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#291348 Mar 31, 2013
Ink wrote:
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My scripture says He did.
Your scripture is written to ignore the parts of the bible you dont like.
Is there one thing in particular that you don't believe H fullfilled?
None of it.

He must be a direct male descendant of King David and King Solomon, his son - "And when your days (David) are fulfilled, and you shall sleep with your fathers, I will set up your seed after you, who shall issue from your bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build a house for my name, and I will make firm the throne of his kingdom forever..." (2 Samuel 7:12 - 13)
The genealogy of the New Testament is inconsistent. While it gives two accounts of the genealogy of Joseph, it states clearly that he is not the biological father of Jesus. One of the genealogies is through Nathan and not Solomon altogether!

He didn't meet this criteria.

He must gather the Jewish people from exile and return them to Israel -"And he shall set up a banner for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth." (Isaiah 11:12)
Are all Jews living in Israel? Have all Jews EVER lived in Israel since the time of Jesus?

He must rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem - "...and I will set my sanctuary in their midst forever and my tabernacle shall be with them.." (Ezekiel 37:26 - 27)

At last check, there is NO Temple in Jerusalem. And worse, it was shortly after Jesus died that the Temple was DESTROYED! Just the opposite of this prophecy!

He will rule at a time when all people will come to acknowledge and serve one G-d - "And it shall come to pass that from one new moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before Me, says the L-rd" (Isaiah 66:23)

There are still millions if not billions of people in the world today who adhere to paganistic and polytheistic religions. It is clear that we have not yet seen this period of human history unfold.

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#291349 Mar 31, 2013
He will rule at a time when the Jewish people will observe G-d's commandments - "My servant David shall be king over them; and they shall all have one shepherd. They shall follow My ordinances and be careful to observe My statutes." (Ezekiel 37:24)

The Torah is the Jewish guide to life, and its commandments are the ones referred to here. Do all Jews observe all the commandments? Christianity, in fact, often discourages observance of the commandments in Torah, in complete opposition to this prophecy.

All of these criteria are best stated in the book of Ezekiel Chapter 37 verses 24-28:

And David my servant shall be king over them; and they shall all have one shepherd. they shall also follow My judgments and observe My statutes, and do them. And they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Yaakov my servant, in which your fathers have dwelt and they shall dwell there, they and their children, and their children's children forever; and my servant David shall be their prince forever. Moreover, I will make a covenant of peace with them, it shall be an everlasting covenant with them, which I will give them; and I will multiply them and I will set my sanctuary in the midst of them forevermore. And my tabernacle shall be with them: and I will be their G-d and they will be my people. Then the nations shall know that I am the L-rd who sanctifies Israel, when My sanctuary will be in the midst of them forevermore.

If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, then he cannot be "The Messiah." A careful analysis of these criteria shows us that to date, no one has fulfilled every condition.

Certainly NOT Jesus.

There ya go Inkstain. Refute it if you can.
Ink

Philadelphia, PA

#291350 Mar 31, 2013
Long Night Moon 13 wrote:
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You can guess whatever you want, but Foo offered an argument well supported by scripture (which is relevant to a Bible based debate) and you cannot seem to counter it. So tell us then, did Jesus fulfill the scriptural/biblical criteria to be the Messiah?
Never mind the evasions and deflections and prove your assertion that Jesus is the Messiah. Prove her wrong...if you can.
Thought you didn't believe scripture so how can you say she proved what you don't believe or did you suddenly become a believer of Jewish scripture. Talk about silly.
grumpy

Pomona, NY

#291351 Mar 31, 2013
Ink wrote:
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You are talking about two different Herods, father and son.
http://billpetro.com/history-of-herod-antipas
The son wasn't a king, even according to this guy Petro.
Ink

Philadelphia, PA

#291352 Mar 31, 2013
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
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The dumb bitch is good at only one thing: showing her hypocrisy.
And interestingly, she seems PROUD of being a hypocrite.
I use you for practice keeping my temper in tow. Sometimes I fail but I'm back on my feet and can easily tolerate you again.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#291353 Mar 31, 2013
The herod referred to in the slaughter of the innocents is clearly herod the great, who died 4 years before your jesus was supposedly born. His son wasn't involved with the jesus story, only john the baptist's.
Ink wrote:
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You are talking about two different Herods, father and son.
http://billpetro.com/history-of-herod-antipas

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#291354 Mar 31, 2013
Ink wrote:
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Maybe you missed the point.
No Inkstain, as usual, YOU miss the point. Deliberately.

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#291355 Mar 31, 2013
Ink wrote:
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All you have to go on is bible scripture too.and LNM doesn't believe bible scripture.
YOU asked for proof, I provided it.

Apparantly you cant refute it, so you're trying to deflect as usual.

You're a failure at that too.

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#291356 Mar 31, 2013
Ink wrote:
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Thought you didn't believe scripture so how can you say she proved what you don't believe or did you suddenly become a believer of Jewish scripture. Talk about silly.
AGAIN, you cam't provide ANYTHING. You asked for proof, and you got it.

Now refute it if you can.

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#291357 Mar 31, 2013
AyakaNeo wrote:
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Another Gosnell patient, Davida Johnson, noted in an Associated Press article that she intended to go to Planned Parenthood for an abortion procedure, but was scared away by anti-abortion protesters picketing outside the clinic. An acquaintance suggested she go to Gosnell, where protesters (ironically) were not an issue.
Evidence suggests that a number of factors influenced a woman's decision to seek care at Gosnell's clinic: Medicaid's refusal to provide insurance coverage for most abortions; the scarcity of abortion providers in Pennsylvania (and across the nation); the fear of violence perpetrated by protestors at clinics, and the right-wing culture that has so stigmatized abortion that many think it is still illegal 40 years after Roe v. Wade.
There shouldn't have been a Gosnell's "clinic" to go to.
Ink

Philadelphia, PA

#291358 Mar 31, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
The herod referred to in the slaughter of the innocents is clearly herod the great, who died 4 years before your jesus was supposedly born. His son wasn't involved with the jesus story, only john the baptist's.
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http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/t...

I don't think you are familiar when the Passion of Christ
Ink

Philadelphia, PA

#291360 Mar 31, 2013
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
<quoted text>Exactly. The only "proof" available is in biblical scripture, and going by THAT, he simply didn't meet the criteria.
That's if you think he even existed. PErsonally, I dont believe he did.
Do you think anybody will ever 'fit the criteria'?
grumpy

Pomona, NY

#291361 Mar 31, 2013
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
He will rule at a time when the Jewish people will observe G-d's commandments - "My servant David shall be king over them; and they shall all have one shepherd. They shall follow My ordinances and be careful to observe My statutes." (Ezekiel 37:24)
The Torah is the Jewish guide to life, and its commandments are the ones referred to here. Do all Jews observe all the commandments? Christianity, in fact, often discourages observance of the commandments in Torah, in complete opposition to this prophecy.
All of these criteria are best stated in the book of Ezekiel Chapter 37 verses 24-28:
And David my servant shall be king over them; and they shall all have one shepherd. they shall also follow My judgments and observe My statutes, and do them. And they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Yaakov my servant, in which your fathers have dwelt and they shall dwell there, they and their children, and their children's children forever; and my servant David shall be their prince forever. Moreover, I will make a covenant of peace with them, it shall be an everlasting covenant with them, which I will give them; and I will multiply them and I will set my sanctuary in the midst of them forevermore.
I was just discussing this book and it was foretelling the creation of The Temple ("In will set my sanctuary in the midst of them forevermore.) Ezekiel was a descendant of a prophet. Prophets were considerred blasphemers who took on the role given to priests in the absence of a Temple.
But notice that David, the supposed ancestor of Jesus, is referred to as a servant as will his progeny.("and my servant David shall be their prince forevermore"). Jesus would not have been God's son.
And the priests, whom Jesus opposed, were those decreed by God to head th Temple. That position was given to Aaron of the trbe of Levi.

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#291362 Mar 31, 2013
Ink wrote:
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Do you think anybody will ever 'fit the criteria'?
Why do you keep avoiding refuting the scriptural evidence? After all, YOU asked for proof, and you were given it.

Back up your claim Inkstain. After all, its easter right? You SHOULD be able to, easily.

We're waiting.....

LOL

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#291363 Mar 31, 2013
Yes I am, but records show that pilate was nowhere near where jesus was supposed to be for their meeting. That trial didn't happen, and thus the meeting with herod didn't happen either. History is against you...not to mention that jesus wasn't charged with crimes in galilee and thus herod would have no jurisdiction anyway.
Ink wrote:
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http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/t...
I don't think you are familiar when the Passion of Christ
Ink

Philadelphia, PA

#291364 Mar 31, 2013
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
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Why do you keep avoiding refuting the scriptural evidence? After all, YOU asked for proof, and you were given it.
Back up your claim Inkstain. After all, its easter right? You SHOULD be able to, easily.
We're waiting.....
LOL
You don't believe anything written about Christ so what is the point? If we were to have a discussion on the suject, you would have to accept that we are talking about a real person and you don't. End of subject. You said He didn't exist so let's agree, He didn't exist. Now will anyone ever fit your criteria?
Ink

Philadelphia, PA

#291365 Mar 31, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
Yes I am, but records show that pilate was nowhere near where jesus was supposed to be for their meeting. That trial didn't happen, and thus the meeting with herod didn't happen either. History is against you...not to mention that jesus wasn't charged with crimes in galilee and thus herod would have no jurisdiction anyway.
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Where was Pilate?

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#291366 Mar 31, 2013
Ink wrote:
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You don't believe anything written about Christ so what is the point?
The POINT is your question regarding what disproves him as messiah. I've provided that, and used scripture to do it.

The key is seeing if you can refure it.
If we were to have a discussion on the suject, you would have to accept that we are talking about a real person and you don't.
ROFLMAO Uh no Inkstain. To have a DICUSSION on this, it simply takes two people willing to be honest and truthful in their convictions and their commentary.

I have been.

You - as usual, make shit up as you go along to aviod having to prove YOUR claims. I've proven mine scripturally, you apparently are too stupid and ignorant of your own faith to back up you OWN claims.
You said He didn't exist so let's agree, He didn't exist.
Hey, if you want to disavow your version of g-d so easily, that's on you.
Now will anyone ever fit your criteria?
Its not MY criteria as you know dear, but SCRIPTURAL criteria.

And yes, we believe that someday, G-d WILL send a Messiah. But he hasn't yet.

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#291367 Mar 31, 2013
Ink wrote:
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You don't believe anything written about Christ so what is the point? If we were to have a discussion on the suject, you would have to accept that we are talking about a real person and you don't. End of subject. You said He didn't exist so let's agree, He didn't exist. Now will anyone ever fit your criteria?
You know Inkstain, in this one post, you've managed to TRULY show what a complete fool you really are.

Theologians that dont agree on scripture have been DISCUSSING scripture for thousands of years. Religious debate is CERTAINLY possible between people of different faiths.

Strikes me that you're just afraid to have anything resembling discussion on faith with people that know more than you do about it, NOT ONLY because you dont have the conviction of your faith, you dont have the knowledge of it either.

“Dan IS the Man”

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#291368 Mar 31, 2013
Ink wrote:
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He spoke also this parable to certain people who were convinced of their own righteousness, and who despised all others. "Two men went up into the temple to pray; one was a Pharisee, and the other was a tax collector. The Pharisee stood and prayed to himself like this:'God, I thank you, that I am not like the rest of men, extortioners, unrighteous, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week. I give tithes of all that I get.' But the tax collector, standing far away, wouldn't even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying,'God, be merciful to me, a sinner!' I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted."
Luke 18:9-14, World English Bible
Also Luke 12: 8-9 might apply
"And I say to you anyone who acknowledges me before men, him will the Son of man acknowledge before the angels of God. But whoever disowns me before men, will be disowned before the angels of God"
"He spoke also this parable to certain people who were convinced of their own righteousness..."

I'm often amazed at the ignorance I encounter on here.

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