Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

There are 310378 comments on the Newsday story from Jan 22, 2008, titled Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision. In it, Newsday reports that:

Thousands of abortion opponents marched from the National Mall to the Supreme Court on Tuesday in their annual remembrance of the court's Roe v. Wade decision.

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#262419 Oct 7, 2012
Long Night Moon 13 wrote:
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Apparently she's never read Zach or tomtom's work. Or Seattle's for that matter. Three very prolific vile name-callers.
But that's okay, they're on HER "side". LOL!

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#262420 Oct 7, 2012
Doc Degall wrote:
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Maybe it wasn't the best of analogies. Why not ask Bitter if she's in a jewelry store and attempts to steal a diamond ring by ingesting it, does she own it because it is inside of her ???
Still not a very good analogy because if it's in a jewelry store it belongs to the jewelry store owner that purchased the diamond to put in the store. A fetus before it's a fetus is an ovum, that ovum is in an ovary which is inside the woman already. Does she own her ovary? If she owns her ovary, she owns any ovum she produces. If the ovum is fertilized she logically owns 50% of it, legally 100% unless the state she lives in has interest then she has to give birth or induce an abortion. If she induces an illegal abortion at which point the state has interest and the state doesn't prosecute what does that tell you about the state legislation on abortion? Tells me the state doesn't actually take an interest in the fetus but their interest is more in oppressing women. When is a gall stone in your gall bladder not your gall stone? Or a kidney stone in your kidney?

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#262421 Oct 7, 2012
elise in burque wrote:
<quoted text>A year of clinicals counts to anyone in the business. I know what I'm talking about because this has been my focus of study for a long time. Btw, you have never been pregnant, you will never even be close to it. You will never be in a position to having to decide whether to have an abortion or not. Isn't it interesting that you criticize me for having an opinion about nursing but you spout yours about women's reproductive issues as if you have some experience of it. I am qualified to speak one both subjects. Are you?
Just saying:-) Have a nice night, Doc.
Applause!!!

xoxox

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#262422 Oct 7, 2012
Doc Degall wrote:
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What does this even mean ? So anyone who has never worked one second as a nurse can still call themselves a nurse ?
<quoted text>If they have an LPN, RN, BSN, MSN, there are all kinds of degrees in nursing. You just have to have one to call yourself a nurse.
To what.....work as a nurse ? Or call yourself a nurse ? Or both ?
To call yourself a nurse, you don't actually have to have patients, or give a shot, or hook up an IV (work) to call yourself a nurse. If you go to a doctor and you're the first patient after he's graduated, gotten his degree and passed his exam, he's still a doctor isn't he? If he weren't you wouldn't go. But you know this already. I get that you're just needing to insult her for something.

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#262423 Oct 7, 2012
Huskerlicious wrote:
<quoted text>And abortion is murdering a living human being no matter WHAT.
In your mind.

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#262424 Oct 7, 2012
Huskerlicious wrote:
<quoted text> You are a fool,no surprise there. God will ask you why you believe that while He has His foot on your head shoving you to you know where.
And all the while his other foot is up yo backside.

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#262425 Oct 7, 2012
elise in burque wrote:
<quoted text>You don't have to be an experienced nurse to know what I told you in the post he chose to critique. Just like you don't have to be a pregnant woman to know what Doc says he knows about pregnancy. He just thinks I shouldn't talk about being a nurse. Sorry if I seem immodest, but no one has to read or pay attention to my posts.
So true lol, what could a man no about pregnancy unless he's been pregnant. Same logic he's using. You hit that nail on the head, good on ya.

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#262426 Oct 7, 2012
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Ayakaneo: "No one said a D&C for a spontaneous abortion was an elective abortion. Everyone has been telling you the procedure, the D&C is the exact same procedure done during an elective abortion."

They didn't say it was called an "elective abortion", and I didn't claim they did. PLers have been saying that D&C's are not used as an "abortion procedure" in cases of a spontaneous abortion, but PCers still want to insist they are. D&Cs are used to clean out the uterus, but are not charted or documented as an abortion procedure in any way, shape or form. Ayakaneo and Googleiscious have agreed. Now they can stop trying to educate us and start trying to educate the boneheaded PCers who keep trying to claim a D&C after a miscarriage is consdered an abortion procedure.

Elise asks why I go on about D&Cs. Because she claims to be a nurse and doesn't even know this basic stuff, but posts as though she's some expert here in the field of medicine.



Foo, Carbon, CPeter and Elise are PCers who have claimed that a D&C after miscarriage is an abortion procedure, and it's now been proven to Ayakeno, who claimed, "No one said a D&C for a spontaneous abortion was an elective abortion."



I think we can all agree that if the fetus is dead in utero, it's a spontaneous abortion/miscarriage. Here are Elise and Foo in the present saying the same stupidity they said in the past. Which I showed in posts last night.

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Elise: "If the fetus is dead the woman is still pregnant and an abortion is performed to terminate the pregnancy and evacuate the uterus. An abortion is an abortion is an abortion as far as medicine is concerned. I don't know why you go on about that and about D&Cs, Lily."

Elise is saying a D&C is an "abortion pocedure" after miscarriage.

Oct. 7, 2012

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Foo: "If a woman has a dead fetus in her, then yes, it IS an abortion procedure to get rid of the dead fetal matter."

Foo is saying a D&C "IS an "abortion procedure" after miscarriage.

Oct. 6, 2012

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Foo: "...I at NO time EVER made the claim that a D&C is an "abortion procedure for the treatment of an incomplete spontaneous abortion"..."

She said she never claimed it, "at NO TIME EVER", but she made the claim a day later. Just as she made the claim back in Jan of this year.

Foo's such a mess and such a patholigical liar, she can't even recognize she's made 2 statements that completely contradict one another. Funny stuff.

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#262427 Oct 7, 2012
Hadn't completede a sentence in prior post:
...D&Cs are used to clean out the uterus, but are not charted or documented as an abortion procedure in any way, shape or form...(when used after a miscarriage).

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#262428 Oct 7, 2012
John-K wrote:
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Hiya "La!"
Good to see you my friend!
We're getting by.
Look "up..."
:)
Hiya "JK"!

Look up!!

: D

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#262429 Oct 7, 2012
Doctors don't perform "an abortion" FOR an abortion, and a miscarriage is a spontaneous abortion. Why is a miscarriage called a *spontaneous* "abortion"? Because the "abortion" part already happened. The fetus died, pregnancy is terminated.

Dimwits.

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#262430 Oct 7, 2012
Doc Degall wrote:
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What is this ? Have the years on this forum removed all traces of common sense from your brain ?
There is nothing in the list of physiological functions that you list above that says they may NOT require to some medical assistance to continue....NONE. If there are then show them to me !
And why do you conveniently leave off this which is directly from your link and right above the list of function you just mentioned :
"This development must be independent of any connection
with the mother and supported only by generally accepted MEDICAL TREATMENTS."
Here's more from your own link :
"Whatever the boundaries are for viability, there is always a chance that a viable infant may be born after a prediction of nonviability by gestational age.
When this occurs, the premature infant clearly must be cared for in accord with accepted medical practice."
See that stupid ? A VIABLE infant born MUST be cared for with accepted medical practice. But according to you if it needs medical asistance it is NOT viable.
And STILL more from your own link :
"Further, these criteria for viability are based on
CURRENT TECHNOLOGY, which is subject to change. Accordingly, the criteria should be reviewed periodically"
And yet STILL MORE from that same link :
"Thus, the determination of viability is influenced by whether the fetus is inside or outside the uterus, and by the TECHNOLOGY AVAILABLE FOR SUSTAINING LIFE"
Your own link is swarming with evidence that refutes your definition and backs up mine.
You continually provide links that prove you wrong.
How stupid is that ?
She keeps providing links to what she thinks is proof of her claims, and all it ever does is make it more than obvious she can't read for comprehension, and has no sense to speak of.

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#262431 Oct 7, 2012
Katie did the same thing when she provided links to try to back her 'fetus is a fetus until born, breathing and cord is cut' stupidity. All it proved was she can't read for comprehension, and doesn't have the intelligence or sense to realize that.

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#262432 Oct 7, 2012
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
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Babbling bullshit deleted for uncomprehanding stupidity.
***pat pat*** If you need to think that to get through the day Lynniekins, you just do that dear. ROFLMAO!
If a woman has a dead fetus in her, then yes, it IS an abortion procedure to get rid of the dead fetal matter. I have a friend that was pregnant with twins. One was dead, strangled by the chord of the other. They ABORTED the one twin, and delivered the other. This happens quite often.
The POINT that you keep purposfully missing with your inaine babbling is that the D&C IS A D&C NO MATTER WHAT ITS USED FOR. The PURPOSE doesn't matter. The END RESULT IS THE SAME, an EVACUATED UTERUS.
You're not only stubborn in your absoulte and pathetic desperation to be "right", you're stupid too.
It would be sad if you weren't so determined to be an ass in the process.
"...If a woman has a dead fetus in her, then yes, it IS an abortion procedure to get rid of the dead fetal matter...
...The POINT that you keep purposfully missing with your inaine babbling is that the D&C IS A D&C NO MATTER WHAT ITS USED FOR. The PURPOSE doesn't matter. The END RESULT IS THE SAME, an EVACUATED UTERUS."

Haven't missed that point at all, and what you said isn't the point at all. The point is, you and other PC claimed it's "an abortion procedure". Yesterday you denied having said that, and here you are today saying it is, NC. That's the point.

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#262433 Oct 7, 2012
Haven't missed that point at all, and what you said isn't the point at all. The point is, you and other PC claimed it's "an abortion procedure" (***after miscarriage***). Yesterday you denied having said that, and here you are today saying it is, NC. That's the point.

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#262434 Oct 7, 2012
lil Lily wrote:
IHere's a post from Elise on the topic of miscarriages and D&C, and her idiocy
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/abortion/T833...
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elise in burque wrote:
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~"She doesn't get that it doesn't matter whether the fetus is alive or dead, the procedure is the same. When she finds out she is wrong, she will make up some lame excuse. She is tiresome and tedious."~
Not once does this alleged nurse correct any of the PCers calling a D&C as treatment after a miscarriage "an abortion", but instead posts that her friends get it and I don't.
I replied,
~"It's not an "abortion" procedure, I don't care how many times you people claim it is.
The expulsion of the necrotic tissue of a dead fetus is not an abortion, and the procedure done isn't for "abortion" purposes.
All this talk and not one of you has provided a link to prove what you're saying is true. Except Foo using something in MS Magazine."~
So Elise and Foo can lie about knowing that D&C's used after miscarriage are NOT abortion procedures. But the truth that they were calling it that back in Jan. is in the thread, and easily accessible to provide. We PLers are the ones who knew that and were educating the PCers about it, including miss nursey.
Lil when you have experience in the medical field and you are talking about "procedure" a procedure is the steps taken to do the treatment. This is what Elise and Foo and I and the others have been referring to when saying "abortion procedure". A D&C is a step in treatment of an abortion no matter if it's spontaneous or elective provided there is still fetal tissue that remains in the uterus. Some medical professionals do refer to it as an abortion procedure some will not say abortion, but miscarriage because of the sensitivity of the subject. I personally don't care about providing you with proof because if you believed you were 100% correct you wouldn't need proof that a D&C is a step in both types of pregnancy loss.

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#262435 Oct 7, 2012
elise in burque wrote:
<quoted text>You don't have to be an experienced nurse to know what I told you in the post he chose to critique. Just like you don't have to be a pregnant woman to know what Doc says he knows about pregnancy. He just thinks I shouldn't talk about being a nurse. Sorry if I seem immodest, but no one has to read or pay attention to my posts.
He just resents the fact that you're right. Don't let someone who calls themselves "Doc", yet isn't a "doctor", put you on the defensive.

It's quite obvious you know what you're talking about, e.

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#262436 Oct 7, 2012
elise in burque wrote:
<quoted text>The termination of a pregnancy is an abortion. If the fetus is dead the woman is still pregnant and an abortion is performed to terminate the pregnancy and evacuate the uterus. An abortion is an abortion is an abortion as far as medicine is concerned. I don't know why you go on about that and about D&Cs, Lily. We all know what all these terms mean. Tell me what to tell you that will give you peace and allow you to put this all to rest. I'm serious. What do you want?
"If the fetus is dead the woman is still pregnant and an abortion is performed to terminate the pregnancy and evacuate the uterus. An abortion is an abortion is an abortion as far as medicine is concerned...
... We all know what all these terms mean..."

lol sure you do, miss forum medical expert.

How do doctors perform an abortion AFTER an abortion already occurred? They DON'T, because it's not necessary to abort an abortion.

A miscarriage IS an abortion, a spontaneous abortion, and you claim doctors then perform an abortion using a D&C, AFTER a pregnancy already spontaneously ABORTED? No, they use a D&C simply to remove what already spontaneously aborted. It's not documented as "an abortion".

"I don't know why you go on about that and about D&Cs, Lily. "

Because of fools who keep posting misinformation and then lie about it.

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#262437 Oct 7, 2012
_Bad Axe wrote:
<quoted text>good post La,
Thanks BA.

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#262438 Oct 7, 2012
Huskerlicious wrote:
<quoted text>And abortion is murdering a living human being no matter WHAT.
Actually, knit, no it isn't. Now you know this. Why are you being so silly?

Hey, I get that you want it to be illegal. I get that you want abortion to stop, completely.

But making it illegal (making it murder) won't stop it. If you really and truly want abortion rates to fall ( I know *I* do), then I suggest you push for ways to make that a reality.

Making it illegal is *not* one of those ways.

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