yet the human mind can't wrap itself around such a deal, so you must tell yourself, it is only one woman making a medical choice on their own.
Ink

Philadelphia, PA

#293258 Apr 24, 2013
Bit-O-Honey wrote:
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You clearly are ignorant of the case. Many of these women, who HAVE stepped forward, were drugged and had their abortions done against their will.
She's right. You're stupid for stupid's sake.
BTW idiot, he's NOT in business. He's in jail on murder charges.
They went to an abortion clinic to "not' have an abortion? That seems strange.

He was in business for many years with many satisfied customers.

“Truly Pro-Life”

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#293259 Apr 24, 2013
Ink wrote:
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It's weird that you can't think of a single reason why the state would interfere in a woman's right to choose. You just accept it.
I've told you the reason I know of, dear. You just cannot accept it.

Good luck on your quest to understand why women are allowed to have abortions, but don't have to justify their abortions to you.

You have a very long way to go. Here's a ham sandwich. Don't say I never did nothin' for ye.
Ink

Philadelphia, PA

#293260 Apr 24, 2013
Bit-O-Honey wrote:
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Its weider that you completely ignore the answers you've been given. "future tax-payers" ring a bell you dunce?
You'll have to prove that one. Nothing guarantees that a fetus will be a future tax payer. If that was true, all abortions would be denied due to the 'future tax payer' logic.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#293261 Apr 24, 2013
They don't need to get your permission to believe as they wish. Just as you have the right to believe in your ridiculous god, they can believe they have the right to make their own medical decisions. However, the law supports THEIR "belief".
Gtown71 wrote:
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Why is this a lie? It seems that over 3,500 women each and every day of the week mon -fri are getting that message, hardwired into their core, that they may conduct themselves are careless as they wish, and any "thing " that happens to inconvienice them will be dealt with, and as far as your other post -bit please, like I'm the grammer patrol. Now that's funny!:)
There must be a better way.
Gosnnel to me truly seen no difference in killing small or large. He was a true abortionist and didn't play around. It wasn't like he forced those women to have the child, not knowing what he would do with the little screaming thing?!?!?

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#293262 Apr 24, 2013
Ink wrote:
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Everything is irrelevant you if you can't answer the question posed.
No, it's irrelevant because it is. Motives are not the issue. Civil rights are. Neither of us can answer the question. Only each state would be able to do so.

And again, it's irrelevant to the issue of civil rights. The only parties that have civil rights for the issue of abortion are the woman who is pregnant, and the state she's getting her abortion in.
Ink

Philadelphia, PA

#293263 Apr 24, 2013
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
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Again - you are a MORON.
You dont have a CLUE who Gosnell was, what he did or what the HELL you're talking about.
Do yourself a favor, STFU until you educate yourself.
Gosnell was a murderer who's in jail for his crimes and has ZERO to do with legal, safe clinics.
Has PP condemned what Gosnell did? Last I heard, their spokesperson wouldn't.
rosesz

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#293264 Apr 24, 2013
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
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Coersion is not "forcing". No woman is forced at the point of a gun to have a LEGAL abortion.
Nobody is in the room where the medcial procedure is happening except for the medical personel and the woman.
She CAN say NO.
Period.
If the woman feels coerced - that's on HER. Nothing you nor I nor anyone else can say NO for her. Making abortion illegal - particularly and specifically in the first trimester - is NEVER going to happen. That's long been established law. Even an overturning of RvW will not change that - you DO understand that right?
If a woman feels coerced, its on HER to seek help, and help IS out there. Harassing women going into health clinics, bitching meaninglessly on a messageboard, making up hystronic nonsensical crap about "victims" is meaningless.
Please see my answer below to plays..about forced or coercdd women...no I am sure it is not a majority. But some women and young girls will always be victims.

And on a previous question a couple of years ago I did read the stories on one of those sites. If was heart breaking. But any woman can find herself kn a desperate situation. I never condemn another person..
I abhor this culture and political environment that makes elective abortion occur in such high numbers..so much info and planning available and yet for some this is like birth control for them. I personally know 2 women who have done multiplexer. One was worried about ever being able to conceive again. She went to hef ob. Last I heard she was not using any of his advice on contraception..The other one only uses her pills sporadically. She is one of my very good friends.

As for the womdn on that site. And the women I have known. Some do feel guilt and worse..but if they choose they can find peace and reconciliation. Some never do.

It is a loss no matter how casually it is treated.. but unfortunately it is also a big business and a political football..So things are not likely to change.

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#293265 Apr 24, 2013
Ink wrote:
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Do you know how many women are killed by someone that they have a restraining order against?
Do you how many could be killed if they didn't?*facepalm*
Gtown71

United States

#293266 Apr 24, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
Right...I practice safe sex. Ask most heteros about safe sex, they look like you just asked them to explain the universe in 15 words or less. They don't want to do anything that might "spoil the moment". Until straight people get over it, there will be unwanted pregnancies and there will be abortions.
Even those who use contraceptives are not protected 100%. Despite your rosy assertions, no contraception is absolutely effective. On any given day, there are proably a million hetero sex acts using condoms. Even the best condoms claim only a 98% effectiveness rating. What's 2% of 1 million?
Sex is a healthy and necessary part of life; it is also the strongest innate drive in our species after survival.
<quoted text>
Your post is a prime example of what message is being sent, who cares about safe sex, when all is covered at the expense of a life, and a womans life experience.
Your last sentence is believed by many, I used to also believe that way.
I no longer think sex is near a big a deal as the "world " would have us believe. There must be more to any relationship, that's worth its weight in salt.

I think sex is a beautiful thing designed by God, that has been just about as twisted as it can get by a satanic force, but hey since you don't believe in all that mess, it doesn't apply to you right?

I knew a man who couldn't wrap his head around how air can hold up a car while under pressure in tires. It is still truth, regaurdless of what he thinks, true?

Would you compare getting a splinter taken out of your thumb, the same as having a leg amputated? Then why bunch abortion in like it is the same as any medical choice. It isn't.

Ok no God -just a dot >< this size that began to spin sooo fast, it exploded into all we now have? Wow, and we christians get accused of not thinking rational?!?!?

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#293267 Apr 24, 2013
Well, that was a fucton of stupid.

I don't know how bad your family is on such things, but my parents never had to tell us not to rape, become pimps, or prostitute ourselves. It was kind of a given.

Defending yourself against a rapist is easier said than done, especially if the rapist is armed.

So you chose a crappy mate and were abused--and now you are lashing out at others who make the same mistake? Hypocrite much? Where was your self-respect when you were being abused?

Among the choices that are your own is the one to remain pregnant or not.
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>I raised my sons not to rape or be pimps. Raise your daughters to defend themselves against attackers, and not to sell their bodies for sex.
Battered women choose crappy men, and/or to stay with jerks who abuse them. There are no victims...only volunteers. I know - I left my abuser, and have never subjected myself to another one. It's called 'self-respect'. I got some.
We ALWAYS have choices. Some are harder to make than others, but the choices are always there, and they are always our own.

“Truly Pro-Life”

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#293268 Apr 24, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
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I disagree, there is no way with all of the abortions that have taken place since RvW, that it hasn't effected all of us in some way.
I disagree - the number of abortions only indicates that some women are getting abortions. It doesn't 'effect' anything, except a job for the guy doing the counting.

Now, since I know that's not what you meant, I also disagree that the 'staggering numbers' of abortions affect all of us - at least to the extent that you infer. The number of abortions is
a)a statistic, which can be used in any way the user chooses to contextualize it,
and
b)a number.

That's it.

The legality of abortion however, has certainly 'effected' a huge brawl in the political arena, and THAT has affected all of us -
Gtown71 wrote:
<quoted text>I have no I'll will toward any, just killing time on my way to the house.
Which must be why you started this gig with the threat of our eventual smiting. Friendly fella, you are.
Gtown71 wrote:
<quoted text>What if all posters was like me, wouldn't it be a magical place :) lol
Sure, if you're into black majik...but that's never been my favorite.

lol
Gtown71

United States

#293269 Apr 24, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
They don't need to get your permission to believe as they wish. Just as you have the right to believe in your ridiculous god, they can believe they have the right to make their own medical decisions. However, the law supports THEIR "belief".
<quoted text>
Yes cpeter -I have God -you have a >< dot.
you stated in an earlier post how powerful and good our sex life is to our species survival, but how does gay sex fit that at all?

I to used to thinl those who believe in God was ridiculous . Now I would swing over Hell on a rotten grapevine singing amazing grace, my faith is so sound in a true living God!

I praise His Holy Name, for He alone is Worthy to be praised!!!
Jesus Christ truly will /can save you!!
rosesz

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#293270 Apr 24, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>I raised my sons not to rape or be pimps. Raise your daughters to defend themselves against attackers, and not to sell their bodies for sex.
Battered women choose crappy men, and/or to stay with jerks who abuse them. There are no victims...only volunteers. I know - I left my abuser, and have never subjected myself to another one. It's called 'self-respect'. I got some.
We ALWAYS have choices. Some are harder to make than others, but the choices are always there, and they are always our own.
Then I think you are a very strong person to get away. But not all women are strong..some are only used to abuse from childhood. Some are just children who have been caught up in situations where they have no control. And their abusers can get away with pimping them out or abusing them because they are victims..and some are forced into abortions just like they are forced in every part of their lives. I soul prey they could all be strong..but reality is some are not..

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#293271 Apr 24, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
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Yes cpeter -I have God -you have a >< dot.
you stated in an earlier post how powerful and good our sex life is to our species survival, but how does gay sex fit that at all?
I to used to thinl those who believe in God was ridiculous . Now I would swing over Hell on a rotten grapevine singing amazing grace, my faith is so sound in a true living God!
I praise His Holy Name, for He alone is Worthy to be praised!!!
Jesus Christ truly will /can save you!!
I'm not surprised that you don't understand that sex is for more than procreation.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#293272 Apr 24, 2013
I am the strongest advocate of safe sex you will ever know. But heteros for the most part ignore it. Their problem, not mine.

Sex is a biological need regardless of "relationship". You can use whatever context you wish for sex and others will do the same.

Yes--those who don't believe in a religion aren't in any way required to give a damn about its tenets.

Anyon who doesn't understand tires needs a trainer and a handler. Stop hanging around with complete cretins.

Getting a splinter removed is a non-invasive treatment; amputation is a major procedure. BUT, both are medical procedures. Abortion is just another medical decision; any philosophical arguments are irrelevant to that FACT.

Actually, tht's not what the big bang theory says, but why not have your friend with the tire issue explain it to you?
Gtown71 wrote:
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Your post is a prime example of what message is being sent, who cares about safe sex, when all is covered at the expense of a life, and a womans life experience.
Your last sentence is beliether argung it? Ask your friend with the tire issueved by many, I used to also believe that way.
I no longer think sex is near a big a deal as the "world " would have us believe. There must be more to any relationship, that's worth its weight in salt.
I think sex is a beautiful thing designed by God, that has been just about as twisted as it can get by a satanic force, but hey since you don't believe in all that mess, it doesn't apply to you right?
I knew a man who couldn't wrap his head around how air can hold up a car while under pressure in tires. It is still truth, regaurdless of what he thinks, true?
Would you compare getting a splinter taken out of your thumb, the same as having a leg amputated? Then why bunch abortion in like it is the same as any medical choice. It isn't.
Ok no God -just a dot >< this size that began to spin sooo fast, it exploded into all we now have? Wow, and we christians get accused of not thinking rational?!?!?
Ink

Philadelphia, PA

#293273 Apr 24, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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No, it's irrelevant because it is. Motives are not the issue. Civil rights are. Neither of us can answer the question. Only each state would be able to do so.
And again, it's irrelevant to the issue of civil rights. The only parties that have civil rights for the issue of abortion are the woman who is pregnant, and the state she's getting her abortion in.
It still amounts to the protection of the fetus from it's mother.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#293274 Apr 24, 2013
Ink wrote:
<quoted text>
It still amounts to the protection of the fetus from it's mother.
Not really. It amounts to a state protecting their own interest, those that choose to, that is. Why they do so is neither here nor there.

And STILL, the only parties that have civil rights in this instance, are the woman who is pregnant, and the state. Not the embryo/fetus.

“Truly Pro-Life”

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#293275 Apr 24, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
Well, that was a fucton of stupid.
You're quite correct. Having re-read it, I've come to the same conclusion: It was a function of prettydamnstupid.
cpeter1313 wrote:
I don't know how bad your family is on such things, but my parents never had to tell us not to rape, become pimps, or prostitute ourselves. It was kind of a given.
Neither did my parents, and neither did I have to 'tell' my kids...I led by example, and showed them respect. But I failed to explain that well, in my stupid wave of self-righteous blather.
cpeter1313 wrote:
Defending yourself against a rapist is easier said than done, especially if the rapist is armed.
Which is why I took self defense classes, and armed myself - but those were choices available to me as the result of other choices I made. That's really what I was trying to get across, and I did a really bad job of it.
cpeter1313 wrote:
So you chose a crappy mate and were abused--and now you are lashing out at others who make the same mistake?
That's exactly what I sounded like. Good call.
cpeter1313 wrote:
Where was your self-respect when you were being abused?
Pretty much in the toilet - which allowed me to choose that person in the first place.
cpeter1313 wrote:
Among the choices that are your own is the one to remain pregnant or not.
I know.
cpeter1313 wrote:
Hypocrite much?
Apparently so.

I'll try to do better next time.

:)

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