Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

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Thousands of abortion opponents marched from the National Mall to the Supreme Court on Tuesday in their annual remembrance of the court's Roe v. Wade decision.

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worships reality

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#292013 Apr 8, 2013
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
Here, Spammer, I answered you on the other thread.....
There are no such things as "post birth abortions". There is no way to explain why something that doesn't even exist isn't something else entirely.
An abortion is the ending, either spontaneous or induced, of a pregnancy. The very phrase "post birth" means that the pregnancy is already over. Don't be any more moronic than you must.
why are you putting quotes around "post birth abortions" ? I don't see that phrase mentioned anywhere in the post. stop playing word games and answer the question - should the termination of loving post birth products of abortion be considered murder?
worships reality

United States

#292014 Apr 8, 2013
"living"

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#292015 Apr 8, 2013
worships reality wrote:
<quoted text>
why are you putting quotes around "post birth abortions" ? I don't see that phrase mentioned anywhere in the post. stop playing word games and answer the question - should the termination of loving post birth products of abortion be considered murder?
I'm sorry you don't understand BraveSpammer's post. Have a small child explain to you that "post birth abortion" and "post birth terminations" means the same thing. And then they can explain to you that both are non-existent.

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#292016 Apr 8, 2013
STO wrote:
<quoted text>
"In the cases of "delivery" for preeclampia or eclampsia as the Mayo clinic site stated and the case STO made the claim about, both was about a LIVE fetus, because nothing elsewas stated otherwise."
But you were there, lilLynne!
Doesn't matter that I've already stated I don't know ( I __ DON'T __ KNOW ) if the fetus expired in utero.
Guess you must have stepped out of the room when my mother didn't tell me what I don't know.
Ya ol' crab.
Lynniekins thinks she knows EVERYTHING STO, dontchaknow? Recently I posted about my BIL's sister's passing, due to eclampsia. It DOES happen, and she's an idiot.

But Lynne has to stick to that Mayo page because it says exactly what she NEEDS it to say. She ignores everything else that's said MORE, like this link:

"The only known treatments for eclampsia or advancing pre-eclampsia are abortion or delivery, either by labor induction or Caesarean section."

http://www.news-medical.net/health/Pre-Eclamp...

Or this one:

"The only cure is termination of the pregnancy at a time as favorable as possible for fetal survival."

http://www.health.am/gyneco/more/preeclampsia...

The Mayo clinic may not say the word "abortion", but the FACT is that the termination of the pregnancy IS the only treatment, and that INCLUDES abortion as well as any OTHER method of terminating the pregnancy - ie: delivery. Period.

Lynnie's bullshit notwithstanding.

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#292017 Apr 8, 2013
lil Lily wrote:
<quoted text>
It makes no difference"? Only to other people who don't care about facts.
From the Mayo Clinic link:
"The only cure for preeclampsia is delivery."
Not "abortion", "delivery".
That's right, but it doesn't state that an abortion is never necessary and no one has said an abortion is always necessary. In some cases it is necessary to save the life of the mother.
lil Lily wrote:
A PCer claiming "an abortion" at "8 months" gestation was needed for "preeclampsia", and the Mayo Clinic stating unequivocally that "delivery" is the treatment for preeclampsia and eclampsia, no matter the gestational age, makes a world of difference to people who have integrity in discussion and base their [educated] opinions on FACTS.
The Mayo Clinic said that for this particular women STO is referring to?
lil Lily wrote:
While you want to claim the Mayo Clinic didn't say this or that, how about you provide anything from any medical site that states an abortion is needed for "preeclampsia", as was STO's claim.
If STO had said an abortion is necessary in all cases of preeclampsia I would tell him he's mistaken. But he didn't say that. He was referring to one pregnancy to which he was relaying second hand knowledge of. This girl was a meth addict also, lord only knows what kind of shape the baby was in when the preeclampsia was diagnosed and what shape she was in physically. The effects of Meth and the effects of preeclampsia on the organs are not much different. I can certainly see why an abortion would have been safer in this case. But I'm no doctor and neither are you so I have no need to prove to you that an abortion wasn't necessary in this particular case.
lil Lily wrote:
Until then, you're just dispaying the stupidity of someone who posts her own brand of ignorance to mindlessly and without intelligent forethought defend the ignorance and stupidity of other PCers here.
No you're displaying your stupidity and ignorance in not understanding what you read. No one said an abortion is necessary in all cases.

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#292018 Apr 8, 2013
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
<quoted text>
Lynniekins thinks she knows EVERYTHING STO, dontchaknow? Recently I posted about my BIL's sister's passing, due to eclampsia. It DOES happen, and she's an idiot.
But Lynne has to stick to that Mayo page because it says exactly what she NEEDS it to say. She ignores everything else that's said MORE, like this link:
"The only known treatments for eclampsia or advancing pre-eclampsia are abortion or delivery, either by labor induction or Caesarean section."
http://www.news-medical.net/health/Pre-Eclamp...
Or this one:
"The only cure is termination of the pregnancy at a time as favorable as possible for fetal survival."
http://www.health.am/gyneco/more/preeclampsia...
The Mayo clinic may not say the word "abortion", but the FACT is that the termination of the pregnancy IS the only treatment, and that INCLUDES abortion as well as any OTHER method of terminating the pregnancy - ie: delivery. Period.
Lynnie's bullshit notwithstanding.
Exactly.

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#292020 Apr 8, 2013
STILL??...The WOMAN Decision to Abort or NOT..IS HER CHOICE!!..
Even the FATHER of the CHILD doesn't EVEN have a RIGHT to CHOOSE for her...SHE has to LIVE with her decision... NO ONE ELSE..JUST HER...
The Prince

Phillipsburg, NJ

#292021 Apr 8, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
Many teens do not realize that being sexFREE (meaning free FROM sex) is a winning advantage. This is why I think it’s important to give teens a list of the freedoms that being sexFREE provides. The top ten winning advantages of being SF (sexFREE) are:
1. Freedom from unwanted teen pregnancy and teen motherhood.
2. Freedom from incurable STDs like Herpes and fatal STDs like AIDS.
3. Freedom to concentrate on school work and participate in fun school activities.
4. Freedom to get all homework assignments and studying done and maintain or improve grades.
5. Freedom to participate in learning programs for future jobs and careers.
6. Freedom to graduate with classmates and receive a high school diploma.
7. Freedom to move on to college or vocational school with no restrictions.
8. Freedom to complete a college or vocational program with a degree or certificate.
9. Freedom to look for and accept good jobs with higher salaries.
10. Freedom to get valuable job experience in a chosen career and take courses to learn more job skills.
Getting pregnant and becoming a teen mother will, most likely, take away most of these freedoms, if not all of them. A teen mom has to put the care of her baby first, which means putting her education second. If she has to study for an important test and the baby is sick, the studying may not get done because she has to care for the baby. That may result in her doing poorly on the exam instead of doing well. If a teen mom wants to attend her junior or senior prom but has no one to watch the baby for her, she can’t go to the dance and has to stay home. If a teen mom is going to college, she may fail one or more classes because caring for her baby or child took priority over completing all her course requirements. A teen mom may even have to drop out of high school or college because she could not take care of her baby and do all her school work at the same time.
By contrast, a teen girl who realizes that being sexFREE (or SF for short) in high school and college is a clear winning advantage will avoid sex with partners during those years. She will keep her freedom to enjoy all the advantages that the SF choice offers. She is free to concentrate in school, get all her class and homework assignments done, attend any dances she wishes, and take part in school activities like working on the school newspaper or yearbook. Best of all, she will graduate with her class and go on to college or vocational school afterward. If she avoids sexual activity with partners during her college or vocational school years, she will continue to enjoy the advantages indefinitely. She may even decide at some point that she prefers the career world over marriage and children, which is a perfectly valid choice. Not all women wish to be wives and mothers.
It is my firm belief that there is nothing good about getting pregnant as a teenager. Teen pregnancy and teen motherhood can impair or even destroy a girl’s ability to get a good education, which is the foundation for good employment. If a girl cannot get a good job because she doesn’t have a high school diploma, poverty may become inevitable. Sadly, many teen girls don’t know how very HARD teen motherhood is until it is too late. They don’t know because no one ever told them, either at home or at school. It is about time that changed.
The “just say no” approach to abstinence-only sex education programs is miserably inadequate because it doesn’t explain WHY teens, especially girls, should say no to sex. The top ten list of winning advantages is a good informational tool to start off with. When a large majority of teens have this information, they may soon begin to realize that enjoying the advantages of the sexFREE choice is a much better option for them than being trapped by the burdens of teen motherhood.
Tell everyone again why women should not want to be women. You are very good at that, pagan.
The Prince

Phillipsburg, NJ

#292022 Apr 8, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
This might help girls see the difference between the two lifestyles of being a free teenager and being a teen mom BEFORE they make the mistake of having sex and possibly ending up pregnant.
If anyone can think of more benefits of lifestyle #1 or negatives of lifestyle #2, please go ahead and add them.
LIFESTYLE #1 - LIFE AS A FREE TEENAGER:
- Keeping up grades, studying, doing homework
- Participating in after-school activities
- Going to school dances and parties
- Relaxing during summer vacation
- Having fun at the junior or senior prom
- Graduating high school and attending after-graduation parties
- Moving on to college or vocational school with no restrictions
LIFSTYLE #2 - LIFE AS A TEEN MOM:
- Missing school, falling behind in classes
- Getting up two or three times at night to feed a baby
- Endless diaper changes, including stinky ones
- Losing friends who don't want to be around crying babies
- Staying home with a constantlty-crying baby while friends are out having fun
- Missing high school graduation, or even having to drop out of school before completing high school
- Losing out on the dream job/career originally planned
As a teenager who is happily NOT pregnant, which lifestyle do YOU want? Wouldn't you rather have the first lifestyle instead of the second?
You can keep Lifestyle #1 very easily, just by saying NO to any guy who pressures you to have sex. If your boyfriend says he'll break up with you if you won't have sex with him, don't cave in. Break up with HIM instead.
Keeping your freedom to BE a teenager; there's no better reason to say no.
As a lesbian pagan, you try to brainwash young women into thinking there is something evil about pregnancy. It is in a womans genetic code to be pregnant. Men and women have a fundamental responsiblilty to procreate.

You just don't get that pagan. Hopefully, young women donot take you old bra burning lez libs seriously. Please, put the bra back on, pagan.
Ocean56

AOL

#292024 Apr 9, 2013
Forum wrote:
A real relationship develops when there is respect.
Men take advantage of women.
Friendship can lead to marriage.
Sex is for when you are married.
And there are married heterosexual adults who DON'T want children and who either use contraception or who have tubals or vasectomies to avoid the unwanted outcome of pregnancy.

Sex isn't ONLY for procreation, no matter how many times you claim otherwise.
Ocean56

AOL

#292025 Apr 9, 2013
The Prince wrote:
Tell everyone again why women should not want to be women. You are very good at that, pagan.
Being a mindless baby factory is NOT a requirement for being a woman, idiot. If some women choose NOT to have children, that is THEIR decision and none of YOUR business.

Motherhood is OPTIONAL, not required, and a woman can choose career instead of marriage/motherhood if that is her choice. You're just pissed that YOU don't get to have a say in women's sexual and reproductive decisions. Too bleeping bad.
Ocean56

AOL

#292026 Apr 9, 2013
The Prince wrote:
As a lesbian pagan, you try to brainwash young women into thinking there is something evil about pregnancy. It is in a womans genetic code to be pregnant. Men and women have a fundamental responsiblilty to procreate.
You just don't get that pagan. Hopefully, young women donot take you old bra burning lez libs seriously. Please, put the bra back on, pagan.
No, Tommydumdum, I'm just pointing out that girls and young women DON'T have to throw away their chances for an education and a career by becoming mothers far too soon.

Contrary to what brainwashed imbeciles like YOU believe, it is NOT in ALL women's "genetic codes" to be pregnant, nor do all men and women HAVE to procreate. Girls can avoid the TRAP of teen pregnancy/teen motherhood by choosing to be sexFREE (free FROM sex) in middle and high school, and they can just as easily choose NOT to have children if they decide they really don't want them.

Marriage and motherhood are both still OPTIONAL, not required. Which means that NO woman has to get married or have children unless she WANTS to do so. Deal with it, LOSER.
Ocean56

AOL

#292027 Apr 9, 2013
REALITY SUCKS FOR TEENAGE MOTHERS

http://voices.yahoo.com/reality-sucks-teenage ...

by Melody Landeros, February 1, 2011

Many people read with disbelief the recent story of ninety teenage mothers or mothers to be at one school in Tennessee. Others walk by the checkout counters and see headlines such as one MTV mother doesn't know who exactly is the father of her baby. More people tune into MTV and watch the latest installment of Teen Mother 2. Ask a teenager and they know of at least one pregnant person in high school. With a country that has so much information and supplies about pregnancy prevention, how do we explain this atmosphere that condones, and encourages young girls to get pregnant as young as twelve.

Many people will say blame the media that projects this illusionary picture of teen motherhood as though it is tough, the pregnancy will workout some way in a positive manner for the young mother. Maybe the pregnancy will and maybe the opposite outcome will occur, but once the cameras are turned off the question becomes how did these young women end up in such life changing situations?

Does peer pressure cause young girls to become women too fast? When the mentality of everyone doing it or an acceptance that somehow being sexually active is a rite of passage at such an early age, many girls have intimate relationships long before they are mentally and emotionally ready to handle the responsibility and the consequences of these choices. Many mistaken sex for love and instead of realizing that sex is an expression of love.

Their need for acceptance and love is so great that if that relationship doesn't fill that void in them, they mistakenly believe a baby will fill that void, when the void can truly only be filled by themselves. Self-love and acceptance will fill the void, not sexual trysts or babies. These young women do not realize that a baby is a life altering event and once mothers, all the self-centeredness of teenage years, the parties, the dances, the going out, are gone and life revolves around the baby who is completely dependent on a mother.

Not only does the expectant mother have a life altering event, so do the family and friends that surround them. Friends may be excited in the beginning with their pregnant friend, eagerly anticipating the birth and the few weeks that follow, but life will again flow for their friends. These friends will continue to be teenagers and have that semi-carefree life, and not wish to be tied down with a friend with a baby. Sounds cruel, but this choice is a reality many teen mothers experience.

Click on link below to read the story in its entirety.

http://voices.yahoo.com/reality-sucks-teenage ...
Ocean56

AOL

#292028 Apr 9, 2013
For all the prochoicers here; have you all noticed that in just about all cases of teen pregnancy, it is usually the girl who gets blamed for getting pregnant but almost never the guy who GOT her pregnant? I have, and it drives me nuts. The idea of blaming ONLY the girl is idiotic, but most anti-choice morons are BACKWARD enough to support it.

Personally, I think the question of WHOSE idea was it to have sex in the first place really needs to be asked in these cases. I believe it DOES matter, because after all, it takes TWO people, a girl AND a guy, to create a pregnancy.

That being said, I also think it is vital for girls to realize that whatever dreams they have of a college/vocational education and a job/career after that could easily be destroyed if they make the mistake of having sex and possibly getting pregnant.

IMO the most important question a girl who has dreams of education and career after high school must ask herself is: "is having sex worth having all my education and career dreams ruined if I get pregnant?" The obvious answer to that is "NO, it is NOT worth the risk of getting pregnant and then being stuck with a baby. It is NOT worth my having to give up all my dreams of a good education and career. So I will NOT do it, even if a guy says he'll break up with me."

Asking and answering that ONE vital question could make it much easier for a girl to dump an immature boyfriend who keeps pressuring her to have sex. Guys who keep pressuring girls to have sex before they've even graduated high school aren't worth keeping as boyfriends in the first place. So ladies, if a guy threatens to break up with you if you don't have sex with him, DON'T give in. Break up with HIM instead.

Since: Sep 08

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#292031 Apr 9, 2013
lil Lily wrote:
http://www.medicinenet.com/pre gnancy_preeclampsia_and_eclamp sia/article.htm
"Preeclampsia occurs after the 20th week of pregnancy and can even occur in the days following birth."
IF PCers cared about facts, looked it up, and IF they could understand what they read, they'd see that not one reputable medical site states abortion is needed or is treatment, for any reason, for preeclampsia or eclampsia.
As usual, you're wrong Lynne.

If YOU cared about facts, you'd learn to comprehend what you read, and understand that SOMETIMES, abortion IS the "cure".

Plenty of reputable medical sites DO discuss ending the pregnancy - SOME even use the word abortion as I've proven.

" http://www.news-medical.net/health/Pre-Eclamp... ;

"The only known treatments for eclampsia or advancing pre-eclampsia are abortion or delivery,"

"Once the course of preeclampsia has begun, it cannot be reversed and the health of the mother must be constantly weighed against the health of the baby. In some cases, the baby must be delivered immediately, regardless of gestational age, to save the mother's and/or baby's life."

http://www.preeclampsia.org/health-informatio...

Read 'for comprehenstion' Lynnekins. Is the Pre-eclampsia Foundation reputable enough for you? No, they dont use the WORD abortion, but its CLEARLY what they're talking about.

http://www.parentingnation.in/Pregnancy/pre-e...

"Obstetric measures

Therapeutic abortion: in severe cases not responding to treatment.
Preterm delivery if there is:
marked deterioration of the underlying disease.
indication for termination as in pre-eclampsia if it is superimposed.
intrauterine growth retardation.
Delivery at 37 completed weeks as intrauterine foetal death may result from deteriorating placental functions."

http://www.gfmer.ch/Obstetrics_simplified/Hyp...

So as usual Lynnekins - you're not only wrong - you're STUPIDLY wrong.

Tho I do admit its amusing as hell to watch you make an ass of yourself in your stubborness to admit ANYONE has a viable point that goes against your stupidity.

"•The only safest way to cure pre-eclampsia is to abort or deliver the child. If pre-eclampsia is not very serious, then a woman can continue with her pregnancy and deliver her baby normally. In case the problem is very serious, premature delivery of the baby takes place."

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#292032 Apr 9, 2013
Bit-O-Honey wrote:
Gee. One ignorant liar takes a break Ink, and the other OCD freak who is an even BIGGER liar comes back, lily or lynne or whatever name she's using today.
They must work in shifts. I wonder if Topix pays them? Because there' has to be at least ONE psychotic PL'er here at all times.
ROFLMAO! Yeah, they have each other on speed dial....

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#292033 Apr 9, 2013
STO wrote:
<quoted text>
"In the cases of "delivery" for preeclampia or eclampsia as the Mayo clinic site stated and the case STO made the claim about, both was about a LIVE fetus, because nothing elsewas stated otherwise."
But you were there, lilLynne!
Doesn't matter that I've already stated I don't know ( I __ DON'T __ KNOW ) if the fetus expired in utero.
Guess you must have stepped out of the room when my mother didn't tell me what I don't know.
Ya ol' crab.
Dontcha know STO, that because you didn't state EVERY WORD the way she wanted you to, you MUST be lying?@@

Not to mention she ignores what words you DID state very clearly that doesn't fit Lynne's agenda?
Katie

Renton, WA

#292034 Apr 9, 2013
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
<quoted text>
As usual, you're wrong Lynne.
If YOU cared about facts, you'd learn to comprehend what you read, and understand that SOMETIMES, abortion IS the "cure".
Plenty of reputable medical sites DO discuss ending the pregnancy - SOME even use the word abortion as I've proven.
" http://www.news-medical.net/health/Pre-Eclamp... ;
"The only known treatments for eclampsia or advancing pre-eclampsia are abortion or delivery,"
"Once the course of preeclampsia has begun, it cannot be reversed and the health of the mother must be constantly weighed against the health of the baby. In some cases, the baby must be delivered immediately, regardless of gestational age, to save the mother's and/or baby's life."
http://www.preeclampsia.org/health-informatio...
Read 'for comprehenstion' Lynnekins. Is the Pre-eclampsia Foundation reputable enough for you? No, they dont use the WORD abortion, but its CLEARLY what they're talking about.
http://www.parentingnation.in/Pregnancy/pre-e...
"Obstetric measures
Therapeutic abortion: in severe cases not responding to treatment.
Preterm delivery if there is:
marked deterioration of the underlying disease.
indication for termination as in pre-eclampsia if it is superimposed.
intrauterine growth retardation.
Delivery at 37 completed weeks as intrauterine foetal death may result from deteriorating placental functions."
http://www.gfmer.ch/Obstetrics_simplified/Hyp...
So as usual Lynnekins - you're not only wrong - you're STUPIDLY wrong.
Tho I do admit its amusing as hell to watch you make an ass of yourself in your stubborness to admit ANYONE has a viable point that goes against your stupidity.
"•The only safest way to cure pre-eclampsia is to abort or deliver the child. If pre-eclampsia is not very serious, then a woman can continue with her pregnancy and deliver her baby normally. In case the problem is very serious, premature delivery of the baby takes place."
"The only safest way to cure pre-eclampsia is to abort or deliver the child. If pre-eclampsia is not very serious, then a woman can continue with her pregnancy and deliver her baby normally. In case the problem is very serious, premature delivery of the baby takes place."

My youngest was born under these circumstances. After I was admitted to the hospital on Christmas Eve following an OB appt. My oldest went full term, but the pre-ecclampsia began rearing its ugly head toward the end of that pregnancy. My second full term pregnancy was designated high risk right toward the end of the first trimester due to protein in my urine. Why that op acts as if I don't know what I'm talking about is beyond me. Apparently STO is right. She was there, a fly on the wall, during all my OB appts.

:-|
grumpy

Pomona, NY

#292036 Apr 9, 2013
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm sorry you don't understand BraveSpammer's post. Have a small child explain to you that "post birth abortion" and "post birth terminations" means the same thing. And then they can explain to you that both are non-existent.
The problem is that the poster had the wrong sequence of words. The poster was probably trying to say "post abortion birth". There are times when the aborted fetus shows signs of life.

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