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There are 52 comments on the Orlando Sentinel story from Feb 5, 2008, titled Florida State professor says his online music course, which foo.... In it, Orlando Sentinel reports that:

The professor of the online music course that is the focal point of Florida State's investigation into academic fraud by athletes told the Orlando Sentinel he "wrote a beautiful class and it was abused." During ...

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sunnydaze

Anthony, FL

#1 Feb 5, 2008
Olsen said he had "not explained anything to anybody."

"I don't need to explain," he said

Life in Academia..Music Academia..."hopefully this wont cause anyone great stress in the life"....

FSU ATHLETICS...CHEATING at its finest..maybe someone can get a state grant and write a paper on this subject in how to do it BETTER..need that employment incentive
Jeff

Hollywood, FL

#2 Feb 5, 2008
Isn't this a lot like the Univ. of New Mexico scandal some years ago...when classes were conducted in some coach's garage? Tsk, tsk. Corruption and cheating have gone high tech.
HMMMMM

United States

#3 Feb 5, 2008
sunnydaze wrote:
Olsen said he had "not explained anything to anybody."
"I don't need to explain," he said
Life in Academia..Music Academia..."hopefully this wont cause anyone great stress in the life"....
FSU ATHLETICS...CHEATING at its finest..maybe someone can get a state grant and write a paper on this subject in how to do it BETTER..need that employment incentive
---------- I don't want to jump on the blame game wagon here, but I honestly don't see how this teacher is responsible for the students cheating. Unless someone can prove he SET IT UP deliberately as a gold mine for cheats... he's pretty much indicative of the naievty that some people have when it comes to the pressures of school, sports, and the DEMAND by the public and their adoring fans that THEY MUST WIN at all costs. Should he change how the test is given in the future? That is another question - and the answer is - yes, which I believe by my reading here - it has been done. Its just sad that our NEED TO WIN outweighs the cost and the price of education. I mean think on it, these kids dont' seem to realize that 99% of them WILL NOT make it to the Big League... they'll get hurt, or won't be good enough.. so when they sacrifice their EDUCATION for sports, and their college, THEY are bigger losers down the road. But they dont' see it, or maybe, their encouraged to be blind... by the very school who recruitedt them..and wants that WIN more than they want the kid to get his education. So the question remains WHICH CAME FIRST...the cheating, or the ADULTS who pressured the kid to prioritize the school win over HIS FUTURE?
Big Johnson

Spring Hill, FL

#4 Feb 5, 2008
Dadgummit people, move along.....nothing to see here. It's all that dadgummed professors fault. "Spanky" Harts leaving had nothing to do with it. QUICK....CIRCLE THE WAGONS!!!!!!
Nathan

Palm Coast, FL

#5 Feb 5, 2008
The professor isn't responsible.

If a university asks a professor to create a web course for the university's benefit (distance learning is a huge financial benefit to a university), and he does so using the specific criteria and resources that the university provides, why does he need to explain anything? The university should be explaining how they could run such a corrupt advising and tutoring department. To pin this on the professor is irresponsible, and to vilify him for refusing to admit that his course is flawed, or is a breeding ground for cheating, or for refusing to take the first step in an investigation...I admire him for that, actually. It seems as if the university, in an effort to avoid a bigger PR nightmare, actually wants the flak to hit the professor instead.

I teach an online course at UCF. I do my best with the structure and design of the course. It is not to my benefit to teach online, but for the benefit of the students. If they don't want to get anything out of the course, or don't want to take it seriously, or want to devise elaborate cheating methods (with the help of university officials), it is impossible for me to combat this, given the nature of online learning.
sunnydaze

Anthony, FL

#6 Feb 5, 2008
HMMMMM wrote:
<quoted text>---------- I don't want to jump on the blame game wagon... So the question remains WHICH CAME FIRST...the cheating, or the ADULTS who pressured the kid to prioritize the school win over HIS FUTURE?
The kid who wants to be on MTV's show CRIBS..showing off the house, the cars, the bling bling..what degree????..they go to FSU as a preclude for the NFL, use the weights, nutrition, play around all day in multi million dollar facilities paid for by a bunch of people who like to see gladiator type action as a social event evoking those Roman times..and of course, picking the winner..
here we go

Phoenix, AZ

#7 Feb 5, 2008
I've taught online for years. I'm afraid the "experts" who know nothing about higher education and online instruction are going to weigh in here with all the answers. Kind of like the critics of advertising are the only people who know how advertising works. Hey, guess what? Cheating happens in ON GROUND classes, too. I've taught years and sometimes these kids will cheat and you can't see it.
Ms Christian

Harrisonburg, VA

#8 Feb 5, 2008
Cheating on what was probably the world's easiest course? That's what FSU gets from bottom feeding.
one more try

Oviedo, FL

#9 Feb 5, 2008
Ms Christian wrote:
Cheating on what was probably the world's easiest course? That's what FSU gets from bottom feeding.
Have you ever taken a College course, Ms Christian? Doubtfull.
Bubba

United States

#11 Feb 5, 2008
How do you get a FSU Grad off of your front porch? Don't order a pizza.
Gator Fan

Orlando, FL

#12 Feb 5, 2008
What does an UF fan and a FSU fan have in common? They both got into UF.
Ridiculous

Plano, TX

#13 Feb 5, 2008
It's pretty commonly known that if a professor never changes his tests, or at minimum uses the same pool of questions year after year, that someone will get copies and distribute them as "study aids". It is a testament to the laziness of a professor, to me. I think this wasn't a result of online or distance education. It's a result of teachers having lazy testing practices. They'd rather use multiple choice because you just run a Scantron through a machine to grade it. And then they just use the same test questions year after year instead of re-writing them. Students certainly aren't learning much more than memorization these days.
Nathan wrote:
The professor isn't responsible.
If a university asks a professor to create a web course for the university's benefit (distance learning is a huge financial benefit to a university), and he does so using the specific criteria and resources that the university provides, why does he need to explain anything? The university should be explaining how they could run such a corrupt advising and tutoring department. To pin this on the professor is irresponsible, and to vilify him for refusing to admit that his course is flawed, or is a breeding ground for cheating, or for refusing to take the first step in an investigation...I admire him for that, actually. It seems as if the university, in an effort to avoid a bigger PR nightmare, actually wants the flak to hit the professor instead.
I teach an online course at UCF. I do my best with the structure and design of the course. It is not to my benefit to teach online, but for the benefit of the students. If they don't want to get anything out of the course, or don't want to take it seriously, or want to devise elaborate cheating methods (with the help of university officials), it is impossible for me to combat this, given the nature of online learning.
Orlandodolphin

Orlando, FL

#14 Feb 5, 2008
sunnydaze wrote:
Olsen said he had "not explained anything to anybody."
"I don't need to explain," he said
Life in Academia..Music Academia..."hopefully this wont cause anyone great stress in the life"....
FSU ATHLETICS...CHEATING at its finest..maybe someone can get a state grant and write a paper on this subject in how to do it BETTER..need that employment incentive
Sunny I had friends at U of Felons who used to befriend players so they could get copies of the tests...Quit acting like FU is squeaky clean.
sunnydaze

Anthony, FL

#15 Feb 5, 2008
Bubba wrote:
How do you get a FSU Grad off of your front porch? Don't order a pizza.
How do you get a FSU grad of your front porch?

Take away his pan handling cup and his script of FSU Football statistical data and his/her ability to sing the spelling fight song...
Nashville

United States

#16 Feb 5, 2008
Ahhh...the Orlando Sentinel Smack Board.
olebluedog

Orlando, FL

#17 Feb 5, 2008
I would think maintaining academy integrity would be essential to maintaining one's position as a professor. It does not matter how many awards the professor has won in the past, books published,the man was just plain lazy (if not dishonest)and needs to retire immediately. His course, with the same test semester after semester, year after year has devalued the degree of every FSU student who did not cheat.
Ram

Brandon, FL

#18 Feb 5, 2008
It is not the professors fault in the least. I have taken many online courses and saw people cheat in every single one. Not only did people take the tests together, they did assignments together or for eachother, and they also used outside sources to get the answers ( google.com , ask.com ).
sunnydaze

Apopka, FL

#19 Feb 5, 2008
Nashville wrote:
Ahhh...the Orlando Sentinel Smack Board.
Take ANOTHER across the mouth, and again..no crying..You like the SMACK, you LOVE the SMACK..you NEED the SMACK...
Pow right in the kisser!
Susan

Jacksonville, FL

#20 Feb 5, 2008
sunnydaze wrote:
<quoted text>
The kid who wants to be on MTV's show CRIBS..showing off the house, the cars, the bling bling..what degree????..they go to FSU as a preclude for the NFL, use the weights, nutrition, play around all day in multi million dollar facilities paid for by a bunch of people who like to see gladiator type action as a social event evoking those Roman times..and of course, picking the winner..
How interesting that this poster identifies themselves as being from Tallahassee...wanna bet their location is actually closer to a swamp?
By the way, what is a "preclude"?
Is that an idiot's spelling of PRELUDE?

There are online courses offered at every university in this state, and at nearly every university in this country. If some wish to cheat, the honor system is out the window, regardless of the Professor's awards. Olsen's naivete after 35 years is actually not surprising, but rather commonplace among academics. It's the grade, Professor. It's not the beauty of your course.
That's the real tragedy here.

Gotta love the public schools in this state...
Baffled

Tallahassee, FL

#21 Feb 5, 2008
Not a peep about the cheating scandal for weeks and two articles suddenly appear just before national signing day.

Just to finish the job, maybe we'll see another article from the Sentinel begging Glades players to sign with UF.

No agenda here.

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