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West Virginia outlasts Texas in wild shootout

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Payback

Conyers, GA

#22 Oct 31, 2012
Zac wrote:
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Welp, this iz a fine dish-o-crow I'm have'n. A little light on the garlic for my taste, and I would have liked portabellas to go with it, but...what the heck; crow is crow.
For my Mountaineers, it's back to the drawing board. I just hope they've got one big enough, because they've got a lot of work to do. Bad enough the defense has been just plain bad, but when the offense goes south for the winter...
Before the season started, I figured em for 9-3, maybe 10-2. While there were worries a plenty, my biggest were @ Texas, Kansas St, and @ Oky St. In fact, I was certain they'd lose one of the Texas games; if they pulled it out in Austin, they'd likely fall in Lubbock or vice versa. Then they played Baylor, and I thought, so much for my prediction because I knew better than to think that was gonna work all season. I just figured the losses would be more competitive. I didn't figure WVU would get blown out by TX Tech any more than most figured TX would get blown out by Oklahoma.
Kansas St, another ugly game for WVU. Klein was absolutely masterful. Like TX Tech has Doege, K-St has Klein for another year to boot. Their defense was phenomenal. Both of Geno's INT's were directly the fault of one guy who got way up to cause one and snare the other. If they continue the way they're playing, I think K-St may be one of the few teams in the country who can play Bama straight up. I think they'd crush Oregon.
Anyway, too much football left to play.(Who am I kidding? There's NEVER TOO MUCH football.) We'll see who can bounce back, who can keep up the good work, and whose got what left in the tank when it's over.
Well Texas sure hasn't. They damn near lost to the biggest bottom feeder in the B12. Mack "The" Brown is about as close to forced retirement as a bad coach can get.

WV can't take on Oklahoma and get out to the buses with a win. They may have problem with a TCU if they don't cover the back door. ISU and OSU have been known to ruin a day or two.

And don't put lowly KU out to pasture yet. WVU plays them like Texas did, WVU is big trouble. Like I said, the B12 is not the place to be if you like winning all your games.
Zac

Lincoln, NE

#23 Nov 2, 2012
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Well Texas sure hasn't. They damn near lost to the biggest bottom feeder in the B12. Mack "The" Brown is about as close to forced retirement as a bad coach can get. WV can't take on Oklahoma and get out to the buses with a win. They may have problem with a TCU if they don't cover the back door. ISU and OSU have been known to ruin a day or two. And don't put lowly KU out to pasture yet. WVU plays them like Texas did, WVU is big trouble. Like I said, the B12 is not the place to be if you like winning all your games.
Like yourself, I can't figure the Longhorns. They've got talent; there's no question of it. But the inconsistency this year is amazing, especially at QB. All the same, don't give up on Mack Brown just yet. People began to give up on Jo Pa some years back, and he still managed to give em some good seasons; that is before that scandal broke in Happy Valley. I think once Brown figures his team's Achilles Heal, they'll go to a bowl and win it; then, build on that for a better season next year.(It may have not looked pretty, but they still won that game against Kansas. Only a good team can recover & pull it out in the end.)

I was honestly hope'n for a win against the Sooners in Morgantown. Right now, I'll be happy with a win against TCU, and that's far from being a gimmie in any league. I've been reading some articles involving player quotes. WVU's players generally feel that starters' talent level across the board between the Big-12 & the Big East is about the same. As for athleticism and depth, the Big-12 has it all over on the Big East. One can often make up for a lack of athleticism with talent. Well, it also holds true that one can make up for talent with athleticism. When your team has both, and lots more of it, you're gonna come out on top.

As for Kansas, hell; I watched UConn beat the Mountaineers one year. Why can't the Jay Hawks? I don't wanna see it happen, but if WVU continues to play the way they have over the last two games... I was surprised to see Charlie Weiss take another shot at College Football. It seemed as though he lost a lot of respect after his stint at Notre Dame. Like everything else, we'll just have to see how that all plays out. Enjoy!!!
Payback

Carmel, ME

#24 Nov 5, 2012
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Like yourself, I can't figure the Longhorns. They've got talent; there's no question of it. But the inconsistency this year is amazing, especially at QB. All the same, don't give up on Mack Brown just yet. People began to give up on Jo Pa some years back, and he still managed to give em some good seasons; that is before that scandal broke in Happy Valley. I think once Brown figures his team's Achilles Heal, they'll go to a bowl and win it; then, build on that for a better season next year.(It may have not looked pretty, but they still won that game against Kansas. Only a good team can recover & pull it out in the end.)
I was honestly hope'n for a win against the Sooners in Morgantown. Right now, I'll be happy with a win against TCU, and that's far from being a gimmie in any league. I've been reading some articles involving player quotes. WVU's players generally feel that starters' talent level across the board between the Big-12 & the Big East is about the same. As for athleticism and depth, the Big-12 has it all over on the Big East. One can often make up for a lack of athleticism with talent. Well, it also holds true that one can make up for talent with athleticism. When your team has both, and lots more of it, you're gonna come out on top.
As for Kansas, hell; I watched UConn beat the Mountaineers one year. Why can't the Jay Hawks? I don't wanna see it happen, but if WVU continues to play the way they have over the last two games... I was surprised to see Charlie Weiss take another shot at College Football. It seemed as though he lost a lot of respect after his stint at Notre Dame. Like everything else, we'll just have to see how that all plays out. Enjoy!!!
I wished I could say go figure, but a scoreboard says it all. Texas plays decent against Tech, but it really wasn't that decent. Mack Brown was doing the "Oh My God" shuffle a bunch of times. You can see it in his face that he has lost it.

WV is in deep doo-doo from the mental state point of view. This is what happens when a bunch of young guys are built up with big expectations and then thud, the wrong shoe drops. I watched them come off the field and they were just in another world. If they are going to recover enough to get a decent bowl game, their coach needs to start repairing the mental damage.

Ash went through this with the Kansas game. He looked like a drowning rat. The coaches did right by pulling him. WV coach needs to start using the bench as a teacher/lesson. He lost three games and pulling a bunch of uptight, lost in a twilight zone players and letting hungrier kids fill the void, might get a different results.

Other than that-welcome to the B12.
Zac

Lincoln, NE

#25 Nov 10, 2012
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I wished I could say go figure, but a scoreboard says it all. Texas plays decent against Tech, but it really wasn't that decent. Mack Brown was doing the "Oh My God" shuffle a bunch of times. You can see it in his face that he has lost it.
WV is in deep doo-doo from the mental state point of view. This is what happens when a bunch of young guys are built up with big expectations and then thud, the wrong shoe drops. I watched them come off the field and they were just in another world. If they are going to recover enough to get a decent bowl game, their coach needs to start repairing the mental damage.
Ash went through this with the Kansas game. He looked like a drowning rat. The coaches did right by pulling him. WV coach needs to start using the bench as a teacher/lesson. He lost three games and pulling a bunch of uptight, lost in a twilight zone players and letting hungrier kids fill the void, might get a different results.
Other than that-welcome to the B12.
Texas' win last week: The Bad News: It wasn't pretty. The Good News: It was a win. Had WVU won last week, it would have amounted to almost the same thing, but it still would have been a win.

You're absolutely right about damage control. Holgorsen is under threat of losing this team. And Geno Smith is STILL trying to carry too much on his shoulders. He's got 10 other guys around him; use them. If the pass ain't there, run or throw it away. It's as you've already said; we're not talking rocket science here; we're talking fundamentals.

The good news for the Horns this week is they have IA St in Austin. The Cyclones are tough at home. Conversely, WVU has now blown two home stands and face the Cowboys in Stillwater; no place to play for the faint of heart. I'd like to think that if Texas can win there, so can WVU. BUT, TCU scored the 1st 14 there before the Cowboys scored the next 36; and the Frogs just took one in Morgantown. So, I don't know what to expect, save for the boyz give'n it all they got.

Here's to the Horns go'n 10-2 & the Mountaineers go'n 9-3!!!
Payback

United States

#26 Nov 15, 2012
Sorry Zac, but the WV didn't get it. He pulled Geno, let the backup QB come in and bang, the team scored. He puts Geno back in and WV did some scoring. Then went flat against OSU. The backup was pulled too soon, and Geno was left in too long in the beginning.
I appears the coach doesn't have the balance act down yet. Now WV is a bottom feeder in the B12, and there is no decent bowl going to look at them seriously. If WV has the good players, the coach needs to find them for next season.
Did you see what the freshman QB from Texas A&M did to Bama? The B12 is underated, but manages to do a number on folks even after one of it's teams leaves the conference. WV gets it together next year, you will see what I mean.
Zac

Lincoln, NE

#27 Nov 16, 2012
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Sorry Zac, but the WV didn't get it. He pulled Geno, let the backup QB come in and bang, the team scored. He puts Geno back in and WV did some scoring. Then went flat against OSU. The backup was pulled too soon, and Geno was left in too long in the beginning.
I appears the coach doesn't have the balance act down yet. Now WV is a bottom feeder in the B12, and there is no decent bowl going to look at them seriously. If WV has the good players, the coach needs to find them for next season.
Did you see what the freshman QB from Texas A&M did to Bama? The B12 is underated, but manages to do a number on folks even after one of it's teams leaves the conference. WV gets it together next year, you will see what I mean.
How all too easy it is to forget there are THREE phases of football. Offense, Defense, and SPECIAL TEAMS. WVU had a FG kick blocked that would have beaten TCU; instead they go to an extra OT and lose. Then, last week WVU players TWICE get tagged by a punt and turn it over; they have five guys around the ball at the three yard line and it still gets over the end line for a touch back; and they allow a return for a TD. You can't win ball games that way, especially on a field where wins don't dome easy, in a league where every win is earned.

The Horns looked good against IA St; the Cyclones have a good "D." So, that was an impressive win. A&M was absolutely awesome, baby. It really is a shame they left the Big-12, not to mention Nebraska before that. I've always thought the Big-12 was such a great conference. Then, one-by-one, teams started leaving. It made no sense to me, but there it is. What ever happened to that long lost art known as loyalty?

Three BIG games come'n for my Mountaineers. Two left for your Horns. TCU historically has never treated Texas well; then comes K-St. It may look down-hill after Oklahoma for WVU, but at IA St follows and Kansas seems to be peaking. Like you said, "Welcome to the Big-12." Let's GO MOUNTAINEERS, and here's a HOOK EM HORNS for your boyz. Enjoy!!!
Payback

Carmel, ME

#28 Nov 18, 2012
Well, Zac? Let's look at the past two Saturdays. Texas A&M, a Texas football program, takes Bama out of the #1 slot. This weekend, Baylor, another Texas football program, slams the door on Kansas State and it's #1 slot. But then a kid from Westwood High School here in central Texas, and playing for Stanford, trots out onto the field in overtime and boots the winning field goal to beat #1-2 Oregon.

Then there is WV losing by 1 point to Oklahoma in a high scoring game, but let's not digress. WV coaching is not up to speed on when to hold'um and when to fold'um, and have no more excuses for soft losses in the B12, but they are learning with the 1 point loss to OU.

When the football world refuses to recognize the impact that the B12 and Texas teams and players have had on this last days of the BCS, there is no justice. But one thing you and WV can say now, WV is in the toughest football conference in the nation. If WV wins a game in B12, they have done something.
Zac

Lincoln, NE

#29 Nov 21, 2012
Payback wrote:
Well, Zac? Let's look at the past two Saturdays. Texas A&M, a Texas football program, takes Bama out of the #1 slot. This weekend, Baylor, another Texas football program, slams the door on Kansas State and it's #1 slot. But then a kid from Westwood High School here in central Texas, and playing for Stanford, trots out onto the field in overtime and boots the winning field goal to beat #1-2 Oregon.
Then there is WV losing by 1 point to Oklahoma in a high scoring game, but let's not digress. WV coaching is not up to speed on when to hold'um and when to fold'um, and have no more excuses for soft losses in the B12, but they are learning with the 1 point loss to OU.
When the football world refuses to recognize the impact that the B12 and Texas teams and players have had on this last days of the BCS, there is no justice. But one thing you and WV can say now, WV is in the toughest football conference in the nation. If WV wins a game in B12, they have done something.
I used to spend a lot of time on FanBlogs; it's shut down now. I had a buddy there, 1Tomcat; serious Texas fan. He was gerrrate! The one thing he made very clear were the number of players from Texas making an impact upon college football, especially at the highest level. And he's right. Look at the number of Texas players on Oklahoma's roster.

Guess what? WVU's got em too. Paul Millard, back-up QB, is from Flower Mound; Ford Childres, Red-Shirt/3rd string, is from Houston's Kinkaid High. These are the future of WVU football. HC, Dana Holgorsen, knows where to get his players. The problem is this: He doesn't always know where to get his coaches; specifically, Defense.

OK-St had a great offense last year. Who was offensive coordinator? Dana Holgorsen. However, the Cowboys didn't have a good defense; gave up a lot of points & yards. Turn-overs saved their butts time & time again. Who was the DC? DeForest. Holgorsen & DeForest go way back. They've always liked working together; Holgorsen hiring DeForest was a "Good Ole Boy" move. Holgorsen's HC now; as HC he's got to learn you can't pick your buddies and expect to be successful. You've got to pick those who are successful because they're good at what they do.

Now, it's only been one season. DeForest took the defense from a rather complex set of schemes under Jeff Casteel to something a little more simplified, but it's still new to the players. It's only fair to give it time. You can bet your Navy beans, however, that AD, Oliver Luck, won't be as patient as me.

As for the Big-12, I remember when it was the SWC & the Big-8. I remember some great rivalries between Texas & Arkansas, let alone those between Texas & Oklahoma. I watched Royal lead Texas to 30 straight victories including that epic come-from-behind win against the Razorbacks; Nixon declared them National Champions. When Akers took over they barely skipped a beat...until say the mid-80's.

I wish A&M were still in the conference; it was silly that they departed. I'm just glad the entire conference didn't fall apart as many expected.

Don't worry for me, my friend. I'm used to 7-5 seasons. As a true fan, however, it doesn't matter the record. They were playing hard against the Sooners, despite the set-back. If they can continue to do that, eventually they'll reap the benefits, maybe not this year, but in years to come. Here's to many years of great Big-12 Football. Hook Em! Gig Em! Sic Em! and GO MOUNTAINEERS!!! Enjoy!!!
Zac

Lincoln, NE

#31 Nov 23, 2012
Payback wrote:
You spoke too soon. See what I mean about Texas and Mack Brown. Texas never really gets prepared for a football game. Too much play time, and I don't mean on the field. When they do the turnover thing all day, it's because the kids been out too late the night before. Well, Mack just put them into the Alamo Bowl just down the road.
WV is just about at the point they must win one of two to qualify for a bowl, and that ain't no gimme.
By the way, I noticed two things about WV. If they are in a game where they are swapping points to the very end, they will lose most of those in the B12.
When they are getting the butts handed to them on the scoreboard, their play selection on offense stinks. The big tell-watch what they run for any given circumstance. They have 4 offence plays that only change by the side of the field they run to, or the shotgun which is a give away. Texas does the same thing. I guess it's something Mack learned when coaching at North Carolina.
There's another "tell" Geno's in the habit of. When one foot's forward, it's a running play; when the other's forward, it's a pass. It's been discussed, but he still does it too often.

As for Texas/TCU, I'm only surprised at the score. For some reason, historically speaking, the Horns have had trouble with the Frogs. Not necessarily losses, but definitely too many close calls. Law of averages dictates they'd lose one of em now and then.

As for trading scores, I knew that wouldn't work during the game with Baylor. Even if the defense had been better, had held every opponent to half of what they scored, they still wouldn't have gone undefeated. AND, if they think they're in for an easy ride next week against Kansas, there are at least five teams on the Jay Hawks' schedule that they should talk to. Still, I'm banking on them finishing 7-5 and winding up in the Holiday, Insight, Independence, or Texas bowls. That would be funny; WVU goes up against Syracuse (Big East) in the Texas Bowl. Still gotta beat Kansas. Guess we'll see soon enough. Enjoy!!!
Payback

United States

#33 Dec 2, 2012
Okay Zac, some say WV is going bowling with UCLA. This would be a good test for a WV comeback. And a payback feather for the B12 reputation if WV were to win the game.
Zac

Lincoln, NE

#34 Dec 2, 2012
Payback wrote:
Okay Zac, some say WV is going bowling with UCLA. This would be a good test for a WV comeback. And a payback feather for the B12 reputation if WV were to win the game.
Nope! It's the Pinstripe Bowl against Syracuse. I would have much rather WVU played UCLA. Though, I also rather liked the rumors that WVU might be playing Pitt. It's one of those long rivalries that have fallen by the wayside, more's the pity. Still, WVU had been playing Syracuse every year since 1955. So, they get to play each other one more time. What worries me is, Ryan Nassib made a better WVU defense look absolutely silly last year in the Dome. I can only imagine what he may do on 12/29. Like it or not, Geno is gonna hafta keep up.(Not exactly feather-worthy, is it.)

So, where are the Horns off to?(By the way, that was the strangest officiated game I've seen in a long time.) I thought your Boyz had K-St's number, after McCoy recovered from that 1st INT. He was absolutely brilliant. Yet all they got... Oh, hell, I know you saw it too. Still, the officials had me going; I can only imagine what you must have been think'n.

At least Baylor has improved, making it Five 7-5 teams in the B-12; 9 outta 10 going to bowls (feel bad for Kansas). Even the SEC hasn't done that good. Now, if we can just win all of em. Enjoy!!!
Payback

Carmel, ME

#35 Dec 4, 2012
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Nope! It's the Pinstripe Bowl against Syracuse. I would have much rather WVU played UCLA. Though, I also rather liked the rumors that WVU might be playing Pitt. It's one of those long rivalries that have fallen by the wayside, more's the pity. Still, WVU had been playing Syracuse every year since 1955. So, they get to play each other one more time. What worries me is, Ryan Nassib made a better WVU defense look absolutely silly last year in the Dome. I can only imagine what he may do on 12/29. Like it or not, Geno is gonna hafta keep up.(Not exactly feather-worthy, is it.)
So, where are the Horns off to?(By the way, that was the strangest officiated game I've seen in a long time.) I thought your Boyz had K-St's number, after McCoy recovered from that 1st INT. He was absolutely brilliant. Yet all they got... Oh, hell, I know you saw it too. Still, the officials had me going; I can only imagine what you must have been think'n.
At least Baylor has improved, making it Five 7-5 teams in the B-12; 9 outta 10 going to bowls (feel bad for Kansas). Even the SEC hasn't done that good. Now, if we can just win all of em. Enjoy!!!
Texas plays Oregon St. in the Alamo Bowl. Boy the bowlers had half that one pegged. Then they put Oklahoma in the Cotton Bowl with A&M. Jerry Jones is licking his chops over having a Heisman candidate in his dome. Texas can uphold the B12 honor and show what the PAC12 is made of, but I doubt it. There are rumbles in town about s certain coach being washed up.

Now about 9 out of 10 going to bowls. Oklahoma, by blowing it, lost the B12 $18 million. We couldn't even get an at-large. We get beat out by Louisville?

It's time to go to playoffs and stop this nonsense.
Zac

Lincoln, NE

#36 Dec 4, 2012
Yeah, that Louisville thing is a little hard to swallow. As for play-offs, you got that in one. My only concern is it can get too big. If they come up with one where they limit it to strictly the Top-10 teams, they can have a preliminary round between the bottom 4 teams at the home field of the higher seeded teams:#10 plays at #7; #9 plays at #8. The losers can still be eligible to play in an "also-ran" bowl, while the winners become #8 & #7 respectively. Round 1 gets played, again, on the home field of the higher seed (8 at 1, 7 at 2, etc.). That eliminates 4 more, which again could become eligible to play in another bowl. The Semi-Finals can be played at the Fiesta & Orange Bowls; the Championship can be played at the Rose.(Cotton & Sugar can be used in alternating years.) And there are still all those other bowls which winning teams can go to.

I think you still have to have the bowls because they bring a boon to the local economy in which said bowl is hosted. With this bracket, however, teams losing in the play-offs still have a shot at going bowling, and winning, one more time. This will help reduce some of the 6-6 teams which perhaps shouldn't be playing in the post season. Just my humble opinion, my friend. How would you arrange a play-off?(Inquiring minds want to know.)
Payback

Carmel, ME

#37 Dec 15, 2012
Zac wrote:
Yeah, that Louisville thing is a little hard to swallow. As for play-offs, you got that in one. My only concern is it can get too big. If they come up with one where they limit it to strictly the Top-10 teams, they can have a preliminary round between the bottom 4 teams at the home field of the higher seeded teams:#10 plays at #7; #9 plays at #8. The losers can still be eligible to play in an "also-ran" bowl, while the winners become #8 & #7 respectively. Round 1 gets played, again, on the home field of the higher seed (8 at 1, 7 at 2, etc.). That eliminates 4 more, which again could become eligible to play in another bowl. The Semi-Finals can be played at the Fiesta & Orange Bowls; the Championship can be played at the Rose.(Cotton & Sugar can be used in alternating years.) And there are still all those other bowls which winning teams can go to.
I think you still have to have the bowls because they bring a boon to the local economy in which said bowl is hosted. With this bracket, however, teams losing in the play-offs still have a shot at going bowling, and winning, one more time. This will help reduce some of the 6-6 teams which perhaps shouldn't be playing in the post season. Just my humble opinion, my friend. How would you arrange a play-off?(Inquiring minds want to know.)
Late response: The play off would have to be started by the conferences from day one. You gotta win to reach a regional. All others will have to rank in the top 11-18. They play off using two additional games. The top 10 must be representative of the top five conferences with the best win records. Start playing in December and finish when you have the last two standing.(I know, this is stupid).
Zac

Lincoln, NE

#38 Dec 16, 2012
Payback wrote:
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Late response: The play off would have to be started by the conferences from day one. You gotta win to reach a regional. All others will have to rank in the top 11-18. They play off using two additional games. The top 10 must be representative of the top five conferences with the best win records. Start playing in December and finish when you have the last two standing.(I know, this is stupid).
Be late on here all ya won't. Just don't be late for a game.

There's nothing stupid about the format you suggested. It's just another idea. In fact, it's not entirely new; rather, a variation of a theme I've heard elsewhere.

How ever a play-off is established...

1) The Government should not be involved. A play-off of any kind is no place for the legislature.

2) It can't be allowed to become too big to coordinate. The 64+ headed monster the NCAA Basketball Tournament is aptly named as March MADNESS. WE don't need that kind of madness in College Football.

3) The general "bowl system" must remain intact. These bowl games are an annual boon to those communities which host them. Hotels, restaurants, transportation, local attractions...their entire economy gets a boost as a result. True, some bowls do better than others when it comes to raising revenue. Still, it helps to keep people in jobs, and I'm alright with that.

So, there it is. You've got an idea; I've got an idea; many others have come before us and made their suggestions as well. Whenever it's finally established, it's unlikely it'll look anything like either of us, or even the vast majority, thought it might. And, the only way it's gonna happen, is if somebody can prove it'll make more money than what's happening now.

Till somebody figures it out, Gig-em Aggies, Hook-em Horns, & Sic-em Bears! Oh, and GO MOUNTAINEERS!!!!!!!(Enjoy your holidays!!!!!)

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