Relevance of Civil War Monuments Up for Debate

There are 20 comments on the Jan 17, 2013, NBC29 Charlottesville story titled Relevance of Civil War Monuments Up for Debate. In it, NBC29 Charlottesville reports that:

Organizers say the discussion was important after Vice Mayor Kristin Szakos faced strong criticism for questioning the relevance of the confederate statues.

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Sheesh

Charlottesville, VA

#21 Jan 21, 2013
Our wild west mentality helped pull Europe's chestnuts out of the fire when Hitler was bent on turning an entire race of people into soap, lampshades and ashes. Our wild west mentality has helped keep Europe free for the last 70 years.

The history of Virginia is the history of the United States. To try and hide or re-write any part of that history just because it wasn't pretty and even evil at times, is to deny how far we have come as a country and what has made us who we are as a diverse society. If these statures were ever to be removed, are we also going to tear down Monticello,Mount Vernon or even destroy every building at the University. Are we going to plow under our Civil War battlefields? What about the house located at our most sacred cemetery. After all, Arlington House was the family home of General Lee's wife. He and Mrs. Lee became the owners after his father-in-law died. As we begin to destroy these memorials to the Confederacy and our slave owning forefathers, we'll also have to destroy statues of some of our most famed generals who fought, defeated and destroyed entire tribes of Native Americans. Tribes who lived and thrived here long before the people who settled this country even realized the world wasn't flat. Where do we stop when we try to santize our history and remove reminders of that history?
Bob

Charlottesville, VA

#23 Jan 21, 2013
And how about the "animals" who wear hoodies?
out of control

Covington, VA

#24 Jan 21, 2013
Why try to undo the past? It was what is was. Please keep the statues and use them as a teaching tool. The people that are so disenchanted with Virginia's history, please pack your bags and get on the next train.
DUDE

Purcellville, VA

#25 Jan 21, 2013
These people are the modern day book burners. They really are no better than the Nazis.
Dude

Bumpass, VA

#26 Jan 21, 2013
DUDE wrote:
These people are the modern day book burners. They really are no better than the Nazis.
I may have posted somthing like this, but I try to avoid Godwin's Law except when applicable; though I may have applied the quote, "lest we forget."
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If nothing else, it's a reminder of how far we've come, where we've been, and why we're a republic.
Anonymous

Louisa, VA

#28 Jan 21, 2013
There has been a proud heritage here for the bravery and heroism of Gen.s Lee and Jackson for 150 years. Even the second Yankee invasion, the migration of mamby pamby liberals swooping in from the north, cannot change that. Go back where you belong or embrace the hisory of Virgina 'cause you sure as hell aren't going to change it.
Rush Maddow

Hardy, VA

#29 Jan 21, 2013
They want to forget slavery so bad, but the legacy of slavery is all around them. Vinegar Hill and the subsequent rise of public housing, the ghettos, will forever taint the majesty that Charlottesville tries to have -but as long as they can hide these places by surrounding them gentrificated places full of white people with money... out of sight and out of mind!

Instead of attacking history they should attack the problems. Charlottesville tries to be full of art and education, but none of that is aimed at the poor people and the black people. They live in their own world and all the city can do is try to hide it from tourists and some locals. All the people in town really care about is their own immediate living environment -to hell with everyone else.
Trully amazed

Charlottesville, VA

#30 Jan 21, 2013
Look at the 2 groups that put on this event. There main purpose, it seems is to divide this community. They are a joke. God forbid they say anything good and about anything.
Dude

Bumpass, VA

#31 Jan 21, 2013
Rush Maddow wrote:
They want to forget slavery so bad, but the legacy of slavery is all around them. Vinegar Hill and the subsequent rise of public housing, the ghettos, will forever taint the majesty that Charlottesville tries to have -but as long as they can hide these places by surrounding them gentrificated places full of white people with money... out of sight and out of mind!
Instead of attacking history they should attack the problems. Charlottesville tries to be full of art and education, but none of that is aimed at the poor people and the black people. They live in their own world and all the city can do is try to hide it from tourists and some locals. All the people in town really care about is their own immediate living environment -to hell with everyone else.
You may be on to something in saying we're asking the wrong questions, or attacking the wrong angle.
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I disagree that there aren't resources available to the poor and the various ethinic Americans. There are many posts on this message board attacking those resources, and the abuses that occur with in those programs that make those resources available. There is a great misunderstanding of those that are honestly incapable and those that are conditioned.
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I wonder if the consensus would allow greater temporary allotments ro entitlements to those that report those that abuse the programs that are designed to help those that want to help themselves.
sez you

Charlottesville, VA

#32 Jan 21, 2013
Rush Maddow wrote:
They want to forget slavery so bad, but the legacy of slavery is all around them. Vinegar Hill and the subsequent rise of public housing, the ghettos, will forever taint the majesty that Charlottesville tries to have -but as long as they can hide these places by surrounding them gentrificated places full of white people with money... out of sight and out of mind!
Instead of attacking history they should attack the problems. Charlottesville tries to be full of art and education, but none of that is aimed at the poor people and the black people. They live in their own world and all the city can do is try to hide it from tourists and some locals. All the people in town really care about is their own immediate living environment -to hell with everyone else.
Oh please, catch up. Yeh I love to pull the cord on right wing neanderthals but I also am aware of the problems of the black community many of which they bring upon themselves. Vinegar Hill is history just like slavery and needs to be put in the past so we can move on. Throwing up the past serves no real purpose, we teach it in school and try to put some perspective on it in todays world but to let it become an obstacle is dumb.
Sarg

Charlottesville, VA

#33 Jan 21, 2013
SezYou: Maybe you should go to Norway, where the mass killer of over 70 people gets 2 years in jail--your "progressive" society. And take Szakos with you!
Let Freedom Ring

Charlottesville, VA

#34 Jan 21, 2013
By this logic, you should abolish UVA and implode Monticello. Afterall, Jefferson owned slaves and these institutions are constant reminders of their plight. We should also re-purpose McIntire Park as a parking lot with a different name, since McIntire donated money for the statues. While we are at it, any and all statues of MLK should come down too, since they remind me of the continued oppression that post-civil war blacks suffered at the hands of Southern DEMOCRATS. Lewis and Clark statues need to go also for the servitude of Sacajawea -no record that she was ever paid squat though the rest of the engagees were- not to mention that they failed to give her 12 weeks of maternity leave.

The Civil War was about states' rights. And before you go believing that the motivation of the federal government was primarily because of the humanitarian issues (aka, all men are created equal), think about that same government's treatment of native Americans (the only good Indian is a dead Indian). Personally, I am tired of those who would rewrite history to make it look like the Civil War was fought to rescue slaves, not acknowledging the hypocrisy that it creates with respect to our nation's policy of stealing the land, life and heritage of our native peoples.
Judy

Natural Bridge Station, VA

#35 Jan 21, 2013
sez you wrote:
<quoted text>Norway and other progressive societies in Europe do just fine without the wild west mentality. Oh, your gonna tell me to go there? nope, I'm staying here and do what I can to bring civility to this backward country.
Study your world history, the past 120 years should be enough then tell me you think America is uncivilized.
TEX

Rocky Mount, VA

#36 Jan 21, 2013
Behind the Curtain wrote:
There has been a proud heritage here for the bravery and heroism of Gen.s Lee and Jackson for 150 years. Even the second Yankee invasion, the migration of mamby pamby liberals swooping in from the north, cannot change that. Go back where you belong or embrace the hisory of Virgina 'cause you sure as hell aren't going to change it.
You can say that AGAIN and AGAIN
Fed Up

Charlottesville, VA

#37 Jan 21, 2013
sez you why dont you get the hell out of charlottesville go back under your rock
G Luv

Charlottesville, VA

#38 Jan 21, 2013
Behind the Curtain wrote:
Go back where you belong or embrace the hisory of Virgina...
So very childish.
One Man

Charlottesville, VA

#39 Jan 21, 2013
True but sad it is, that the statues are out of place in Charlottesville. Our climate is far better suited for statutes of Karl Marx, Vladimir Lenin, and Joseph Stalin.
belmont blu

Charlottesville, VA

#40 Jan 21, 2013
I was at that panel discussion and it was a civilized discussion.

One take away question for me, why was the marker in front of the Robert E Lee statue deliberately misleading by not having a reproduction of the actual event picture. At dedication, there were scores of Klansmen in full regalia, this is not evident in the picture that shows the dedication of the Jackson monument.

Why so many Klansmen in 1920 and why the need to mislead by placing an incorrect photo on the marker over 30 years later? There were many good questions such as that.
Bill

New York, NY

#41 Jan 21, 2013
Statues to LOSERS? Sure, why not...if it reminds southern Civil War apologists which side actually won. Do think about that the next time you walk past. As for you unredeemed racists, feel free to keep hiding under your Internet rocks.
Dude

Bumpass, VA

#42 Jan 21, 2013
Bill wrote:
Statues to LOSERS? Sure, why not...if it reminds southern Civil War apologists which side actually won. Do think about that the next time you walk past. As for you unredeemed racists, feel free to keep hiding under your Internet rocks.
It's equally as important as keeping Dachau, or holocaust museums.
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Keep believing the institutional reasoning that the north went to war over slavery. Lincoln was an admirer of Henry Clay and the ACS.
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They are important reminders that we are a republic.

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