Purdue gets short shrift in NCAA tournament

The Big Ten doesn't have to apologize for anything. It shouldn't have to explain itself, defend itself or just get it over with and kill itself. Full Story
MrMan

United States

#22 Mar 16, 2009
Waah.

Only a columnist from Big Ten country could whine after receiving more bids than deserved
Go Boilers

United States

#23 Mar 16, 2009
Tom wrote:
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Agree 100%.... and I'm not sure that Purdue is even a GOOD team. I predict they'll be "one and done". Look for UNI to get past the Boilers.
Seven teams in the NCAA is about 2 too many (Minnesota and Michigan??? Get real!) This has become more of a "who can bring in lots of fan money to the money grubbing hustlers" instead of a tourney to see the best teams, otherwise Arizona would be out and St. Mary would be in.
Yeah right, I'm sure all those QUALITY wins Northern Iowa had along with those other mid-majors are what got 'overlooked'

The reality is they were beaten up by a bunch of no names...lets check the facts:

BLOOOOOWN out by Marquette and Iowa...IOWA that crappy Big 10 team...blew them out???..along with Wyoming..??? Siena and the big bad powerhouse DRAKE.

Nov 28 Marquette Lost 43-73
Dec 3 Iowa St. Lost 66-71
Dec 13 @Wyoming Lost 65-74
Feb 18 Drake Lost 46-47
Feb 21 @Siena Lost 75-81

The tourney isn't about picking 65 title contenders, but rather the best of teams. The Big 10 had the highest wins against the RPI top 50 and that is what landed them the spots. Maybe if the other schools weren't scheduling cupcakes they would have been noticed too, but none of them had quality wins over solid opponents.

Example: Michigan got in because they beat UCLA, Duke, Michigan State, and Purdue. Next time research some facts instead of ruining your factless hate blog.
Go Boilers

United States

#24 Mar 16, 2009
Tom wrote:
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Agree 100%.... and I'm not sure that Purdue is even a GOOD team. I predict they'll be "one and done". Look for UNI to get past the Boilers.
Seven teams in the NCAA is about 2 too many (Minnesota and Michigan??? Get real!) This has become more of a "who can bring in lots of fan money to the money grubbing hustlers" instead of a tourney to see the best teams, otherwise Arizona would be out and St. Mary would be in.
--> Dec 9 @Iowa Lost 46-65 5-4

Wow a 21 point whipping by lowly Big 10 IOWA.
Bloomie

Bloomington, IL

#25 Mar 16, 2009
All tournament games are tough, with the exception of the 1 vs 16. There will be lots of upsets. If the Big Ten wants respect, then prove it in the tournament. I didn't think that 7 teams from any conference should be in the tournament. But hey, the BCS conferences bring in the Big Dollars.
bombast

Riverdale, IL

#26 Mar 16, 2009
Big 10 is consistently the most overrated sports conference year in and year out. They're a distant 3rd behind the Big East and ACC. The fact that they got as many as they did should be a blessing to Big 10 apologists. There was no disrespect from the NCAA selection committee; instead, it shows that they respected the Big 10 more than they should have. The Big 10 is a joke outside of Michigan State, Purdue, and Illinois.
greg from chicago

Chicago, IL

#27 Mar 16, 2009
MrMan wrote:
Waah.
Only a columnist from Big Ten country could whine after receiving more bids than deserved
That's exactly what I was thinking... "Waah".

You should try living here and have to listed to all the homers with no argument to back up their arguments (especially when it comes to football).
Dave

United States

#28 Mar 16, 2009
bombast wrote:
Big 10 is consistently the most overrated sports conference year in and year out. They're a distant 3rd behind the Big East and ACC. The fact that they got as many as they did should be a blessing to Big 10 apologists. There was no disrespect from the NCAA selection committee; instead, it shows that they respected the Big 10 more than they should have. The Big 10 is a joke outside of Michigan State, Purdue, and Illinois.
Blah blah blah blah. Do you even follow the Big Ten? If you did, you would recognize that the conference has had a number of coaching changes over the past several years. It is finally starting to settle down and virtually every team is competitive. The all-Big Ten first team is made up entirely of sophomores. There are a lot of great players coming in, not to mention the ones that already went pro that would still be in college. I can't wait until the tournament! The future is bright for the Big Ten.
bombast

Riverdale, IL

#29 Mar 16, 2009
Dave wrote:
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Blah blah blah blah. Do you even follow the Big Ten? If you did, you would recognize that the conference has had a number of coaching changes over the past several years. It is finally starting to settle down and virtually every team is competitive. The all-Big Ten first team is made up entirely of sophomores. There are a lot of great players coming in, not to mention the ones that already went pro that would still be in college. I can't wait until the tournament! The future is bright for the Big Ten.
Dave, for someone I'm assuming may be an alumnus of a Big 10 school (which is arguably one of the two best academic BCS conferences), your reading comprehension or at least comprehending arguments seems a little iffy.

I follow college basketball pretty closely. Big 10 basketball has been pretty weak for a while now. I know the Big 10 is probably on the way back and may perhaps even be the best or 2nd best league in the years to come; but the past few years and presently, the only ones crying about how the Big 10 is actually a really good conference are the ones who *only* really pay attention to the Big 10. If you really watched other leagues on a consistent basis, you'd know that the Big 10 has been and is still weak. This year the Big 10 is a little stronger than the Big 12 and definitely stronger than the Pac 10 and SEC, but they're minor leaguers compared to the Big East and ACC.

The only thing I agree with you is that the Big 10 will be back. But right now, there are only 3 teams worth watching in the Big 10: Michigan State, Purdue, and Illinois...with maybe Michigan State the only team capable of a Final Four.
Art

Long Island City, NY

#30 Mar 16, 2009
bombast wrote:
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Dave, for someone I'm assuming may be an alumnus of a Big 10 school (which is arguably one of the two best academic BCS conferences), your reading comprehension or at least comprehending arguments seems a little iffy.
I follow college basketball pretty closely. Big 10 basketball has been pretty weak for a while now. I know the Big 10 is probably on the way back and may perhaps even be the best or 2nd best league in the years to come; but the past few years and presently, the only ones crying about how the Big 10 is actually a really good conference are the ones who *only* really pay attention to the Big 10. If you really watched other leagues on a consistent basis, you'd know that the Big 10 has been and is still weak. This year the Big 10 is a little stronger than the Big 12 and definitely stronger than the Pac 10 and SEC, but they're minor leaguers compared to the Big East and ACC.
The only thing I agree with you is that the Big 10 will be back. But right now, there are only 3 teams worth watching in the Big 10: Michigan State, Purdue, and Illinois...with maybe Michigan State the only team capable of a Final Four.
Agreed.
My top 8 teams comment means this: take the top 8 Big 10 teams this year (MSU, Purdue, U of I, Michigan, OSU, Wisconsin, Minnesota and Penn St.) and put them against the top 8 Big east teams (L'ville, UConn, Pitt, Villanova, Syracuse, West Virginia, Marquette and Providence) and it's going to be ugly. I'm talking at least 5-3 but probably 6-2 or higher for the Big East. Sure the Big East has more teams but remember that top 8 for the Big East didn't even include Cincinnati, Georgetown or Notre Dame. Those 3 could pick off a few of those top 8 teams in the Big 10 at any time. Could the bottom dwellers (Northwestern, Indiana, Iowa) beat the top 8 Big East teams? Not very likely.
Tom

Danville, IL

#31 Mar 16, 2009
Ron wrote:
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I think Michigan deserves to be in. Take Out minny, Wisconsin, Marylard and Arizona.
OK - I'll buy that one, too
Tom

United States

#32 Mar 16, 2009
I can't wait for 11:00 Thursday when the games begin and, hopefully, all the whining ends.
Tom

Danville, IL

#33 Mar 16, 2009
Art wrote:
As a HUGE Syracuse fan living in the Chicago area, I have to defend the Big East. I will start by saying that I was stunned to see Purdue get a 5 seed. Should have been at least a 4, maybe even a 3, taking Syracuse's 3. SU had an amazing tournament but is over seeded. That being said there's no reason SU can't make a deep run starting this week.
HOWEVER, I must argue vehemently against Morrissey saying the Big Ten is better from top to bottom. Put the top 8 teams in each conference against each other...it'll be a bloodbath. Michigan St. and Purdue are very solid, above average teams, but will have an incredibly tough time beating Pitt or UConn. Illinois vs. Louisville? Please. L'ville did lose in December to Minnesota, a blip on the radar screen to a team that was simply out of wack at the time. L'ville would beat Minnesota 8 out of 10 times if it came to that. Marquette, Villanova, West Virginia and Syracuse can match up easily against Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin and Penn State/Minnesota anytime. Northwestern vs. a Providence or Georgetown or Notre Dame? N'western had a good year, but i'd still take the Hoyas or the Irish despite them both having bad years. Cincinnati isn't bad either. Morrissey, get with it and stop with the homer comments. You can act sick & tired of the Big East bias but the fact is that the conference is for real whether you like to admit it or not.
If this is the case, teams will be lining up for miles around to play DePew and South Florida!!
Greg

Lincolnshire, IL

#34 Mar 16, 2009
Rick is right on. Purdue tied for 2nd, won the tourney and gets a 5 seed. Xavier loses to Temple, Richmond and Charlotte in the last few weeks, doesn't even make their conf finals and gets a 4 seed.

Even the Big 10 haters have to see that one.

Look for WI to also pull the 1st round upset.
Bob

Chicago, IL

#35 Mar 16, 2009
I don't think Purdue put anyone on notice by beating Illinois and OSU. C'mon. If they had beaten MSU, maybe. I don't expect much from any Big Ten team except MSU.
Dave

United States

#36 Mar 16, 2009
bombast wrote:
If you really watched other leagues on a consistent basis, you'd know that the Big 10 has been and is still weak. This year the Big 10 is a little stronger than the Big 12 and definitely stronger than the Pac 10 and SEC, but they're minor leaguers compared to the Big East and ACC.
So the Big Ten is weak, but it is stronger than the Big 12, SEC, and Pac Ten? How many major conferences do you think there are? I hate to break it to you, but the Big Ten is rated higher than the Big East too. Those pesky computers look at the whole conference, not just the top teams.
In fact, the Big Ten is the second-highest rated conference in the country behind the ACC.

http://www.kiva.net/~jsagarin/sports/cbsend.h...
Art

Long Island City, NY

#37 Mar 16, 2009
Dave wrote:
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So the Big Ten is weak, but it is stronger than the Big 12, SEC, and Pac Ten? How many major conferences do you think there are? I hate to break it to you, but the Big Ten is rated higher than the Big East too. Those pesky computers look at the whole conference, not just the top teams.
In fact, the Big Ten is the second-highest rated conference in the country behind the ACC.
http://www.kiva.net/~jsagarin/sports/cbsend.h...
Yes. Big 10 is stronger than the Pac 10, SEC or Big 12. No one said otherwise. No one has said the Big 10 is weak, it's just not the Big East or ACC.
I'm aware of the conference ratings but how fair is a conference rating scale when one conference has 5 more teams?
Not sure how much Big East basketball you've watched, Dave, but it sounds like you've got fellow Big 10 fans that are agreeing with you.
What's funny is if you look at the bracket...there is no possible way to see a 2nd round matchup between a big east/big ten team, except Lousville and Ohio State. Which will end badly for the Buckeyes.
Tom

United States

#38 Mar 16, 2009
Dave wrote:
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So the Big Ten is weak, but it is stronger than the Big 12, SEC, and Pac Ten? How many major conferences do you think there are? I hate to break it to you, but the Big Ten is rated higher than the Big East too. Those pesky computers look at the whole conference, not just the top teams.
In fact, the Big Ten is the second-highest rated conference in the country behind the ACC.
http://www.kiva.net/~jsagarin/sports/cbsend.h...
Good point about Big East. Their bottom feeders include Rutgers, South Florida, Seton Hall, St. John's and of course our very own DePaul Blue Demons.
Go Boilers

United States

#39 Mar 16, 2009
Bob wrote:
I don't think Purdue put anyone on notice by beating Illinois and OSU. C'mon. If they had beaten MSU, maybe. I don't expect much from any Big Ten team except MSU.
Once again factless 'Bob' the idiot is allowed access to a keyboard.

02/17/09 vs. Michigan State West Lafayette, Ind. W, 72-54

Shove that in your ignorant pie...it might just save you from further embrassment...oh wait your too dumb to be embrassed by your own ignorance.
bombast

Riverdale, IL

#40 Mar 16, 2009
Dave wrote:
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So the Big Ten is weak, but it is stronger than the Big 12, SEC, and Pac Ten? How many major conferences do you think there are? I hate to break it to you, but the Big Ten is rated higher than the Big East too. Those pesky computers look at the whole conference, not just the top teams.
In fact, the Big Ten is the second-highest rated conference in the country behind the ACC.
http://www.kiva.net/~jsagarin/sports/cbsend.h...
Rigggghhhhht. Keep telling your delusional self that the Big 10 is the second best conference. Those computer rankings are like the BCS - full of holes - but since they're computers that use arbitrary data that weighs certain data that humans choose, they must be objective! Just because the bottom dwellers of the Big 10 *might* be better than the other bottom dwellers doesn't mean that much. It's an argument that apologists for mediocre conferences make all the time. This happens to be an argument that Big 10 apologists make all the time.

When you compare the major conferences this year, it's unusally top-heavy - as in the Big East and ACC are unusually much better than the rest. When there is a distant space between #2 (arguably ACC) and #3 (arguably Big 10...and you *could* conceivably argue that the Big 12 is tougher than the Big 10 this year), in a year in which the SEC is atypically very bad, being #3 doesn't mean that you're good as it would be in most other years.

Alas, it doesn't matter what anybody says, really. You'll keep accepting only what you want to hear and continue to believe that the Big 10 is a force to be reckoned with and is underrated, etc. etc. etc.
Recon Mike

Palatine, IL

#41 Mar 16, 2009
Bob wrote:
Purdue was ranked 24th in both polls going into this weekend, which would put them as roughly the worst 6 seed. So them getting a 5 seed is an improvement for them. You can't expect them to move 8 spots to get a 4 seed. They had 30 plus games this season, so if they wanted a higher seed, they should have done better.
If the polls were that good we would not need a committee to seed the teams. Being the best team in the second or third best conference should be worth better than #24 or even a #5 seed.
Starting wth N. Iowa and Washington will be a real test.

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