Report: McQuaid says EPO bans should be 4 years

Dec 13, 2010 Full story: The News Tribune 17

The president of cycling's governing body renewed his call for stiffer penalties for EPO use while insisting that cycling is the cleanest of sports.

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Turtle

Little Rock, AR

#1 Dec 14, 2010
Then all doping bans should be 4 years. Don't be half-ass Mc!
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

El Paso, TX

#2 Dec 15, 2010
Turtle wrote:
Then all doping bans should be 4 years. Don't be half-ass Mc!
That makes more sense and is a good point.

Cheers
SpeedyPete

Bellville, South Africa

#4 Dec 15, 2010
I do not agree. When any athlete is found guilty of doping after unidentified samples were tested by at least 4 different labs, such a person should be banned for life.

“I Love Life, People & Animals”

Since: Feb 07

El Paso, Texas

#5 Dec 15, 2010
SpeedyPete wrote:
I do not agree. When any athlete is found guilty of doping after unidentified samples were tested by at least 4 different labs, such a person should be banned for life.
Are there four different labs who can attain the exact same test results?

There weren't two labs that could do that during the Floyd Landis case.

“crystelZENmud”

Since: Jan 07

Reality City

#6 Dec 15, 2010
SpeedyPete wrote:
I do not agree. When any athlete is found guilty of doping after unidentified samples were tested by at least 4 different labs, such a person should be banned for life.
Is this a 'proposal' for a new 'double-blind' multi-lab system?

Otherwise... I'm not sure how you're getting this one?

Z~~
SpeedyPete

Johannesburg, South Africa

#7 Dec 16, 2010
Samples should be tested by at least 4 different, independent labs without knowing the identity of the rider. The results should be identical. If not, the labs can't be trusted and the rider must receive the benefit of the doubt.

And only AFTER both A and B samples tested positive should the results be made public.

“Carpe Diem”

Since: Mar 07

Bristol UK

#8 Dec 16, 2010
SpeedyPete wrote:
Samples should be tested by at least 4 different, independent labs without knowing the identity of the rider. The results should be identical. If not, the labs can't be trusted and the rider must receive the benefit of the doubt.
And only AFTER both A and B samples tested positive should the results be made public.
I am with you on this Speedy

“I Love Life, People & Animals”

Since: Feb 07

El Paso, Texas

#9 Dec 16, 2010
SpeedyPete wrote:
Samples should be tested by at least 4 different, independent labs without knowing the identity of the rider. The results should be identical. If not, the labs can't be trusted and the rider must receive the benefit of the doubt.
And only AFTER both A and B samples tested positive should the results be made public.
Athos wrote:
<quoted text>I am with you on this Speedy
Spot on Pieter.

Well, this would at least help everyone on both sides of the doping issue have trust and faith in this process. And it would really be a more accurate process providing real justice as well.

The cost would be dramatically higher.

But, again I have to ask if anyone is aware if two or more testing labs have been able to attain the exact same results?

We already know that LNDD and the LA lab failed in that venture during the Floyd Landis case. I believe that this situation was the final part that has kept many cycling fans from completely believing that the doping problem would ever go away.

Lets not forget that the case around Lance Armstrong is also contributing to many having doubts about wether or not the labs are working correctly.

If Lance Armstrong has been doping and at the same time having been the most tested rider during that time, then how has he been beating the labs throughtout that period of cycling?

Cheers

“crystelZENmud”

Since: Jan 07

Reality City

#10 Dec 17, 2010
Got it Speedy!

(I thought that's what you meant...)

Of course that 'quadruples' the price of lab-analyses per Athlete. Will sponsors & event organizers agree?

hhmmmmm

Z!

“I Love Life, People & Animals”

Since: Feb 07

El Paso, Texas

#11 Dec 17, 2010
Interesting

Spanish Olympic chief wants maximum ban if Contador doped


http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/spanish-olymp...
SpeedyPete

Johannesburg, South Africa

#12 Dec 17, 2010
It seems as if the "dope hunters" need a scape goat and Contador is available.
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

El Paso, TX

#13 Dec 17, 2010
Reasonable point Pieter.

How did you like that clown claiming that the Spanish are fighting the doping problem more then anyone else?

What athlete tucked tail and ran back to Medrid from Bejing!

The Spanish are the worst in fighting doping.
JMS

Little Rock, AR

#14 Dec 19, 2010
They should use hair/folicle testing. It's been said,that until recently, some of the teams have been able to test the blood, and alter the blood enough to pass tests that would otherwise indicate doping above the threshold.

Threshold you say. Yeah, even though the tests pick up evidence, it may be well below a threshold that is so freakin' high, that if you did get caught you were very stupid/sloppy.
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

El Paso, TX

#15 Dec 19, 2010
JMS wrote:
They should use hair/folicle testing. It's been said,that until recently, some of the teams have been able to test the blood, and alter the blood enough to pass tests that would otherwise indicate doping above the threshold.
Threshold you say. Yeah, even though the tests pick up evidence, it may be well below a threshold that is so freakin' high, that if you did get caught you were very stupid/sloppy.
Where have you been for the past 4 1/2 years, while the rest of us have already discussed this! You're a day late and a dollar short.

“crystelZENmud”

Since: Jan 07

Reality City

#16 Dec 21, 2010
JMS wrote:
They should use hair/folicle testing. It's been said,that until recently, some of the teams have been able to test the blood, and alter the blood enough to pass tests that would otherwise indicate doping above the threshold.
Threshold you say. Yeah, even though the tests pick up evidence, it may be well below a threshold that is so freakin' high, that if you did get caught you were very stupid/sloppy.
What should *really* happen, is for WADA to admit that its labs are not the finest in their countries (34 +/- 1), that their 'promulgation' of new tests is not scientifically-derived (peer-reviewed, published, accepted by NON-WADA labs as well as the 'sports-doping-analyses' Meccas that WADA purported to have collected), and that no matter how 'state of the Art' their analytical abilities may be, that Athletes and the dirty scoundrels that are 'feeding them' are about 2 years ahead of the Analytical competencies.

Anyone busted for ANYTHING that is tested, should be removed from competitions ('busted' carries a presumption, for this purpose, of having actually been determined Positive, via proper lab analytical performances, as established under the WADA Code Article 6.4).

Yet proof has shown that Athletes with the 'budget' behind them, are using Clinical II and Clinical III trials' products... pharmacopia that isn't even yet on the market, but has, in testing (for whatever ailment targeted), shown properties deemed 'beneficial' to Athletes by those doing the research, who presumably have access to stockpiles, or manufacturing techniques, and to the 'black market middlemen' who've access to 'clients'(aka Athletes)!

Z!
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

El Paso, TX

#17 Dec 21, 2010
JMS wrote:
They should use hair/folicle testing. It's been said,that until recently, some of the teams have been able to test the blood, and alter the blood enough to pass tests that would otherwise indicate doping above the threshold.
Threshold you say. Yeah, even though the tests pick up evidence, it may be well below a threshold that is so freakin' high, that if you did get caught you were very stupid/sloppy.
JMS, if you really want to learn more about the doping problem, you're better off going to the "Daily Peloton" forum and going to the "Doping" link there.

There the guys provide the sources of their arguments. We used to provide our sources here when we were involved in discussing the Floyd Landis case.

The Floyd Landis case did in fact force the testing labs there in Europe and else where to improve their testing process along with paying better attention to what they were and are doing.

The real problem here is that the agencies involved with cycling are not working together along with continuing in making the fight against doping a "Witch Hunt." Until they beging to work with the riders and the teams, the problem will remain as it is.

To be quite honest JMS, humans really don't care one way or the other if the doping continues in sport.

Cheers
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

United States

#18 Dec 28, 2010
Looks like it's going to be a long wait till we see or hear anything about any of the drug/doping cases.

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