Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

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#292031 Apr 9, 2013
lil Lily wrote:
http://www.medicinenet.com/pre gnancy_preeclampsia_and_eclamp sia/article.htm
"Preeclampsia occurs after the 20th week of pregnancy and can even occur in the days following birth."
IF PCers cared about facts, looked it up, and IF they could understand what they read, they'd see that not one reputable medical site states abortion is needed or is treatment, for any reason, for preeclampsia or eclampsia.
As usual, you're wrong Lynne.

If YOU cared about facts, you'd learn to comprehend what you read, and understand that SOMETIMES, abortion IS the "cure".

Plenty of reputable medical sites DO discuss ending the pregnancy - SOME even use the word abortion as I've proven.

" http://www.news-medical.net/health/Pre-Eclamp... ;

"The only known treatments for eclampsia or advancing pre-eclampsia are abortion or delivery,"

"Once the course of preeclampsia has begun, it cannot be reversed and the health of the mother must be constantly weighed against the health of the baby. In some cases, the baby must be delivered immediately, regardless of gestational age, to save the mother's and/or baby's life."

http://www.preeclampsia.org/health-informatio...

Read 'for comprehenstion' Lynnekins. Is the Pre-eclampsia Foundation reputable enough for you? No, they dont use the WORD abortion, but its CLEARLY what they're talking about.

http://www.parentingnation.in/Pregnancy/pre-e...

"Obstetric measures

Therapeutic abortion: in severe cases not responding to treatment.
Preterm delivery if there is:
marked deterioration of the underlying disease.
indication for termination as in pre-eclampsia if it is superimposed.
intrauterine growth retardation.
Delivery at 37 completed weeks as intrauterine foetal death may result from deteriorating placental functions."

http://www.gfmer.ch/Obstetrics_simplified/Hyp...

So as usual Lynnekins - you're not only wrong - you're STUPIDLY wrong.

Tho I do admit its amusing as hell to watch you make an ass of yourself in your stubborness to admit ANYONE has a viable point that goes against your stupidity.

"•The only safest way to cure pre-eclampsia is to abort or deliver the child. If pre-eclampsia is not very serious, then a woman can continue with her pregnancy and deliver her baby normally. In case the problem is very serious, premature delivery of the baby takes place."

Since: Sep 08

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#292032 Apr 9, 2013
Bit-O-Honey wrote:
Gee. One ignorant liar takes a break Ink, and the other OCD freak who is an even BIGGER liar comes back, lily or lynne or whatever name she's using today.
They must work in shifts. I wonder if Topix pays them? Because there' has to be at least ONE psychotic PL'er here at all times.
ROFLMAO! Yeah, they have each other on speed dial....

Since: Sep 08

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#292033 Apr 9, 2013
STO wrote:
<quoted text>
"In the cases of "delivery" for preeclampia or eclampsia as the Mayo clinic site stated and the case STO made the claim about, both was about a LIVE fetus, because nothing elsewas stated otherwise."
But you were there, lilLynne!
Doesn't matter that I've already stated I don't know ( I __ DON'T __ KNOW ) if the fetus expired in utero.
Guess you must have stepped out of the room when my mother didn't tell me what I don't know.
Ya ol' crab.
Dontcha know STO, that because you didn't state EVERY WORD the way she wanted you to, you MUST be lying?@@

Not to mention she ignores what words you DID state very clearly that doesn't fit Lynne's agenda?
Katie

Renton, WA

#292034 Apr 9, 2013
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
<quoted text>
As usual, you're wrong Lynne.
If YOU cared about facts, you'd learn to comprehend what you read, and understand that SOMETIMES, abortion IS the "cure".
Plenty of reputable medical sites DO discuss ending the pregnancy - SOME even use the word abortion as I've proven.
" http://www.news-medical.net/health/Pre-Eclamp... ;
"The only known treatments for eclampsia or advancing pre-eclampsia are abortion or delivery,"
"Once the course of preeclampsia has begun, it cannot be reversed and the health of the mother must be constantly weighed against the health of the baby. In some cases, the baby must be delivered immediately, regardless of gestational age, to save the mother's and/or baby's life."
http://www.preeclampsia.org/health-informatio...
Read 'for comprehenstion' Lynnekins. Is the Pre-eclampsia Foundation reputable enough for you? No, they dont use the WORD abortion, but its CLEARLY what they're talking about.
http://www.parentingnation.in/Pregnancy/pre-e...
"Obstetric measures
Therapeutic abortion: in severe cases not responding to treatment.
Preterm delivery if there is:
marked deterioration of the underlying disease.
indication for termination as in pre-eclampsia if it is superimposed.
intrauterine growth retardation.
Delivery at 37 completed weeks as intrauterine foetal death may result from deteriorating placental functions."
http://www.gfmer.ch/Obstetrics_simplified/Hyp...
So as usual Lynnekins - you're not only wrong - you're STUPIDLY wrong.
Tho I do admit its amusing as hell to watch you make an ass of yourself in your stubborness to admit ANYONE has a viable point that goes against your stupidity.
"•The only safest way to cure pre-eclampsia is to abort or deliver the child. If pre-eclampsia is not very serious, then a woman can continue with her pregnancy and deliver her baby normally. In case the problem is very serious, premature delivery of the baby takes place."
"The only safest way to cure pre-eclampsia is to abort or deliver the child. If pre-eclampsia is not very serious, then a woman can continue with her pregnancy and deliver her baby normally. In case the problem is very serious, premature delivery of the baby takes place."

My youngest was born under these circumstances. After I was admitted to the hospital on Christmas Eve following an OB appt. My oldest went full term, but the pre-ecclampsia began rearing its ugly head toward the end of that pregnancy. My second full term pregnancy was designated high risk right toward the end of the first trimester due to protein in my urine. Why that op acts as if I don't know what I'm talking about is beyond me. Apparently STO is right. She was there, a fly on the wall, during all my OB appts.

:-|
grumpy

Pomona, NY

#292036 Apr 9, 2013
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm sorry you don't understand BraveSpammer's post. Have a small child explain to you that "post birth abortion" and "post birth terminations" means the same thing. And then they can explain to you that both are non-existent.
The problem is that the poster had the wrong sequence of words. The poster was probably trying to say "post abortion birth". There are times when the aborted fetus shows signs of life.

“lightly burnt,but still smokin”

Since: Dec 06

in the corner of your mind,

#292037 Apr 9, 2013
worships reality

United States

#292038 Apr 9, 2013
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm sorry you don't understand BraveSpammer's post. Have a small child explain to you that "post birth abortion" and "post birth terminations" means the same thing. And then they can explain to you that both are non-existent.
don't put quotes around a term that the poster did not use. it's deceitful.
since abortion means the termination of a pregnancy your explanation why a post birth abortion is not possible, is accurate. please explain similarly how a post birth termination is not possible.
grumpy

Pomona, NY

#292039 Apr 9, 2013
worships reality wrote:
<quoted text>
don't put quotes around a term that the poster did not use. it's deceitful.
since abortion means the termination of a pregnancy your explanation why a post birth abortion is not possible, is accurate. please explain similarly how a post birth termination is not possible.
It's not "post birth termination." It's post abortion termination. Occasionally the fetus breathes after abortion so the surgeon cuts off the air supply to the fetus.

Since: Dec 09

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#292040 Apr 9, 2013
godless by choice wrote:
That was hilarious!
worships reality

United States

#292041 Apr 9, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
Self-defense is actually irrelevan as you describe it. It's the reasonable FEAR of danger that constitutes self-defense, and the FACT is that any pregnancy can go south at any time. The woman gets to decide what the extent of the risk might be, and whether she will accept the risk.
<quoted text>
wrong twit. katie made it relevant when she tried to establish a self defense justification for abortion. she made the analogy, not me. and it failed, on every level possible.
abortion, since it involves killing human life, constitutes deadly force. your contention that since any pregnancy has the potential of going "south at any time", warrants the use of deadly force is horseshit. you don't get to exercise deadly force in the name of self defense on the basis of a potential threat. any person walking toward you on the street represents a potential threat. the vast majority however, are not threats at all. you don't get to shoot the person preemptively solely for the reason that you think he "may" pose a threat.
in the future weigh in on discussions only when you have a clue as to what you're talking about.
worships reality

United States

#292042 Apr 9, 2013
grumpy wrote:
<quoted text>It's not "post birth termination." It's post abortion termination. Occasionally the fetus breathes after abortion so the surgeon cuts off the air supply to the fetus.
sorry but she said post birth abortion and post birth termination were the same thing. if you think she meant something else then raise the issue with her not me. in the meantime let her explain what she said and not what you think she meant, ok cowboy?
bitlerisalwayswr ong

Falls City, NE

#292043 Apr 9, 2013
grumpy wrote:
<quoted text>It's not "post birth termination." It's post abortion termination. Occasionally the fetus breathes after abortion so the surgeon cuts off the air supply to the fetus.
Wow, that is so cold hearted. Ever think that the Image and Likeness of God should be respected? You know abortion is destroying the Image and Likeness of God. So if you support abortion you are supporting a very, very evil act of destroying God's own Likeness and Image Even if the child is unborn or just born and takes a breath. Do you hate God so much you want to destroy God's Image?
Katie

Renton, WA

#292045 Apr 9, 2013
worships reality wrote:
<quoted text>
wrong twit. katie made it relevant when she tried to establish a self defense justification for abortion. she made the analogy, not me. and it failed, on every level possible.
abortion, since it involves killing human life, constitutes deadly force. your contention that since any pregnancy has the potential of going "south at any time", warrants the use of deadly force is horseshit. you don't get to exercise deadly force in the name of self defense on the basis of a potential threat. any person walking toward you on the street represents a potential threat. the vast majority however, are not threats at all. you don't get to shoot the person preemptively solely for the reason that you think he "may" pose a threat.
in the future weigh in on discussions only when you have a clue as to what you're talking about.
You were talking about it in the criminal sense. Cptr and I are both discussing it in the medical sense. It's you who should, "...weigh in on discussions only when you have a clue as to what you're talking about."
STO

Vallejo, CA

#292046 Apr 9, 2013
Katie wrote:
<quoted text>
Why so combative in your irrationality?
Have you missed the posts claiming abortion medically means pregnancy ending prior to term? Doesn't matter if it's by delivery or by D&E. Same/same.
Why so uptight?
Ain't she, tho? Gone for awhile and comes back just as bitchy as ever.
Katie

Renton, WA

#292047 Apr 9, 2013
worships reality wrote:
<quoted text>
sorry but she said post birth abortion and post birth termination were the same thing. if you think she meant something else then raise the issue with her not me. in the meantime let her explain what she said and not what you think she meant, ok cowboy?
He's answering your question. The last line of your posts asked and he answered. All that crap above is just crap, a distraction. Why so quarrelsome?
STO

Vallejo, CA

#292048 Apr 9, 2013
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
<quoted text>
Dontcha know STO, that because you didn't state EVERY WORD the way she wanted you to, you MUST be lying?@@
Not to mention she ignores what words you DID state very clearly that doesn't fit Lynne's agenda?
She hates me. And you. And Katie. And La (her faaaavorite!)

It's palpable.

Course she doesn't know us from years ago, so theoretically would have no reason to hate us so much...("I'm not Lynne! Really! I'm not!) lol

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#292051 Apr 9, 2013
Why? Here you are, and you've never had a fu**ing clue in your tawdry little life.

Legally, there is no such thing as deadly force against a fetus, as the fetus is not a legal person. A woman--just like a man--can assess a medical condition and whether they wish to treat it or not based on risk factors; she loses no autonomy just because her uterus works.
worships reality wrote:
<quoted text>
wrong twit. katie made it relevant when she tried to establish a self defense justification for abortion. she made the analogy, not me. and it failed, on every level possible.
abortion, since it involves killing human life, constitutes deadly force. your contention that since any pregnancy has the potential of going "south at any time", warrants the use of deadly force is horseshit. you don't get to exercise deadly force in the name of self defense on the basis of a potential threat. any person walking toward you on the street represents a potential threat. the vast majority however, are not threats at all. you don't get to shoot the person preemptively solely for the reason that you think he "may" pose a threat.
in the future weigh in on discussions only when you have a clue as to what you're talking about.
grumpy

Pomona, NY

#292052 Apr 9, 2013
worships reality wrote:
<quoted text>
sorry but she said post birth abortion and post birth termination were the same thing. if you think she meant something else then raise the issue with her not me. in the meantime let her explain what she said and not what you think she meant, ok cowboy?
This was discussed long ago in relation to Obama's position while a Senator.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#292053 Apr 9, 2013
Fu** your god. You can worship as you please, but no one else has to.
bitlerisalwayswrong wrote:
<quoted text>Wow, that is so cold hearted. Ever think that the Image and Likeness of God should be respected? You know abortion is destroying the Image and Likeness of God. So if you support abortion you are supporting a very, very evil act of destroying God's own Likeness and Image Even if the child is unborn or just born and takes a breath. Do you hate God so much you want to destroy God's Image?
Petey is wrong again

Falls City, NE

#292054 Apr 9, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
Fu** your god. You can worship as you please, but no one else has to.
<quoted text>
Conscience bothering you I guess, Why would you get sooooo upset, hmmm?

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