Irish return many players, have a lot...

Irish return many players, have a lot to work on in '08

There are 67 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Nov 29, 2007, titled Irish return many players, have a lot to work on in '08. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

As Notre Dame learned during its 3-9 football season, there are no quick fixes, especially against a schedule that included 10 bowl eligible teams.

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Trent

Louisville, KY

#1 Nov 30, 2007
can't wait for next year. I've been saying that all year. lol.
Lets go Hoosiers

United States

#2 Nov 30, 2007
Did I miss the section on improving the coaching? I didnt see it.

And about the scheduling changes.....they should have done that years ago. It doesnt pay to play tougher competition anymore in college football. Its ALL about going undefeated or trying to lose only one game and have that loss be early rather than late.

Lose to PSU & GT vs win against Washington & UNC. You should always be taking the "W's". I mean lets be honest here, for years ND has been getting BCS bowl games they had no business being in, so they should always just be trying to get to 11-1 or 10-2. Let the national media push them into a BCS game talking about how great the glorious ND is only to watch them get crushed again.

To be honest I am still shocked ND isnt playing in the Sugar Bowl this year.........well actually they havent made the announcement yet so there is still a chance.
Reality HITS

Duncan, OK

#4 Nov 30, 2007
College football has become a joke. There is no clear cut Champion..Parity is here and without a playoff you're just wasting time. The NCAA want this to keep making more money..If the people REALLY WANTED a playoff: Stop going to all of the Bowl Games and then they will listen...Until you HIT them where it hurts you will always have a team like the Buckeyes (who don't deserve it) who might slip into the Championship game. I want be watching too much College football it this happens...
Football

Indianapolis, IN

#5 Nov 30, 2007
Notre Dame is going back to what they have done in the past, Schedule lesser talented opponents so that they can win games and make it to a Bowl game where they can be crushed on national television.
MLR

Delaware, OH

#6 Nov 30, 2007
Give Charlie a chance...He has had one bad season in the time he has been at ND. If you sit back and look it isn't the coaches that are playing the actual game. He can't go out on the field and hold the players hands to make sure that they run the play correctly. He must trust that his players will do it correctly. Look at how many times Lou Holtz or Knute Rockne had a losing season. The article said that their starters were not veteran starters. I happen to be at the Georgia Tech game this year and they played their hearts out. If you were a true Irish fan you would take after the ND student body and support the coach and the team no matter if they win or lose. Go Irish!!
THINK

Whitestown, IN

#7 Nov 30, 2007
Notre Dame won't be any better next year the schedule will just be weaker. Why doesn't Notre Dame join the Big East conference in football? They don't want to share there money with any others and it would be more difficult to qualify for a BCS bowl since they would have a hard time winning the conference. If they are to good for the conference in football why let them play in other sports? Notre Dames football is now history!!!!!
Stay independent

Lima, OH

#9 Nov 30, 2007
THINK wrote:
Notre Dame won't be any better next year the schedule will just be weaker. Why doesn't Notre Dame join the Big East conference in football? They don't want to share there money with any others and it would be more difficult to qualify for a BCS bowl since they would have a hard time winning the conference. If they are to good for the conference in football why let them play in other sports? Notre Dames football is now history!!!!!
Why should ND join the Big East for football? Have you seen their refs? ND, if Bowl eligible, get the Big East #2 tie-in to a bowl, anyway
Dr Zorba

Sarasota, FL

#10 Nov 30, 2007
Tools wrote:
Choke on this all of you tools who criticize the Irish for having a weak schedule...
"The Irish played the 16th most difficult schedule in the country. Every Big Ten team played a schedule ranked 31st or worse, according to statistics guru Jeff Sagarin. Ten of Notre Dame's 12 opponents became bowl eligible and their opponents' combined record was 82-58."
You people are morons. The academies are ALWAYS tough, and they are going to bowls. You sad sacks need to kneel and pray towards South Bend every day of your miserable lives, so that you may even be ALLOWED to see college football. If not for ND, it wouldn't exist! Now STFU!
in case you didn't notice, nd did not invent college and has no monopoly on it. i kneel to worship god, and nd is not god, although for you blastphemous nd fans god takes a back seat. you're no better than the money changers in the temple. repent!
WHAT Now

Duncan, OK

#11 Nov 30, 2007
I am from South Bend, and was a chief critic of the Irish this year, but they will return to their old form, I kind of like the fact that they had such a tough schedule, going weaker kinda sucks, If Clausen ends up being a Tim Rice instead of a Ron Powlus they might do really well, they have the makings, but it will be up to the quarterback development. They haven't had a good back at that position since McDougal
lincoln

Covington, KY

#12 Nov 30, 2007
If Clausen's developement is key, there won't be much thunder shaking.
Dayne Crist sounds like a possible hope. What is his history, weight, ect.
Although Washington finished in the Pac 10 cellar, there is potental to develope a real rival type series.
Lets go Hoosiers

United States

#13 Nov 30, 2007
Tools wrote:
Choke on this all of you tools who criticize the Irish for having a weak schedule...
"The Irish played the 16th most difficult schedule in the country. Every Big Ten team played a schedule ranked 31st or worse, according to statistics guru Jeff Sagarin. Ten of Notre Dame's 12 opponents became bowl eligible and their opponents' combined record was 82-58."
You people are morons. The academies are ALWAYS tough, and they are going to bowls. You sad sacks need to kneel and pray towards South Bend every day of your miserable lives, so that you may even be ALLOWED to see college football. If not for ND, it wouldn't exist! Now STFU!
Yeah congrats on your schedule. It would help to actually make that tough schedule matter by winning more than 3 games against some of the worst teams in college football.

Choke on this:

PU 7-5
IU 7-5
BSU 7-5
Butler 4-7
ND 3-9
Ind St. 0-11

So even just as far as Indiana teams this past year you rank right in there between Butler and Indiana St.

Keep talking trash ND fans. Just makes you look more and more pathetic. You keep kneeling and praying to ND and Weiss and get real nice and comfortable with mediocrity because that is where you are as a program.

Nice recruiting class. Guess what? You have had top 10 classes the past two years under Charlie. The talent is obviously not the problem. Means nothing if you cant coach them up. What is to make us think that will change just because your class went from 6 to 1?
mark may

Sarasota, FL

#14 Nov 30, 2007
lincoln wrote:
If Clausen's developement is key, there won't be much thunder shaking.
Dayne Crist sounds like a possible hope. What is his history, weight, ect.
Although Washington finished in the Pac 10 cellar, there is potental to develope a real rival type series.
charlie has crowned jimmy clausen the king qb. hopefully this new recruit qb is given a chance. maybe he won't look like a deer in the headlights like jimmy does.
Boilerguy

Indianapolis, IN

#15 Nov 30, 2007
WHAT Now wrote:
I am from South Bend, and was a chief critic of the Irish this year, but they will return to their old form, I kind of like the fact that they had such a tough schedule, going weaker kinda sucks, If Clausen ends up being a Tim Rice instead of a Ron Powlus they might do really well, they have the makings, but it will be up to the quarterback development. They haven't had a good back at that position since McDougal
I think you might have meant TONY Rice?
uhh

Elwood, IN

#16 Nov 30, 2007
WHAT Now wrote:
I am from South Bend, and was a chief critic of the Irish this year, but they will return to their old form, I kind of like the fact that they had such a tough schedule, going weaker kinda sucks, If Clausen ends up being a Tim Rice instead of a Ron Powlus they might do really well, they have the makings, but it will be up to the quarterback development. They haven't had a good back at that position since McDougal
You mean Tony Rice??
IrishFan

Duncan, OK

#17 Nov 30, 2007
Football wrote:
Notre Dame is going back to what they have done in the past, Schedule lesser talented opponents so that they can win games and make it to a Bowl game where they can be crushed on national television.
i dont agree with that statement. They have had one the toughest schedules for the last ten plus years. I dont think they have been worse than 30th in a long while. So Say what you want, but they play good teams, just not SEC teams.
Kevin

Fishers, IN

#18 Nov 30, 2007
WHAT Now wrote:
I am from South Bend, and was a chief critic of the Irish this year, but they will return to their old form, I kind of like the fact that they had such a tough schedule, going weaker kinda sucks, If Clausen ends up being a Tim Rice instead of a Ron Powlus they might do really well, they have the makings, but it will be up to the quarterback development. They haven't had a good back at that position since McDougal
Who's Tim Rice? Is he related to Tony?
IrishFan

Duncan, OK

#19 Nov 30, 2007
Lets go Hoosiers wrote:
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Yeah congrats on your schedule. It would help to actually make that tough schedule matter by winning more than 3 games against some of the worst teams in college football.
Choke on this:
PU 7-5
IU 7-5
BSU 7-5
Butler 4-7
ND 3-9
Ind St. 0-11
So even just as far as Indiana teams this past year you rank right in there between Butler and Indiana St.
Keep talking trash ND fans. Just makes you look more and more pathetic. You keep kneeling and praying to ND and Weiss and get real nice and comfortable with mediocrity because that is where you are as a program.
Nice recruiting class. Guess what? You have had top 10 classes the past two years under Charlie. The talent is obviously not the problem. Means nothing if you cant coach them up. What is to make us think that will change just because your class went from 6 to 1?
Lol, Choke on this, did any of those other teams even play 1 team as good as USC, and Good for Ball State, But i wouldnt talk too much trash about IU and Purdue. I enjoyed watching IU play this year but i am trying to remember even 1 top 25 team that they beat to become 7-5, yeah none are registering. ND had a down year, no doubt about it, but seriously, dont come on here and try to compare yourselves to the big boys just yet, beat Ohio St and Michigan, then maybe you can join the conversation.
IrishFan

Duncan, OK

#20 Nov 30, 2007
I am from South Bend, and was a chief critic of the Irish this year, but they will return to their old form, I kind of like the fact that they had such a tough schedule, going weaker kinda sucks, If Clausen ends up being a Tim Rice instead of a Ron Powlus they might do really well, they have the makings, but it will be up to the quarterback development. They haven't had a good back at that position since McDougal

Brady was a lot better than McDougall, McDoughall was just more athletic. But other than that i agree with everything else you said
slipperyrock

Aurora, IL

#21 Nov 30, 2007
Firing verbal barbs won't work for the ND fans, nor does it work for the ND haters. To people who are really interested it would seem that the coaching style and philosophy are what need to be scrutinized.

Are there quality players there, probably. Are the facilities good enough, probably. Are the academic standards hurting recruiting, not if the #1 ranking is correct.

So what was the problem this year? The coaching staff and their philosophy. Also, take a look at the previous two years, young players need to play as part of the development process. For example, how many passes did Sharpley throw last year? This may be a sign of NFL mentality. Similar problems existed at Nebraska, with an ex-NFL head coach. They seldom practiced in full gear. Callahan had a pretty good class coming in next year. Nebraska fired him. I am not suggesting that ND fire Weis. To his credit Weis has admitted he may need some help. That's why he's going to visit with the Patriots staff after the season.

This is not a ND bashing, it comes from a football fan and observer.
Lets go Hoosiers

United States

#22 Nov 30, 2007
IrishFan wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol, Choke on this, did any of those other teams even play 1 team as good as USC, and Good for Ball State, But i wouldnt talk too much trash about IU and Purdue. I enjoyed watching IU play this year but i am trying to remember even 1 top 25 team that they beat to become 7-5, yeah none are registering. ND had a down year, no doubt about it, but seriously, dont come on here and try to compare yourselves to the big boys just yet, beat Ohio St and Michigan, then maybe you can join the conversation.
Funny you mention the big boys. When was the last time ND won a championship? When was the last time they even competed in a BCS bowl game? The big boys do both consistently.

ND is given BCS games because of their ability to get fans into the seats in those games, not because they earned them.

I am not trying to compare IU football to ND football and you shouldnt either. That is like IU basketball fans making themselves feel better by trying to compare themselves to Tulane. No IU didnt play USC (how'd that turn out for you by the way), but while you were playing Duke, Stanford, Army and Navy, IU was still playing Illinois, Wisconsin, PU and Iowa.

PU fans can and should talk all the trash they want by the way. Thats what happens when you lose an in-state rivalry game.

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