Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

There are 314653 comments on the Newsday story from Jan 22, 2008, titled Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision. In it, Newsday reports that:

Thousands of abortion opponents marched from the National Mall to the Supreme Court on Tuesday in their annual remembrance of the court's Roe v. Wade decision.

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“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#288424 Mar 8, 2013
What else do you call someone who impregnates a 13yo?
Susanm wrote:
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Is there a reason that you keep posting this stupid comment?

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#288425 Mar 8, 2013
Tommy presents nothing of substance, just "pagansinnergaywiccan " blathering. What are we supposed to debate, his punctuation?
Long Night Moon 13 wrote:
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So you're admonishing cpeter for making comments as "payback" but say nothing about the "ignorant" insulting comments Tom Tom is making towards him?

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#288426 Mar 8, 2013
Oh, please; you think tommy is speaking without negative intent?
Susanm wrote:
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There is a difference why the comments are being made. Tom Tom is speaking from ignorance, Petey is speaking just to piss him off.
Katie

Auburn, WA

#288427 Mar 8, 2013
Long Night Moon 13 wrote:
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I think on your last point you are very wrong. I'm an atheist yet I don't drink or do drugs, I'm faithful to my spouse, I don't commit crimes, I work at avoiding gossiping about people, and I don't even like swearing or gratuitous sex on TV and in movies. I don't cheat people and actually do nothing that goes against your 10 Commandments that I'm aware of...so how is not believing in God affect the way I live my life? I try to be decent because I just want to be a good person and remembered in a good way, a way that made a positive impact on people's lives, not because I expect some award for it in another life. And I don't think I'm an exception in a world full of decadent atheists. I'm often amazed over how many people I've known, or been acquainted with, who talk about their church and such but then does things like drink and party or cheat on their spouse or pilfer from the company or even make the dirtiest jokes I've ever heard. Belief in God doesn't seem to stop a lot of people from living an indecent lifestyle. Just look at the religious conservative politicians who are corrupt and use their public office for self-gain, just like any other brand of politician. I just don't see where a belief in God keeps people on the straight and narrow.
Hear! Hear!

Since: Feb 07

Location hidden

#288428 Mar 8, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
What else do you call someone who impregnates a 13yo?
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In Biblical times, a 13 year old wasn't considered a child.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#288429 Mar 8, 2013
So we're wrong today and porking 13yo's is okay? Your god approves of it.

Then there's that wham-bam-thank-ya-virgin thing, when that virgin is already betrothed. And then you can add in the deadbeat dad in the sky, leaving another man to raise the kid?

Such a role model, this god of yours.
Susanm wrote:
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In Biblical times, a 13 year old wasn't considered a child.
Gtown71

United States

#288430 Mar 8, 2013
Effigy of the Forgotten wrote:
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God wrote the bible? I must have missed where he signed it.
Continue to cherry pick the bible and whine about how the world isn't how you'd like it to be.
Yes -He either inspired every word, or we can pick and choose those He did or didn't , and if this world is all you want it to be, and getting better, then I'm happy for you :)

Since: Feb 07

Location hidden

#288431 Mar 8, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
So we're wrong today and porking 13yo's is okay? Your god approves of it.
Then there's that wham-bam-thank-ya-virgin thing, when that virgin is already betrothed. And then you can add in the deadbeat dad in the sky, leaving another man to raise the kid?
Such a role model, this god of yours.
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So all the 13yr olds that became pregnant in Biblical times were raped?
Gtown71

United States

#288432 Mar 8, 2013
Long Night Moon 13 wrote:
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I think on your last point you are very wrong. I'm an atheist yet I don't drink or do drugs, I'm faithful to my spouse, I don't commit crimes, I work at avoiding gossiping about people, and I don't even like swearing or gratuitous sex on TV and in movies. I don't cheat people and actually do nothing that goes against your 10 Commandments that I'm aware of...so how is not believing in God affect the way I live my life? I try to be decent because I just want to be a good person and remembered in a good way, a way that made a positive impact on people's lives, not because I expect some award for it in another life. And I don't think I'm an exception in a world full of decadent atheists. I'm often amazed over how many people I've known, or been acquainted with, who talk about their church and such but then does things like drink and party or cheat on their spouse or pilfer from the company or even make the dirtiest jokes I've ever heard. Belief in God doesn't seem to stop a lot of people from living an indecent lifestyle. Just look at the religious conservative politicians who are corrupt and use their public office for self-gain, just like any other brand of politician. I just don't see where a belief in God keeps people on the straight and narrow.
I have no doubt that you're telling the truth, but why do you think God wrote the 10 c's on stone?
He could have used gold or many things, so why stone?

It is becouse you either keep them, or you break them.

This is why The Bible makes clear, that we have all broke them.

If me and you had dirtbikes, that ran on how good we are, or live, and we must both jump the grand canyon, then perhaps mine would only go a few feet, before falling to my death, and you may make it 99% of the way, BUT we would both die.

There is nothing Good in me, except the "imputed " rightousness from God.

A "good " person can be very hard to make understand why they need the free gift of God.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#288433 Mar 9, 2013
Technically, no, since they were married--aother step your deity forgot.

So, again--if your god approves of pregnant 13yo's, why don't we allow it now?
Susanm wrote:
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So all the 13yr olds that became pregnant in Biblical times were raped?
Ocean56

AOL

#288434 Mar 9, 2013
The Prince wrote:
Vladdy is gay. He is an abnormal male as all gay men are. Lesbians are abnormal women. I don't hate them or insult them, I merely state the facts of biology. We are created with a primary purpose of mating and reproducing. Pagans hate that and will not accept the fundamental truth of our existence.
NONSENSE. Being gay/lesbian is just as normal and human as being straight is. You insult them on a regular basis because they don't fit your extremely narrow standards of what "normal" is, then you make idiotic excuses for doing so. Problem for you and other militant religionist morons; only your like-minded buddies are buying your stupid "arguments."

This ISN'T the 19th century anymore, and both women and men get to decide for THEMSELVES as individuals when or IF they will mate and reproduce. If some of us choose either not to be parents at all, or to have just ONE child and no more, that is EACH person's decision and none of YOUR business. Nor is it the business of any church or state. Militant religionists like you hate that and will not accept the fundamental truth that people don't HAVE to "mate and reproduce" if they don't CHOOSE to do so. Too bad.

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#288435 Mar 9, 2013
Ink wrote:
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You said the bitter water would cause an abortion if the woman has been unfaithful.
I said that is not what the Bible says.
What is "the curse" that the bitter water is to bring about after she drinks it and time as passed? My interpretation is, she will be barren (thigh will rot). Barren doesn't just mean not to be able to conceive but it also means no live children will be born. Perhaps she was already pregnant with her husbands child, slept with another man (no fear in getting pregnant if she already was). The bitter water would cause no harm if it were the husbands child and cause a miscarriage (abortion) if it were not. Regardless, well educated theologians agree there is no direct scripture in the Bible condemning abortion and the scriptures are open to interpretation.

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#288436 Mar 9, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
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I have no doubt that you're telling the truth, but why do you think God wrote the 10 c's on stone?
He could have used gold or many things, so why stone?
It is becouse you either keep them, or you break them.
This is why The Bible makes clear, that we have all broke them.
If me and you had dirtbikes, that ran on how good we are, or live, and we must both jump the grand canyon, then perhaps mine would only go a few feet, before falling to my death, and you may make it 99% of the way, BUT we would both die.
There is nothing Good in me, except the "imputed " rightousness from God.
A "good " person can be very hard to make understand why they need the free gift of God.
Hello he was in the desert up on a mountain what else was he gonna use? Microsoft Word?
Ink

Philadelphia, PA

#288438 Mar 9, 2013
STO wrote:
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Hey Ink! Did you miss my questions regarding your interpretation of the Law of Jealousies?
Ink wrote: "I think it says she will get a hell of a bellyache and maybe even some kind of infection that would cause her to be sterile."
How would those body responses prove her infidelity?
How would she or anyone else know she was sterile?
What if she was sterile before drinking the bitter water; how would that prove anything?
It probably wouldn't do any of those things either. As I tried to say earlier, I think it was just the threat of what the bitter water 'could' do that would elicit a confession.

I through in a worse case senario to appease you as you couldn't seem to grasp what I was saying.
Ink

Philadelphia, PA

#288439 Mar 9, 2013
AyakaNeo wrote:
<quoted text>What is "the curse" that the bitter water is to bring about after she drinks it and time as passed? My interpretation is, she will be barren (thigh will rot). Barren doesn't just mean not to be able to conceive but it also means no live children will be born. Perhaps she was already pregnant with her husbands child, slept with another man (no fear in getting pregnant if she already was). The bitter water would cause no harm if it were the husbands child and cause a miscarriage (abortion) if it were not. Regardless, well educated theologians agree there is no direct scripture in the Bible condemning abortion and the scriptures are open to interpretation.
Possible, but every woman brought before the priests would have to be pregnant to be effective and that isn't likely.
Ocean56

AOL

#288440 Mar 9, 2013
If girls and women think school or work is hard now, they should know that becoming a mother will be ten times harder. Many mothers and grandmothers don’t tell young girls and women in their family exactly how hard motherhood truly is, for reasons known only to them. I strongly disagree with the practice of keeping girls in ignorance of this. I believe they NEED to know what being a mother will require of them, so they can make an informed decision about being a mother, even if it means some girls will decide not to be mothers at any point in their lives. That is just fine if some don't want to be mothers. Not all girls or women are suited to be moms, and choosing NOT to be a mother is just as valid as the choice to be one.

Some of the hardships mothers of all ages will face once a baby arrives include -- but are not limited to -- the following:

1. Loss of freedom
2. Loss of sleep
3. Loss of money
4. Loss of education and job/career opportunities
5. Loss of mobility
6. Loss of private time
7. Dealing with colic

There is no escaping the fact that becoming a mother makes a girl’s/woman's life much HARDER and she loses most, if not all, of the benefits and comforts she had before she got pregnant. Too many girls/women are PRESSURED into having children by family members and/or religious community, and purposely aren't told just how very hard motherhood is until AFTER they have had a baby. I think it is high time that changed. If some girls/women decide they don't want the hardships of motherhood, that is fine. The choice for a woman to be childfree is just as valid and respectable as the choice to be a mother.
Ocean56

AOL

#288441 Mar 9, 2013
What girls and young women need to know about the HARDSHIPS of motherhood, but their relatives refuse to tell them:

HARDSHIP #1: LOSS OF FREEDOM - Having a baby really does change everything, including the freedom that girls and women used to have in abundance. Once the baby arrives, that freedom will be gone, for at least the next five or six years and possibly longer. Teen girls and young women who become moms can forget about going out with friends, whether to the movies, to hang out at their favorite restaurant or coffee shop, or anywhere else for that matter. If they do go out, they’ll have to take the baby with them if their parents refuse to babysit. If the baby is sick or very cranky for any number of reasons, girls will end up staying home instead of going out. Girls who are still in middle or high school will find it much harder to do their homework assignments or study for exams when they have to care for a baby as well. It will be a very long time before girls get any of their former freedom back.

HARDSHIP #2: LOSS OF SLEEP - The first thing girls and women have to know about motherhood is that newborn babies do NOT sleep eight hours a night. All mothers, myself included, can honestly say that babies can – and do – wake up during the night as many as two or three times. Each time the baby wakes up, mom has to get up with the baby, feed the baby, change the baby’s diaper (which could be a messy one), and then get the baby back to sleep. When my son was a newborn baby, there were nights where I got NO sleep whatsoever. Luckily for me, I had completed high school and post-high school education long before that, so I didn’t have to get up at 5:00am to go to school after having almost no sleep. Those who are teen moms will not be so lucky.

HARDSHIP #3: LOSS OF MONEY - Whatever money a girl/woman used to spend on herself will have to be spent on the baby, and that cost is far more than most girls could begin to anticipate. These costs include diapers, food, clothing, baby equipment (car seat, crib, stroller, baby carriers, baby and child toys, etc.) and so much more. Anyone who wants to do the math can begin their research by going to their local grocery store and checking out the baby food and diaper sections. Just make sure you have a notebook and calculator, because you will need to multiply those costs for each item several times per week. That’s just for food and diapers, you haven’t even started on the costs for clothing, baby equipment and toys. That will add a staggering amount to your calculations, and the sum will be far higher than you could imagine. If you plan to put the baby in day care for any amount of time during the week, you will have to add up those costs too. Get the picture now? Having a baby costs a HUGE amount of money, which many girls and young women simply do not have, unless they have wealthy parents.

HARDSHIP #4: LOSS OF EDUCATION AND JOB/CAREER OPPORTUNITIES – As hard as it is to acknowledge, a working mother of any age cannot have the same kind of freedom, flexibility or mobility as a woman without children has. If a girl cannot complete high school due to the demands of motherhood, she will not be able to go to college or vocational school, as both typically require a high school diploma first. That automatically limits her ability to find good employment, and she may well have to settle for a minimum wage job, which pays far less than what is needed to raise a child comfortably. Girls and women who complete high school may find that many jobs require a college degree or vocational school certificate, and without those, she may still not be able to get a job that pays a decent salary. A high school diploma alone is no guarantee of good employment, but all girls need one if they hope to advance to higher levels of education that their chosen job or career requires.
Gtown71

United States

#288442 Mar 9, 2013
AyakaNeo wrote:
<quoted text>Hello he was in the desert up on a mountain what else was he gonna use? Microsoft Word?
Well I geuss if God was only a man, then I would agree with you, but since He's not just a man -He could've used any thing He wished.
Gtown71

United States

#288443 Mar 9, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
So we're wrong today and porking 13yo's is okay? Your god approves of it.
Then there's that wham-bam-thank-ya-virgin thing, when that virgin is already betrothed. And then you can add in the deadbeat dad in the sky, leaving another man to raise the kid?
Such a role model, this god of yours.
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I geuss I keep forgetting, before a man has his old heart removed and a new one put in "spiritualy ",then he cannot "see " spiritualy.

Don't you think God would be able to supply all needs?

After all, He allowed pharoh to flip the bill for moses diapers and food.:)
Ocean56

AOL

#288444 Mar 9, 2013
HARDSHIP #5: LOSS OF MOBILITY – Those who don’t have children have a rather naďve idea that parents can just as easily take a baby with them whenever they go out. They are half right. Yes, parents can take a baby out with them, but it is far from easy. Even going to the grocery store with a baby can be a huge hassle. First they have to get the baby dressed, which can be difficult when the little one is happy being home and doesn’t want to be dressed to go out. After getting baby dressed, which can take much longer than mom expected, mom then has to put baby into the car seat, get baby out of the car seat when she arrives at the store, then carry baby around until she can find a cart with an infant carrier. Most grocery stores have very few of those, as I personally discovered long ago. Some may not have any. Going to a restaurant with a baby can also be very stressful, especially if baby suddenly begins crying or screaming for unknown reasons. Mothers who walk into restaurants with screaming or crying babies will find themselves the object of hostile stares, which usually last until they finally have to leave.

HARDSHIP #6: LOSS OF PRIVATE TIME – When a baby arrives, a mom will quickly find that she doesn’t have privacy any more. If she used to read books for hours with few or no interruptions, that will no longer be an option for her. If she is a teen mom who needs quiet time to complete her homework assignments or study for important final exams, that won’t be possible either. A baby will demand her attention many times during the day, so she won’t have private time for doing the things she enjoys or needs to complete.

HARDSHIP #7: DEALING WITH COLIC – For girls/women who are unaware, colic is a long period of crying, screaming and shrieking that can last for many hours a day, and even all night. It can begin when the baby is as young as three weeks old, and it can go on until the baby is five months old. My son had colic for almost two months as an infant. For me, it seemed more like two years. During that time, the crying usually began in the early evening and would last until past midnight. I would walk around the small apartment, carrying him in my arms, for hours trying to comfort him, but nothing I did really worked. He wouldn’t eat, and he most certainly didn’t sleep, and I was a wreck as a result. Being deprived of sleep, with a colicky baby on top of that, can really feel like torture for a mom after a while. I was no exception.

Girls and young women who have no children now need to know about these hardships long before a pregnancy ever happens, so they can PREVENT unwanted pregnancy to the best of their ability. If some girls/women decide they never want to struggle with the hardships of motherhood, that is fine too. The choice for a woman to be childfree is just as valid and respectable as the choice to be a mother, no matter what others may say.

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