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Heisman Trophy: Stanford's Luck knows he's long shot | BuckeyeXtra

There are 23 comments on the Columbus Dispatch story from Dec 9, 2010, titled Heisman Trophy: Stanford's Luck knows he's long shot | BuckeyeXtra. In it, Columbus Dispatch reports that:

Because he does not answer to the name Cameron Newton, Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck is considered a long shot to hear his own name called when the 2010 Heisman Trophy winner is awarded on Saturday night in New York.

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Buckeye Mama

Columbus, OH

#1 Dec 9, 2010
Good Luck Andrew! Let's hope you still have a shot!

The following was copied from the NCAA's NEW website. So much flack they had to update, I guess.
From the page Closing the Cam Newton loophole.

"The decision of the NCAA Student-Athlete Reinstatement Staff to reinstate Cam Newton’s eligibility with no penalty produced a response that was loud and clear. Not one, not two, but four commissioners of major conferences have spoken out. All disagreed with the decision itself and/or expressed worry about the potential impact of the decision going forward. That has prompted a response from NCAA President Mark Emmert stating that the NCAA membership will review the recruiting rules".

It's a great read....
http://www.ncaa.org/blog/2010/12/closing-the-...

“Bleeding Scarlet and Gray!”

Since: Sep 09

Worthington

#2 Dec 9, 2010
Integrity...using that idea, Luck and Moore should be the only two considered as the transgressions off the field of both Newton and James do not show an ounce of integrity.
Dude

Monroe, NC

#3 Dec 9, 2010
A Quote from above. "The Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence and integrity"

The Heisman has become nothing but a political joke.
I believe the word integrity is, and has been ignored at times for some years now.

The recipient of this trophy should be voted for by only one group of people. The active coaches. NOT BROADCAST PEOPLE SUCH AS ESPN.

This is not a hate post. Just one wondering why rules are set up for what ever reason they stand for and then are broken to to fit the situation.
Buckeye Mama

Columbus, OH

#4 Dec 9, 2010
FLABUCK wrote:
Integrity...using that idea, Luck and Moore should be the only two considered as the transgressions off the field of both Newton and James do not show an ounce of integrity.
I agree that Luck and Moore are the only 2 viable candidates. Anyone who puts a stranglehold on his girlfriend in public, is sentenced to 10 days in jail, but, doesn't have to serve them because of overcrowding, is not, in my book, Heisman material. And his crime took place THIS year!
Dude

Monroe, NC

#5 Dec 9, 2010
Just read http://www.ncaa.org/blog/2010/12/closing-the -... from Buckeye Mama's Post 1.

That guy sure is making excuses. What he said was, we know there was solicitation but since we don't know if any money changed hands or not so its ok...

Will be out of here now but will check back later today for other opinions.

I'm sure the win at any cost SEC Trolls will have a completely different outlook.
Buckeye Mama

Columbus, OH

#6 Dec 9, 2010
Oh, where's that guy who kept saying "case closed, move on" ?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...
Johnbuck

Lancaster, PA

#7 Dec 9, 2010
I will not be watching the Heisman award this year.....too much low class dealings .
Will anyone dare to ask Newton's father what went on? Of course not. It will be a time for congratulations and everything that was dirty and underhanded will beforgotten.

No wonder our young kids are getting more and more difficult to teach right from wrong. They look around and right is wrong and wrong is right. Its disgusting.

Andrew Luck's father was a Rhodes scholar who was a WVU quarterback. He was smart, honest and didn't get into trouble. Andrew Luck appears that way also. I wanted Pryor up there....maybe next year....but if anyone should win the Heisman give it to him or the Boise State QB or take the word INTEGRITY out.
Dude

Monroe, NC

#8 Dec 9, 2010
in·teg·ri·ty / inˈtegritē/
• n. 1. the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles; moral uprightness: he is known to be a man of integrity.
2. the state of being whole and undivided: upholding territorial integrity and national sovereignty.
Internal consistency

Sad but true. Good hard working kids do finnish last. Or without.

President Mark Emmert of the NCAA instead of reviewing the recruiting rules please go to the dictionary and look up the definition of INTEGRITY.
Its just that simple.
Dude

Monroe, NC

#9 Dec 9, 2010
PS; ON SECOND THOUGHT.... forget looking up the word integrity. You have to have it before you can understand it.
Anonymous

Columbus, OH

#10 Dec 9, 2010
FLABUCK wrote:
Integrity...using that idea, Luck and Moore should be the only two considered as the transgressions off the field of both Newton and James do not show an ounce of integrity.
Sort of reminds me when Smith won the Heisman...he had lots of integrity too!!!!
Give me the money...that was his integrity!!!

Please take off the glasses......
Buckeye Mama

Columbus, OH

#11 Dec 9, 2010
Cant U See wrote:
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Sort of reminds me when Smith won the Heisman...he had lots of integrity too!!!!
Give me the money...that was his integrity!!!
Please take off the glasses......
If you're referring to Smith's $500.00 incident, I didn't see anyone on this board post that was a proper thing to do either. Smith was also suspended for violation of the NCAA rules and sat out the bowl game. Nobody here is wearing ~ I assume you mean ~ rose colored glasses. Breaking rules is breaking rules.......period!

“Bleeding Scarlet and Gray!”

Since: Sep 09

Worthington

#12 Dec 10, 2010
Cant U See wrote:
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Sort of reminds me when Smith won the Heisman...he had lots of integrity too!!!!
Give me the money...that was his integrity!!!
Please take off the glasses......
Again, put on the glasses and maybe you can see.$500.00 that he gave back and was punished for, followed by a season where he lead his team to an undefeated regular season and put up great numbers, and had no other infraction than his $500.00 handshake that he obviously learned from is a big difference. Put on the glasses, or let us know your team.
Anonymous

Columbus, OH

#13 Dec 10, 2010
FLABUCK wrote:
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Again, put on the glasses and maybe you can see.$500.00 that he gave back and was punished for, followed by a season where he lead his team to an undefeated regular season and put up great numbers, and had no other infraction than his $500.00 handshake that he obviously learned from is a big difference. Put on the glasses, or let us know your team.
I see can see just fine....your vision is a bit clouded though..he took money, he should have been kicked off the team, made to give his taxpayer paid education money back, all of it, and that is it. That is how it should be for any player who gets caught. But, in your sucknut opinion, I am reading that because he gave the money back, it was ok. Makes me wonder how much money he did not admit to take?See where I am coming from, ro do you have your glasses on again? If Newton took money, then boot him off the team, that is how it works. Smith took the money so it should have been bye bye Troy. But OSU has no ethics when it comes to that. Just look at the 30 players who have been arrested while playing for OSU. None of them were booted. Heck you even took a player who got busted with 30 seperate baggies of pot in Flordia before he came to the school. He claims they were for his own use. Wow, guess smoking dope is alright with Tressel, because he took him onto his team.
Foaksy

Rio Linda, CA

#14 Dec 10, 2010
A concern for integrity may not find a basis in this year's allegations (pay for play), but the same Cam Newton was arrested, handcuffed, and charged with Grand Theft in 2008 for "pilfering a laptop." Google "pilfered laptop" and Newton's name to hear more. And wonder, like I am, why no Heisman voter or reporter seems to remember this, or care, or think it indicates anything less than the Heisman standards for integrity. Or what should be the Heisman standards for integrity...

“Bleeding Scarlet and Gray!”

Since: Sep 09

Worthington

#15 Dec 11, 2010
Cant U See wrote:
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I see can see just fine....your vision is a bit clouded though..he took money, he should have been kicked off the team, made to give his taxpayer paid education money back, all of it, and that is it. That is how it should be for any player who gets caught. But, in your sucknut opinion, I am reading that because he gave the money back, it was ok. Makes me wonder how much money he did not admit to take?See where I am coming from, ro do you have your glasses on again? If Newton took money, then boot him off the team, that is how it works. Smith took the money so it should have been bye bye Troy. But OSU has no ethics when it comes to that. Just look at the 30 players who have been arrested while playing for OSU. None of them were booted. Heck you even took a player who got busted with 30 seperate baggies of pot in Flordia before he came to the school. He claims they were for his own use. Wow, guess smoking dope is alright with Tressel, because he took him onto his team.
Actually, Troy Smith was handed an envelope after the Michigan game with $500.00 in it. He didn't spend the money, rather held onto it and after OSU was notified he gave the envelope back and sat two games. Sat a bowl game in fact. Newton was trying to say he wouldn't even play without a huge payout. Big difference. And as far as Berry is concerned, he was caught in high school with some weed. OSU contemplated on whether or not they should take back his scholarship, but Tressel didn't want to give up on a kid in high school that made a mistake. It's called giving a kid a second chance. He made a stupid mistake, and Tressel is the kind of guy that would rather try to help the kid change and grow instead of just kicking him to the curb. That is the difference between Tressel and a lot of other coaches. Even after Clarett tried to badmouth OSU, Tressel stuck by him and helped him through his tough times. Remember, these are young kids. They make mistakes. Cam Newton...well his father was involved. Mr. Church man was pimping his kid for money. Again, HUGE difference.
Anonymous

Columbus, OH

#16 Dec 11, 2010
FLABUCK wrote:
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Actually, Troy Smith was handed an envelope after the Michigan game with $500.00 in it. He didn't spend the money, rather held onto it and after OSU was notified he gave the envelope back and sat two games. Sat a bowl game in fact. Newton was trying to say he wouldn't even play without a huge payout. Big difference. And as far as Berry is concerned, he was caught in high school with some weed. OSU contemplated on whether or not they should take back his scholarship, but Tressel didn't want to give up on a kid in high school that made a mistake. It's called giving a kid a second chance. He made a stupid mistake, and Tressel is the kind of guy that would rather try to help the kid change and grow instead of just kicking him to the curb. That is the difference between Tressel and a lot of other coaches. Even after Clarett tried to badmouth OSU, Tressel stuck by him and helped him through his tough times. Remember, these are young kids. They make mistakes. Cam Newton...well his father was involved. Mr. Church man was pimping his kid for money. Again, HUGE difference.
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Makes me wonder how many other envelopes he was given over the years? Seems that he got caught this one time, but really did he only get one envelope over the year? I find that really hard to belive..........

“Bleeding Scarlet and Gray!”

Since: Sep 09

Worthington

#17 Dec 12, 2010
Cant U See wrote:
<quoted text>.
Makes me wonder how many other envelopes he was given over the years? Seems that he got caught this one time, but really did he only get one envelope over the year? I find that really hard to belive..........
Too bad it never came out...I'm sure if it happened with the NCAA looking into it somehow they would have found out.
Anonymous

Columbus, OH

#18 Dec 12, 2010
FLABUCK wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, Troy Smith was handed an envelope after the Michigan game with $500.00 in it. He didn't spend the money, rather held onto it and after OSU was notified he gave the envelope back and sat two games. Sat a bowl game in fact. Newton was trying to say he wouldn't even play without a huge payout. Big difference. And as far as Berry is concerned, he was caught in high school with some weed. OSU contemplated on whether or not they should take back his scholarship, but Tressel didn't want to give up on a kid in high school that made a mistake. It's called giving a kid a second chance. He made a stupid mistake, and Tressel is the kind of guy that would rather try to help the kid change and grow instead of just kicking him to the curb. That is the difference between Tressel and a lot of other coaches. Even after Clarett tried to badmouth OSU, Tressel stuck by him and helped him through his tough times. Remember, these are young kids. They make mistakes. Cam Newton...well his father was involved. Mr. Church man was pimping his kid for money. Again, HUGE difference.
Berry was caught with 30 different baggies of weed in his car...claimed they were for his own use....whatever...can you say drug dealer.....
ESPN is Crooked

Westerville, OH

#19 Dec 12, 2010
I am sorry Mr John Heisman that they sullied your good name and gave your trophy to a two-bit thug criminal. The media have abdicated their role of holding athletes responsible for their off-field indiscretions. Like someone mentioned here earlier: the media should be stripped of their voting privileges. This is an outrage. A despicable act of cowardice by the sportwriters of this country. No guts. No stones. They are not worthy of our readership. Get rid of the whole lot of 'em. If they cannot bring themselves to make a decision as easy as disqualifying this punk kid from college football's highest honor (see "integrity") they are not worthy to vote on the athletic accomplishments either.

“LSU, 2012 BCS NATIONAL CHAMPS!”

Since: Jun 10

Bama & USC r both going down!!

#20 Dec 12, 2010
Shoot!!!!!! Luck should've won it, not Cam the $CAM!!!!!!!!!!

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