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“Dan IS the Man”

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#291369 Mar 31, 2013
Ink wrote:
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I am so imperfect. I'm going to try not to insult anyone again.
I said you are a hypocrite. And you are a hypocrite.

“Dan IS the Man”

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#291370 Mar 31, 2013
Ink wrote:
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Maybe you missed the point. This was the conversation that caused me to call her a cockroach. You gave me all your attributes a few posts ago. How does such a good hearted person feel about her response to me?
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My grandson was born at 20 weeks. He was still born but I guarantee you that he was every bit a human being.
His name was Julian. Maybe if your held a child like that in your arms, you wouldn't be so hardassed.
Foo said:
No, it really wasn't a "human being". It was a dead fetus that you named in memory of the human being he MIGHT have become. You aren't holding a 20 week fetus 'in your arms' either, its 6 inches long.
This is harsh, but factual. Maybe if you were more realistic, you wouldn't be such a dumbass.
"This was the conversation that caused me to call her a cockroach."

Caused you? So you didn't choose on your own to do the very thing you're complaining she did? Interesting the way your mind works.

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#291371 Mar 31, 2013
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All you have to go on is bible scripture too.and LNM doesn't believe bible scripture.
No, but I did state that scripture is relevant to a bible discussion. The life of Jesus is told in the Bible, so where else would Foo get her information?
Katie

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#291372 Mar 31, 2013
AyakaNeo wrote:
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Another Gosnell patient, Davida Johnson, noted in an Associated Press article that she intended to go to Planned Parenthood for an abortion procedure, but was scared away by anti-abortion protesters picketing outside the clinic. An acquaintance suggested she go to Gosnell, where protesters (ironically) were not an issue.
Evidence suggests that a number of factors influenced a woman's decision to seek care at Gosnell's clinic: Medicaid's refusal to provide insurance coverage for most abortions; the scarcity of abortion providers in Pennsylvania (and across the nation); the fear of violence perpetrated by protestors at clinics, and the right-wing culture that has so stigmatized abortion that many think it is still illegal 40 years after Roe v. Wade.
Thank you, Ayaka. All evidence points to these unintended consequences becoming the "norm" when abortion is treated as criminal. All anyone has to do is watch what happens in the South American countries where induced abortion's been recently criminalized to see increase in mortality of pregnant women.

But some here think criminalizing it is the answer because if/when women have "illegal" abortions, she can blame no-one but herself for dying.

“Dan IS the Man”

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#291373 Mar 31, 2013
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Thought you didn't believe scripture so how can you say she proved what you don't believe or did you suddenly become a believer of Jewish scripture. Talk about silly.
That particular debate was did Jesus fulfill the requirements of the Messiah. She said no and supported her position. You believe yes, but have not supported your position.

I say no because I don't believe in the factual reality of the scriptures.
Katie

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#291374 Mar 31, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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You are quite wrong. Throughout history, women have been ending their own pregnancies, usually with the help of midwives and herbalists, and it was simply considered no one else's business. When the US was founded, abortion was legal up to the point of quickening, and abortifacients were advertised in local newspapers. In fact, abortion was not outlawed by all states until around 1900, and even before RvW the states were passing laws with exceptions to those bans. So, abortion has been the woman's right, always, and was only illegal here for a very short time, and those laws were unconstitutional. You wanting to make abortion illegal IS taking away something that every woman has, the right to choose. Period.
I have yet to see, even though I've been asking for years, an argument against abortion that is not, at it's core, religious. Every person who has made the claim that they are not basing their arguments on religion that I've argued with, turns out they really are. They're just in denial. There is NO reason to object to someone else making their own choice regarding their own uterus and pregnancy that is not religious at it's core. None.
Exxcellent! Very well said :)
Katie

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#291375 Mar 31, 2013
Ink wrote:
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Do you have a point here or something you think I don't know.
If you have to ask, there's no reason to continue old woman.

“Dan IS the Man”

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#291376 Mar 31, 2013
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You don't believe anything written about Christ so what is the point? If we were to have a discussion on the suject, you would have to accept that we are talking about a real person and you don't. End of subject. You said He didn't exist so let's agree, He didn't exist. Now will anyone ever fit your criteria?
This is one of your overused evasion tactics. This and when you start asking an endless barrage of pointless questions. You don't get how transparent you're being, and that it's clear you're not able to support your claims or refute anything.

Even Cpeter the atheist knows bible history way better than you do.

“Dan IS the Man”

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#291377 Mar 31, 2013
Ink wrote:
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Where was Pilate?
Shouldn't YOU know? Your whole belief system is based on these stories, so don't you even know?

“Dan IS the Man”

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#291378 Mar 31, 2013
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My scripture says He did.
http://www.accordingtothescriptures.org/proph...
Is there one thing in particular that you don't believe H fullfilled?
What is this? It's some dumbed down list where everything was allegedly fulfilled but not at all explained. Foo actually showed each requirement according to scripture and illustrated in some detail how it was not fulfilled.

If I were moderating a debate and asking to be convinced one way or the other Foo would win by a 100 miles.

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#291379 Mar 31, 2013
Long Night Moon 13 wrote:
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That particular debate was did Jesus fulfill the requirements of the Messiah. She said no and supported her position. You believe yes, but have not supported your position.
I say no because I don't believe in the factual reality of the scriptures.
Exactly. She CANT support her position, so she ignores it.

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#291380 Mar 31, 2013
Long Night Moon 13 wrote:
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Shouldn't YOU know? Your whole belief system is based on these stories, so don't you even know?
Of course she doesn't know. This is why she keep deflecting and ignoring what she can't support.

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#291381 Mar 31, 2013
Long Night Moon 13 wrote:
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What is this? It's some dumbed down list where everything was allegedly fulfilled but not at all explained. Foo actually showed each requirement according to scripture and illustrated in some detail how it was not fulfilled.
Lets just take one at random from her "list" and look at it, shall we?

24. Ex. 12:21-27 Christ is our Passover

ROFLMAO I find this one hysterical. "CHRIST" isn't mentioned at all in the Tanakh. Not even REMOTELY. Its not even a prophecy Yet these freaks take Exodus, specifically the 10th plague passage (killing of the first born of EGYPT) and call it about christ??

WHAT BULLSHIT! LOLOLOLOL!!

This part of the Jewish bible has ZERO to do with christ, and certainly isn't a prophecy, let ALONE being a fullfilled requirement for a messiah.

But then, its easy for people making a 'new' g-d to ignore, change and bastardize what they NEED to CREATE prophicies fullfilled.
If I were moderating a debate and asking to be convinced one way or the other Foo would win by a 100 miles.
Its not even about 'winning' IMO LNM. Its about people like Inkstain knowing nothing about their own faith, and not being able to back up the things they claim.

THere's a reason its called "faith", but when one like Inkstain makes claims she can't back up, while I Can and DO certainly and easily refute her claims, its not even a debate, its a debacle.

In order to have a debate, both sides need SOME knowledge, Inkstain apparently has only hot air and hypocricy.

“Reality is better than truth.”

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#291382 Mar 31, 2013
Most likely in caeserea; there is no mention in any secular source that he was in judea. Of course, there's no secular mention of jesus either.
Ink wrote:
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Where was Pilate?

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#291383 Mar 31, 2013
She was possessed by the demon Blattidae.
Long Night Moon 13 wrote:
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"This was the conversation that caused me to call her a cockroach."
Caused you? So you didn't choose on your own to do the very thing you're complaining she did? Interesting the way your mind works.

“Dan IS the Man”

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#291384 Mar 31, 2013
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
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Lets just take one at random from her "list" and look at it, shall we?
24. Ex. 12:21-27 Christ is our Passover
ROFLMAO I find this one hysterical. "CHRIST" isn't mentioned at all in the Tanakh. Not even REMOTELY. Its not even a prophecy Yet these freaks take Exodus, specifically the 10th plague passage (killing of the first born of EGYPT) and call it about christ??
WHAT BULLSHIT! LOLOLOLOL!!
This part of the Jewish bible has ZERO to do with christ, and certainly isn't a prophecy, let ALONE being a fullfilled requirement for a messiah.
But then, its easy for people making a 'new' g-d to ignore, change and bastardize what they NEED to CREATE prophicies fullfilled.
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Its not even about 'winning' IMO LNM. Its about people like Inkstain knowing nothing about their own faith, and not being able to back up the things they claim.
THere's a reason its called "faith", but when one like Inkstain makes claims she can't back up, while I Can and DO certainly and easily refute her claims, its not even a debate, its a debacle.
In order to have a debate, both sides need SOME knowledge, Inkstain apparently has only hot air and hypocricy.
She simply wants to declare herself right and then gets uppity when questioned. And for her to continually ask that we prove a negative while she makes no move to support her claims is ridiculous. She's free to follow any dogma she chooses but when she judges others by her own beliefs she runs into problems.

“Dan IS the Man”

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#291385 Mar 31, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
She was possessed by the demon Blattidae.
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Or she's a student of Flip Wilson.

“Dan IS the Man”

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#291386 Mar 31, 2013
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
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Of course she doesn't know. This is why she keep deflecting and ignoring what she can't support.
It amazes me that these people are so attached to their dogma but don't bother to actually learn about it. They blindly accept whatever comes from the pulpit. You would think they would study and learn all they can about the very thing that is the foundation of their entire life.

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#291387 Mar 31, 2013
Katie wrote:
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Thank you, Ayaka. All evidence points to these unintended consequences becoming the "norm" when abortion is treated as criminal. All anyone has to do is watch what happens in the South American countries where induced abortion's been recently criminalized to see increase in mortality of pregnant women.
But some here think criminalizing it is the answer because if/when women have "illegal" abortions, she can blame no-one but herself for dying.
But here in our great country where abortion is supposed to be "safe", we have a "clinic" like Gosnell's that is able to operate right under the noses of the very people who are supposed to be keeping women safe. It's not that no one KNEW what was going on, they didn't CARE what was going on. Gosnell would still be killing women and children if there hadn't been a drug bust.
Katie

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#291388 Mar 31, 2013
Susanm wrote:
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But here in our great country where abortion is supposed to be "safe", we have a "clinic" like Gosnell's that is able to operate right under the noses of the very people who are supposed to be keeping women safe. It's not that no one KNEW what was going on, they didn't CARE what was going on. Gosnell would still be killing women and children if there hadn't been a drug bust.
For as many times as you've offered this, it's starting to sound like you're making excuses for Gosnel being allowed to operate so long.

Yes, it's clear nobody in your state cared what was going on in Gosnel's clinics. Looked they didn't care much either about his pill mill, but more so than the abortion clinic.

As you say, "...a clinic..." He is one. One. How many more would there be if abortion was completely deregulated and no longer monitored altogether due to being criminalized? How many more are out there now?

I still think Foo is closer to reality regarding lack of caring for the poor rather than lack of caring for women obtaining abortions.

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