Shaq gets night off against the Bulls

Shaq gets night off against the Bulls

There are 25 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Nov 7, 2008, titled Shaq gets night off against the Bulls. In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

Phoenix Suns center Shaquille O'Neal got the night off against the Bulls on Friday night, part of a plan to rest him periodically throughout the season.

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chibull fan

Brookfield, IL

#1 Nov 7, 2008
That crap. If Shaq cant play when he's not even injured he needs to retire. I just came from the game and payed good money to see him. What a joke.
Boston BullsFan

Dracut, MA

#4 Nov 7, 2008
Where are all the impatient haters??

Bulls never trailed.

Tyrus scored and played well, Deng stepped it up in the second half, Gordon continued to scored almost at well and Rose is heading for stardom!!

Too bad the Bulls won't try to get McDyess, he would be a great addition.

Albuquerque, NM

#5 Nov 7, 2008
Great game, fellas!
Michael P Coy

Oswego, IL

#6 Nov 7, 2008
2 starters missing from Phoenix, enough said

Willowbrook, IL

#8 Nov 7, 2008
geez rose is sick, damn, he's sick. also noah doesn't play because he has less offensive game than dalibor bagaric. he has the tools, i mean he's not completely uncooridinated ala tyson chandler, but he's so weak and very slow when moving towards the basket. and sefalosha doesnt suck, but i'd like to see rose and gordon play together a little more.

United States

#9 Nov 7, 2008
This is still a Jekyll and Hyde team. The Bulls right now seem to mirror the stock market: no consistency. I applaud their effort against the Suns but they still must match the intensity of the other team when on the road. When the Bulls go into a shooting or turnover funk they are quite the underachievers. In other words, all Chicago fans are waiting for the Bulls to grow up, gain some basketball IQ, and at least play fundamental basketball. At the least.
halff breeeed muslin

Chicago, IL

#10 Nov 8, 2008
time fo a change

Chevilly-larue, France

#11 Nov 8, 2008
Good news do not hurt and it is good to see that some chemistry seems reachable even if the next step consistency will be a tough one.
Also I hate to recognize that when I first saw the result of the game my first thought was that the Sun's organization made it easier to Del Negro because of his Sun's past. We will see if Shaq gets other rest nights...
And for the future I am worried to see that Deng globally sucks compared to his huge crazy contract and that Gordon plays well with the risk to lose him for next year. Considering the other big contracts suck as well (Hinrich, Hugues and to a lesser extent Nocioni), that does not give a lot of margin of maneuver to build a great team around Rose. Or it would request a great GM (sorry it was an easy one, but Paxson is also part of my worries considering his below average achievements)...

Chicago, IL

#12 Nov 8, 2008
"likely hall of famer Steve Nash"

I don't know...I love the guy...he is one of my favorite players and an inventive and selfless offensive player, but he also plays NO DEFENSE, and I don't think he is quite hall of fame worthy. The Hall of the Very-Good, perhaps.

A player with obvious deficiencies in one major phase of the game has to be purely dominant overall in order to render said deficiencies unimportant (eg. Shaq and free-throw shooting). I know it is a minor point, but to hang that description on Nash rubbed me the wrong way.

Okay, I'm done. Rose, on the other hand, just might be a hall of famer when it is all said and done.
MN Catalano

Schaumburg, IL

#13 Nov 8, 2008
OK people. Do this ( same ) 67 more times ! I'll then concede that you All are worth your pay.
terry t

United States

#14 Nov 8, 2008
why start hinrich? it's like, hinrich is better than gordon. pleeeaasse!! start gordon and get a jump from the onset. of course hinrich can guard nash. he's much taller. his so-called defense cancels out his bad chemistry on offense 3fold. the less he plays the more the bulls will win. period.

Schaumburg, IL

#15 Nov 8, 2008
gunner gordon the goner is good for one thing. shooting. can't dribble, pass or play D. Hinwreck can a least dribble and dribble and dribble. i think he's learning how to play with the kid. tyrus the regressor, the joker came to play. a pass to noseeoni and he shoots and misses. thabo off the bench seems like the right move. when does Larry Give me the Ball Hughes get back? When will No Deal Paxson do something...anything to help this backcourt over-crowding?

Trumbull, CT

#16 Nov 8, 2008
The Bulls played their best game of the season , with just about everyone contributing.
My comment on the article, was the " Hinrich sparked the rout", not sure I saw that happen.
I guess because Ben Gordon didn't miss a late shot, have a turnover late that COST them the game, he doesn't get mentioned.
So let me clue the readers who didn't see the game, that Gordon was 8-14 from the field, 4-8 from threes, had six assts,
scored 23 points off the bench, two turnovers and played good defense.( Methinks Melissa has renamed BG= Strong Contribution frm Bench)
Most nights Gordon will outscore the ENTIRE bench from the opposing teams!

Chicago, IL

#17 Nov 8, 2008
Only 12 turnovers - great. A very, very big improvement over lst years total of aroung 20 per game. two more areas in which to improve - make your darn free throws - 58% for a professional team is totally unacceptable. Then do not, and I repeat do not, let Gordon handle the ball in the fourth quarter. He is nothing more than a turnover machine. Let him spot up and shoot but under no circumstances do you let him dribble, penetrate or pass the ball.
Al B

Ronkonkoma, NY

#18 Nov 8, 2008
Game well played by the Bulls. This team is dangerous if they play like the talent they really are.

1) BG should not start for the simple fact that he, for some reason, does not do good when he starts. His best games are off the bench. Plus we need a bench that can come in & score so hes a keeper.

2) Hinrich does not score but he plays good defense and knows how to bring down the ball. Rose wil learn alot under him and it would be good for the Bulls to have both at the point. He's a keeper!

3) Sefolosha is not a starter. He needs to stay on the bench and be used on bigger guards. Hes a great defender & I dont understand why DelNegro did not play him against Lebron the other night. Because of his height & length he would've done a better job than Hinrich (obviously). I would prefer keeping him over Hughes but if we cant get rid of Hughes because his big contract then lets trade Thabo for an inside game. Hes a maybe!

4) Deng is overrated. His stats were a fluke 2 seasons ago. Not saying hes isnt good- just not as good as everyone was mistakenly thought to believe. If he doesnt wake up by mid-season he should be a trading chip for a versatile big man that can give us an inside game or someone like Shawn Marion- not as big but can do more than Lu & run Rose. Dengs a maybe!

5) Nocioni deserves his contract. Hes an emotional player who doesnt back down to no challenge, no team, no player! We need that. Hes the only player with that FIRE in him. He plays like evry game is the finals. Hes a hustler and isnt afraid to sacrafice his body for a loose ball or a rebound. Plus he can score. He's a keeper.

6)Noah has potential to become an important part of this team. Remember he still young & trying to find his game. I see Noah as a rebounder. If he sticks to playing under the basket and getting easy put backs & grabbing as many boards as he can he will be able to average a double double. 10 points 14 rebounds a game will be easy once he learns that. Look at Tyson Chandler. He sucked for his first 3 seasons. Too skinny and didnt know his strenghts. Once he figured out it was under the basket, he began grabbing boards like a monster. Noah's a keeper.

7) Tyrus Thomas also has potential. We all see that with our eyes closed. He needs to learn his game. Once he gets that down pat he'll be an asset off the bench or starting (depending how well he developes). Hes a keeper!

8) Gooden is pretty good. Not a "true" Bull yet but hes putting in his work and plays with heart. Noone writes about him alot but hes def one of our most consistent players, has a pretty 15 ft jump shot and can score down low. He would be perfect if we had another threat down low with him. Hes a keeper!

9) Hughes is ok at times. I like his length, height, speed and defense. But hes a gunner (even when hes off). Lets trade him for a big man and get more space in the backcourt. Hes a goner- Trade him!

10) Aaron Gray is too slow and goofy. If hes a trading chip then use him. If not then he'll be ok off the bench to fould centers and give our guys a little rest. Hes a goner- Trade him!

11) Vinny DelNegro- Lets give him a chance and see what hist stats are at the end of the year. Good for now!

12) Derrick Rose is the truth- need I say more?

Mundelein, IL

#19 Nov 8, 2008
If they can do this consistently and manage to win a few games on the Circus trip, I'll change my feeling about this team. Until then: FIRE PAXSON!~

United States

#20 Nov 8, 2008
One of the standard plays the Bull's run now is a pick and roll with Rose and Gooden. The problem is that Gooden isn't a Bill Laimbeer or a Rasheed Wallace - he can't consistently knock down a jumper and so the other teams don't respect it. Is it too much of a stretch to have them try a pick and roll with Deng and Rose? Deng is the Bull's best mid-range jump shooter and he's been looking pretty lost on a lot of plays just standing in the corner. I haven't check stats, but I think Deng has probably already tried more 3 point shots this year than he did last year, and that's not his game.

Elgin, IL

#21 Nov 8, 2008
Al B
Best analysis of the team I have seen.
I agree with most of what you say.
Rose,Deng,Gordon,Thomas,Gooden ,Noah should be the heart of the team and see most of the action whether they start or not. Kurt would be an asset if he could return to his form of two years ago. Sometimes he does some real dumb things and he always seems to be in the refs' disfavor.
Boston BullsFan

Boston, MA

#22 Nov 8, 2008
Last time I checked, 2006, the Bulls had Shaq's number. He's old and slow, so I don't think he was missed that much last night. To use that as an excuse is lame.
Also, the 4 in 5 gets thrown out there too, no.

Bulls can beat ANYONE when their jumpshots are falling, which happens every once in a while. But even without that, they played some very good defense and held the most potent offense in the NBA to under 90 points.

Too bad none of the big guys can hit foul shots.

IF Gordon could accept an off-the-bench role, I'd say keep him. He is a three-point specialist and with a consistent low-post scorer on this team he'd lead the league in 3-point % and scores, I think.

HInrich is useful, but I think anyone who trades with the Bulls would want him, not Sef, not Hughes and maybe Gordon too though. Whenever Hughes contract is set to expire is the time he will become most valuable.

If Chris Paul can turn Chandler into a border-line all-star, Rose should be able to do that for either Thomas or Noah, I don't think they should keep both. Pick one, trade the other.

Let's see if the Bulls can continue their stellar play at home against a defensive minded team. So far, if a team plays good defense the Bulls shoot under 40%.
Rose also couldn't buy a foul in Cleveland, let's see if he gets any home-town advantage.

Chicago, IL

#23 Nov 8, 2008
Gordon has averaged about the same the years he started and the years he's been benched. Look it up. He typically has slow starts to the season so the last few years they've benched him and claimed his mysterious improvement in December was from the benching. Actually, Gordon's game always picks up in December, even when he started. There isn't any direct correlation between benching him and him playing better. He has always improved as the season goes along.

This year he seems great right off the bat. The Bulls just have to ask themselves if they want to get in a hole every first quarter or start the game with their best players and good offense from the very start. Having Gordon in there to spread the court out as a real outside shooter means Deng and Rose will have a clear path to the basket. It just makes sense for the benefit of all the players to have a real outside shooter there from the beginning. Bring a defender off the bench if it really gets to be a problem.

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