Gophers basketball program has been g...

Gophers basketball program has been good, never great, under Tubby Smith, and it may have peaked

There are 30 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Mar 12, 2011, titled Gophers basketball program has been good, never great, under Tubby Smith, and it may have peaked. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

Despite what happened this season - and maybe because of it - it's fair to say Tubby Smith has done a good job as the University of Minnesota's basketball coach.

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HOLDONAMINUTE

Rochester, MN

#1 Mar 12, 2011
As a Gopher fan, I'm not sure I've ever been more frustrated and disappointed. But that frustration and disappointment is because the Gophers really had a great team in the works. All the drama - immature players, injuries, etc... Unfortunately with all that, I feel the Gophers are now another year or two behind schedule as to where they should be under Tubby. Will they ever be an elite team? kind of doubt it. But they really should be a top 5-6 Big Ten team every year under Tubby.
Jimmer

Saint Paul, MN

#2 Mar 12, 2011
Tubby sure "held the team together" finishing 1-11, U of M sports will continue to suck as long as Maturi is here, he is a joke of an ad who has no vision, one example among many is not allowing Jimmy Williams to coach here. Maturi must go.
poot

Rochester, MN

#3 Mar 12, 2011
Tom Izzo had a bad year. Are they discussing firing him at MSU? Get real people.
John McLicklin

Ann Arbor, MI

#4 Mar 12, 2011
Poot, Izzo's track record at MSU is a bit better than Tubby's here.
gonzaedger

Santa Clara, CA

#5 Mar 12, 2011
Expand your mind and expand your knowledge. There are still jobs out there. Go after a degree in the field of your choice and on demand. Find your field at high speed universities websites to know which are on demand and suitable for you.
sle

United States

#6 Mar 13, 2011
typical, only in this sports starved state could some moron describe this program as "good." so pathetic!
Mark

Middleton, WI

#7 Mar 13, 2011
I'd run Smith out of town after this debacle. He appears to be coasting, does not encourage the guys, cannot run an offensive scheme to save his soul, and the guys have tuned him out in kind. Gopher hoops needs a shot in the arm, not a $2MM has-been who throws his guys under the bus when things go poorly.
Disappointed

Stacy, MN

#8 Mar 13, 2011
Al Nolen on the freshmen. "they just need to tune coach out and play ball" Not a statement you want to hear about the guy that is suppose to be developing these players. Is Tubby's reputation acting as a mask for a feeble coaching staff? Maybe Pitino's recruited Kentucky team tuned him out- just played ball and won a national championship. I am beginning to become skeptical this staff can get it done. "Freshmen playing scared." None of gophers looked like they had any fun playing basketball this year, just a forced mess.
Ben Dreith

Coraopolis, PA

#9 Mar 13, 2011
Get real U of M fans. This should not be a shock. You are now begining to see what U of Kentucky fans and administration knew all along. Tubby's National Championship was a mirage. He won it with Rick Pitino recruits and players! Tubby cannot recruit and has as much energy and enthusiasm as a wet blanket! Maturi, Smith, and Lucia. Need I say more? Our great U of M has never cared for sports and always ducks the spotlight. Nothing is ever going to change. They don't want to win. They are content being a haven for underachieving, terrible stundent athletes. How many of Tubby's charges will actually earn a degree?

Look at the garbage they tried to keep! Royce White and Trevor Mbake? Are you kidding me? Would anyone trust either of these to paragons of virtue to mow your lawn? Why would any institution of higher learning be attempting to lure these two into your school and take a spot that a real student could be occupying? The bottom feeders that this University is forced to go recruit after the top tier schools have taken the good talent is beyond ridiculous! Does anyone remember those other great student athletes we had the privilage of paying to watch? Mitch Lee, Kevin Smith, Todd Alexander. This list goes on and on and on for the good ole Maroon & Gold! They really should shut down operations at the Bierman Building and give it back to its original owners, the Intramural Sports Dept. In the final analysis, the University of Minnesota Athletic Department truely is only an intramural program. There is nothing to be proud of what so ever. Everyone, with the exception of the Track/Cross Country and Wrestling programs should be ashamed
HOLDONAMINUTE

Rochester, MN

#10 Mar 13, 2011
Ben Dreith wrote:
Get real U of M fans. This should not be a shock. You are now begining to see what U of Kentucky fans and administration knew all along. Tubby's National Championship was a mirage. He won it with Rick Pitino recruits and players! Tubby cannot recruit and has as much energy and enthusiasm as a wet blanket! Maturi, Smith, and Lucia. Need I say more? Our great U of M has never cared for sports and always ducks the spotlight. Nothing is ever going to change. They don't want to win. They are content being a haven for underachieving, terrible stundent athletes. How many of Tubby's charges will actually earn a degree?
Look at the garbage they tried to keep! Royce White and Trevor Mbake? Are you kidding me? Would anyone trust either of these to paragons of virtue to mow your lawn? Why would any institution of higher learning be attempting to lure these two into your school and take a spot that a real student could be occupying? The bottom feeders that this University is forced to go recruit after the top tier schools have taken the good talent is beyond ridiculous! Does anyone remember those other great student athletes we had the privilage of paying to watch? Mitch Lee, Kevin Smith, Todd Alexander. This list goes on and on and on for the good ole Maroon & Gold! They really should shut down operations at the Bierman Building and give it back to its original owners, the Intramural Sports Dept. In the final analysis, the University of Minnesota Athletic Department truely is only an intramural program. There is nothing to be proud of what so ever. Everyone, with the exception of the Track/Cross Country and Wrestling programs should be ashamed
You are one seriously misguided fella. I love when people bring up something that happpened in the 80's. Is that Tubby's fault too?
What a joke

Perry, MI

#11 Mar 13, 2011
Did I miss something in the last 4 years since Tubby Smith was hired? He wasn't hired to turn the Gophers into an elite basketball program, he was hired to make them credible and competetive again. He has done a pretty good job of that. Championships are not what makes a good program. This year has been tough and there is question to why so many players have left the program. I suspect most of that wasn't because of Coach Smith, but for more personal agenda reasons.

The Gophers needed the other guards on this team to step up and they just didn't do it. Rodney Williams, for all the hype he got as a potential NBA player didn't show up either. In fact, he always looked to be scared of the ball unless there was a clear path to the basket. What's interesting is that had Devoe Joseph stuck it out and stayed with the Gophers, he would have gotten what he wanted, to be the star go to player and the Gophers would have at least 6 more wins that they have now!

Next year will be a telling year for the Gophers, but I think they will be just fine!
andy g

United States

#12 Mar 13, 2011
If you do not have a point guard to handle the ball, you are not going to win many games in any conference, let alone the Big Ten.
The Gophers are built that way.
The toll it took on Hoffbarber once Nolen was out was clearly visible and that affected the whole offnse.
As far as White, he is gone. He knew he could not abide by Smiths rules. Good for Smith.
The biggest difference between Calipari and Smith...Calipari would have recruuited and played one and done criminals, he sure would have kept White...and when the axe fell, would just move to the next group of well heeled and moral lacking alumni.
How many one and dones has Smith recruited and kept? ZERO. Come here, you go to class.
That is what we wanted. Sometimes wanting a tough disciplinarian and then actually having one is two different things. Kind of like Knight at Indiana. How many NBA superstars did he have in all those years? He made the kids go to class and put the TEAM above themselves.
In this day of self indulgent kids with an over inflated opinion of themselves and the sense of entitlement that goes with that personality flaw, we have a throwback. I like him, and they can keep carpetbaggers like Calipari and Pitino. I am sure that this year was as tough on Tubby as it was on Gopher supporters, but I like what he does and know what happens when the key man on offense and defense, and one of the senior leaders goes down on a team. It affects ever other facet of a team. In a conference as unforgiving as the Big Ten it is a death sentence.
Take a look at the teams they beat when healthy. Particularily on the non conference side. North Carolina, West Virginia (beat Louisville and Connecticutt to end year), Wofford, Akron, and conference wins against Purdue and @Michigan before Nolens injury. All those teams are going to the NCAA tourney.
If Mbawke stays and they can develop a true point guard the future remains bright...though they really have to find a way to defend the three. It killed them this year. Only Ohio State was able to play inside against them.
MVF

Maple Grove, MN

#13 Mar 13, 2011
Disappointed wrote:
Al Nolen on the freshmen. "they just need to tune coach out and play ball" Not a statement you want to hear about the guy that is suppose to be developing these players. Is Tubby's reputation acting as a mask for a feeble coaching staff? Maybe Pitino's recruited Kentucky team tuned him out- just played ball and won a national championship. I am beginning to become skeptical this staff can get it done. "Freshmen playing scared." None of gophers looked like they had any fun playing basketball this year, just a forced mess.
I would have to agree with this. To have a current player say that speaks volumes. While Tubby wants to credit all the departures on special circumstances, the fact is they are leaving and people have a very difficult time leaving programs headed in the right direction.

His lack of developing players in his tenure is noticeable. His ability to run an offensive scheme that players want to play in is very noticeable. For all the praise Tubby has gotten over the years as a "stand up" type coach, how he handled this collapse was anything but. He blamed others and he came off sounding like a moron.

There are actually many similarities on what's going on with the BB and hockey programs at the U. Lack of player development, players exiting, lack of winning, etc.
goffers

Minneapolis, MN

#14 Mar 13, 2011
And WHO else would take this job?? Wow - I hear them knocking on the door...And so many of you h8ers are drawing up plays like you coached before - you should apply for the job.

Tubby is a fine coach, if you lose 2/ 3 key players in a season - very hard to recover from. To all the H8ers - get a life, this team under Tubby will be fine AND this program would not/ could not get another coach of his stature.
mike

Hutchinson, MN

#16 Mar 13, 2011
Tubby is getting exposed. Time to move on.
Inquirer

United States

#17 Mar 13, 2011
OK. So the program has never been particularly great under Tubby. But here's a question:

Why all the criticism for Tubby or for any perceived failure on the part of the men's basketball (or for that matter hockey) program while the women's program has been a far bigger dismal failure and nobody criticizes?

After all, the school has spent just as big a fortune in tax dollars for the women's programs. Therefore, shouldn't the expectation of success, and criticism for its failings, be just as big?

I am not suggesting that criticism should be levied just for the sake of criticizing. What I am suggesting is that there should be a uniform standard in the expectation of success, and a uniform standard in the level of criticism when there is a failure in the program.
champ

Columbia, MD

#18 Mar 13, 2011
You are the dumbest, laziest reporter I know. You take information from a basketball blog and put that information into mainstream media like it is gospel. How did you get that job?
MVF

Maple Grove, MN

#19 Mar 13, 2011
Inquirer wrote:
OK. So the program has never been particularly great under Tubby. But here's a question:
Why all the criticism for Tubby or for any perceived failure on the part of the men's basketball (or for that matter hockey) program while the women's program has been a far bigger dismal failure and nobody criticizes?
After all, the school has spent just as big a fortune in tax dollars for the women's programs. Therefore, shouldn't the expectation of success, and criticism for its failings, be just as big?
I am not suggesting that criticism should be levied just for the sake of criticizing. What I am suggesting is that there should be a uniform standard in the expectation of success, and a uniform standard in the level of criticism when there is a failure in the program.
People criticize programs that they have an interest in. Fact is, most people could care less about the women's programs.
DOG

Tuscaloosa, AL

#20 Mar 13, 2011
The incoming President in June has a great opportunity to change the culture of the current mess and should bring with him his own AD rather than get saddled with all the Maturi baggage. Otherwise its quest be as usual--mediocricy.
donl

Eden Prairie, MN

#21 Mar 13, 2011
Isn't it amazing how fast Tubby's contract is getting signed now that his true colors are shining through. Medicore, average, who would want to sign him now? Take a look at the basketball being played right now. Tubby's recruits are no where near as talented as these other teams. He has no offense, he has no ability to recruit the 5 star prospects. A good coach developes his kids. Tubby has brought these current players down to a new low. Who has improved under Tubby's tutelage? Colton...omg, Ralph....ditto Rodney...????? NOBODY>>>>> Hope Georgia Tech comes a callin before this deal is done.....pray for MN basketball.

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