Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

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Thousands of abortion opponents marched from the National Mall to the Supreme Court on Tuesday in their annual remembrance of the court's Roe v. Wade decision.

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<quoted text>Gosnells clinic in Philadelphia was not a member of the NAF.
True, they didn't let him into their little fraternity, but they also didn't report the dangerous and filthy conditions that they found, did they?

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Yes Inkstain, we get all this. NOBODY has said the NAF isn't culpable.
However, NAF isn't a government agency. Why didnt PA's OWN HEALTH DEPARTMENT report them and shut them down in 17 years?
Where were the PL protesting groups who could have been seeing the terrible conditions and harrassing ... oh of course I meant speaking to the women and realising how bad the conditions were and reporting them?
Seems your PL groups are only good at lying when "investgating" clinics huh?
"Why didnt PA's OWN HEALTH DEPARTMENT report them and shut them down in 17 years?"

Because our pro"choice" govenor said that inspecting abortion "clinics" would be putting a barrior up for women who wanted abortions.

"When pro-choice Republican Tom Ridge took over for Casey, the report says,

...[t]he Pennsylvania Department of Health abruptly decided, for political reasons, to stop inspecting abortion clinics at all. The politics in question were not anti-abortion, but pro. With the change of administration from Governor Casey to Governor Ridge, officials concluded that inspections would be "putting a barrier up to women" seeking abortions. Even nail salons in Pennsylvania are monitored more closely for client safety. Without regular inspections, providers like Gosnell continue to operate; unlawful and dangerous third-trimester abortions go undetected; and many women, especially poor women, suffer."

http://www.phila.gov/districtattorney/PDFs/Gr...

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Seems that the health departments in a few states need to step up to the plate.
I wonder if the Nationa Abortion Federation inspected any of them.
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Nice assumption on your part. How do you know he even existed, nevermind where he was?
Christianity is a beutifulo ancient religion but unfortunately too many christians make us all look like fools with lack of knowledge. LEARN ABOUT CHRISTIANITY BEFORE YOU TRY TO DISCUSS IT!!! People like you make us all look stupid!!!!

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Why would we hear ANYTHING from the NAF? Its not like this is a public organization that puts out regular press releases, good, bad or otherwise. Its not an organization that one can subscribe to, to recieve 'news and updates'. NAF is a private organization that unless one belongs to it, we WONT hear from them.
Since he wasn't a member of the NAF, there's no reason why they'd make public statements about a clinic they werent part of.
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Really? I've never seen them say anything at all about abortion protests. Of course, as I've said, I didn't know anything ABOUT the NAF before you brought it to my attention back when Gosnell was first arrested. The average person has never heard of this group - and for good reason, its a trade organization, and one RARELY hears about trade organizations unless they're PART of that organization.
I think the BETTER question is:
In a state that has some of the most restrictive laws against abortion, who has less than 25 abortion clinics, WHY DIDN'T THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT MONITOR THEM ALL on a regular basis?
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Initally they did. Why would they STILL be speaking out about someone that's been closed down and is in jail on murder charges? What more do you want them to say?
They made a public statement at the time.
http://www.prochoice.org/news/releases/201101...
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Do a google search, they are covering it - particularly locally.
People that are interested can keep track of what's going on in the case. There was mention of the case the other night on World News Tonight, as well as on Meet The Press and NPR.
http://www.npr.org/2013/03/28/175459510/penns...
In fact, in the above report, there's discussion about why the health department failed so spectacularly in the Gosnell case, as well as a discussion from State Rep Margo Davidson who had one of her relatives die after Gosnell murdered her.
Even she doesn't give a shit about the NAF who has no real power, but is MUCH more concerned about why her own state's HEALTH DEPARTMENT failed her cousin.
It IS being reported on Sue. Just not every day. There's more news going on in the world than just this murderer.
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Really? I guess that depends on where you live. I can't remember the last time I saw any coverage of protests at a clinc either in Baltimore or here in New York.
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No, it appears to me that its simply an old news story, that's being updated as events warrant it.
"Why would we hear ANYTHING from the NAF? Its not like this is a public organization that puts out regular press releases, good, bad or otherwise. Its not an organization that one can subscribe to, to recieve 'news and updates'. NAF is a private organization that unless one belongs to it, we WONT hear from them."
"Really? I've never seen them say anything at all about abortion protests."

Check out their website, they have plenty to say about protests.

"Since he wasn't a member of the NAF, there's no reason why they'd make public statements about a clinic they werent part of."

See my last post.

"In a state that has some of the most restrictive laws against abortion, who has less than 25 abortion clinics, WHY DIDN'T THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT MONITOR THEM ALL on a regular basis?"

"In fact, in the above report, there's discussion about why the health department failed so spectacularly in the Gosnell case, as well as a discussion from State Rep Margo Davidson who had one of her relatives die after Gosnell murdered her.
Even she doesn't give a shit about the NAF who has no real power, but is MUCH more concerned about why her own state's HEALTH DEPARTMENT failed her cousin."

Already addressed this in my last post.

"No, it appears to me that its simply an old news story, that's being updated as events warrant it."

Yea, who cares that women were maimed, abused, and killed and that babies were murdered.

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I disagree, Sue. And I wonder if you're too close to the whole thing to even try to be objective about it. To look at the whole thing with fresh eyes. More clinics are monitored than not across the country -- including what you linked from Chicago. But if you have your way and abortion is criminalized, you will see quacks like Gosnell operating illegally more often than not.
What IS your objective regarding abortion? Do you want women just to wake up one day and NEVER reject an unwanted pregnancy? That's not realistic. Do you want women to have safe, legal abortion available when they decide on it? Or do you want them stuck in a dirty environment to punish them for even choosing abortion?
My objective is to show that just because abortion is legal, doesn't mean that it is safe. Vet clinics are more regulated and inspected than abortion "clinics" are.
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You are right, it is a waste of time expounding on common knowledge.
We need to bring people TO Christ not drive them away!!!

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"So tell me, do you think the dead fetus you held was similar in size to a newborn puppy? That was my thought when I lost my pregnancy at 23 weeks. Or would that be "uncommon knowledge" in your opinion?"

What does size have to do with it?
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YOu twist the scripture with the tongue of Satan.
Hush! The tongue of Satan really!! That's primitive talk! We're in the 21 century! Stop making us look like backwards primitives!!!!
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no, foo was wrong. fetus at 20 weeks is approximately 26cm long or a little over 10 inches.
http://www.babycentre.co.uk/20-weeks-pregnant
It doesn't matter how big or small a fetus is because killing it is still wrong!!!
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Nice of you to admit its YOUR word.
Its funny as hell that you're trying to attribute "YOUR WORD" to the Jewish view and act as if your claims have any validity.
ESPECIALLY when the first sentence of your link refutes your own claims.
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No Inkstain, YOUR concept of hell is NOT "out there" for those of the Jewish faith. YOUR concept of hell is a christian creation, and one we dont believe in.
Who is "we"? You have a mouse in your pocket, pagan?
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Hush! The tongue of Satan really!! That's primitive talk! We're in the 21 century! Stop making us look like backwards primitives!!!!
Really fecess, you really think you are fooling anyone? You are not that clever, pahgan. You are barely an oar ahead of bitter, and that isn't good.
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feces for jesus wrote:
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It is unfortunate that your religion has distorted the meaning of the word much. Please stop trying redefine Hebrew, Greek and Norse beliefs.
Gehenna is not your christian lie of hell
Sheol is not your christian lie of hell
Hades is not your christian lie of hell
Tartarus is not your christian lie of hell
most christians, including jonnycakes, are full of you.
oo-gaa !!!
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Katie wrote:
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Since you missed this when it was supplied to Ink, I'll supply it again for you.
"Note: Babies are measured from the crown (or top) of the head to the rump (or bottom) until about 20 weeks. After that, they are measured from head to heel. This is because a baby's legs are curled up against the torso during the first half of pregnancy and very hard to measure.
Weight: 10.6 ounces - 300 grams
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(crown to rump) 6.5 inches - 16.5 cm
(crown to heel) 10 inches - 25.5 cm."
http://www.baby2see.com/development/week20.ht...
Being a hard-head doesn't work so well after your 20s. Get with it, man.
thanks. what you provided clearly establishes that the crown to rump measurement is "not" the actual fetal measurement. by saying that the legs are "curled up and difficult to measure" acknowledges that they are not included in the measurement and therefore the crown to rump measurement at this stage is understood not to represent the actual fetal size.
are you always so pig headed when it comes to admitting you are in err?

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thanks. what you provided clearly establishes that the crown to rump measurement is "not" the actual fetal measurement. by saying that the legs are "curled up and difficult to measure" acknowledges that they are not included in the measurement and therefore the crown to rump measurement at this stage is understood not to represent the actual fetal size.
are you always so pig headed when it comes to admitting you are in err?
Yup.
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Then you admit Foo was correct in stating a 20wk fetus is measured to be about 6 inches long even though you told her she was wrong? Because that's what I verified. Common knowledge both you and Foo were correct in your claims even though you seem too bitter to acknowledge it.
So tell me, do you think the dead fetus you held was similar in size to a newborn puppy? That was my thought when I lost my pregnancy at 23 weeks. Or would that be "uncommon knowledge" in your opinion?
My grandson was about ten or eleven inches long.

That is big enough to hold in your arms. Did you want to argue about the size of his casket too?
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"So tell me, do you think the dead fetus you held was similar in size to a newborn puppy? That was my thought when I lost my pregnancy at 23 weeks. Or would that be "uncommon knowledge" in your opinion?"
What does size have to do with it?
It's to show Ink that she's not the only ones who's suffered a loss. That she shouldn't being trying to criminalize abortion because her daughter or daughter-in-law lost a wanted pregnancy. To show that "common knowledge" isn't always so "common" after all (as it's subjective).
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It is unfortunate that your religion has distorted the meaning of the word much. Please stop trying redefine Hebrew, Greek and Norse beliefs.
Gehenna is not your christian lie of hell
Sheol is not your christian lie of hell
Hades is not your christian lie of hell
Tartarus is not your christian lie of hell
Who cares? Everyone can have their own hell and call it what they want.
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My grandson was about ten or eleven inches long.
That is big enough to hold in your arms. Did you want to argue about the size of his casket too?
No, I've purchased a tiny casket, too.

Unlike you, I'm not willing to use my personal loss as a weapon against women I'll never know.
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In the 60's, archaeologists uncovered carvings specifically mentioning him--but still nothing about jesus. Also, nobody created a cult around him, so there's no reason to make him up.
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And did those cravings mention where he was? No, they only have his name.

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