NBA Extra: Is Dwyane Wade the world's best?

[Sammy]

Justin wrote:

<quoted text>Lebron court awareness remind's you of Magic I've watch him so don't tell me what I haven't seen Magic played in a different era I give you that but Magic was a 6'9 point guard but I actually know the goal's was totally different then the reason why the fg% was different the basketball goal's became higher when player's like Yao,Hakeem ,and Manuke Boughl excuse me if I spell his name wrong but became higher because taller player's domination and don't tell the game was more aggressive just little but it still take's skill Lebron will be bigger than those legend's he's 260 I want someone to step in his way back then but era's separate that but now the game is quicker ,smarter well strategist's,I've watch your Bad Boy's Detriot film they would throw the whole team on Jordan but if they did that to Lebron he would pick them apart like tooth pick's Lebron can pass from any spot on the court Jordan couldn't do that,the reason why the zone defense isn't used anymore the league is to well strategist's and you can say the foul rule's are different and stuff you prove my case more it would take more skill to play now then any era only because they would call a foul on a tap on the shoulder now MJ would be fouled out now it take's way more skill defensively now the reason's the stl and block's and Zone's scheme's isn't used the reason Magic pick them apart with those Zone's has depleted Magic could see over the coverage's like Lebron.If Lebron played then, he would be a Oscer Robertson player and if you ask someone before your time like my uncle he would say Oscer Robertson was the best passer then Magic so cut the crap.

Look, Nothing ever pleases you and please cut the script. I agree to disagree. You were a pup.
I realize the miss spell. Its Manute Bol

[Justin]

Yeah your right Sammy all great's should be remembered by their Greatness and not by rank's and stuff like that I would totally agree with that 100% that is what I always want to say because my boy Dominique Wilken's doesn't get much publicity or prop's he far underrated I only wish Lebron would play for my Hawks and win a ring here and dedicated to my boy Dominique Wilkins it would show a great deal of respect to him because he deserve's it.

[Justin]

Sammy wrote:

<quoted text> Look, Nothing ever pleases you and please cut the script. I agree to disagree. You were a pup.
I realize the miss spell. Its Manute Bol

I didn't mean nothing about cut the crap it was the stuff you brought up by the fouls and stuff it wouldn't change anything it would still take skill you can't take away a player skill's that is all that matter's that is what make them great their adaptable in any type of environment they adapt and adjust and grow into it and become better that is what greatness all about.

[Justin]

And Lebron has been knock around it just want work he's 260 and run's at full steam who would be a fool and step his way and if they hit him you have to grab him so that will be a clear foul for the ref's to call and if you tell me Lebron wouldn dominated more back then in the 90's then now because their way to many tic tacky call's and he would smoke any one of the pick and roll back then off the pick and roll plus he's bigger then almost all the great center's and stronger so who's going to stop him.Just like Shaq he out muscle anyone in the paint even when the center's back then was at an all time high in size so telling me that wouldn't stop Lebron is a mistake scoring was at an all time high so even the hard foul's only gave more point's so that old school topic shouldn't even be meant chin if Lebron get's to the line more now almost all time in freethrows a game and Wade or Kobe they would be 30 point scorer's every year now we got the blocking foul,s,charger's,even the goe's are higher which the chance of shooting better would drop.

[Justin]

Sorry about the tough reading still working on my typing but you get my point the fouling would only make Lebron score better because he's so fast and strong and can jump out a gym if they hit him back then they would have to grab him because it would be and 1 all the time he be a 30 point scorer every year like MJ back then.Scoring was at an all time high back then so saying fouling was going to him is a bogus statement it's basketball your going to get hit and he played foot ball so that wouldn't make a difference because it still take skill's.

[Justin]

Sammy wrote:

<quoted text>What you talking about? First off how does Magic remind you of Lebron..see this is why you are too young to even make that statement. They are completey 2 different players. No one I mean no one could pass like Magic. Positioning(all 5) is another factor I have not seen in Le Bron"s game. Now before you toot your horn and conjure up stop story that I am saying lebron is better, thats not what Iam saying. Iam not one one for comparisons. I do not see any similarities what so ever.

Lebron could pass like Magic if he chosed to but he doesn't have player's who has great hand's like Bart Scott,Worthy,Kareem,and more they had great hand's so when ever he threw strong passes they would catch them plus defense where a lot simpler then if was more predictable but the reason Lebron can't pass as good as he want's to is because Varyjao,Shaq,or Z wouldn't catch any of has speed ball's if` you give Lebron that squad Magic has I guaranteed he get's 13 ast a game but he also don't have a many finisher's at the rim as Magic who had player's who finish better than he doe's like Worthy,but Magic was the best overrall point guard the best passing point guard was John Stockton it really isn't close he by far leading ast for a career and alway's stayed more healthy than Magic who got injured a lot Stockton was the purist form more than any point guard Magic had the most trick passes I give you that but pure passing bounce all of that I give Stockton,I've watch Magic passing it wasn't all that accurate he just has player's who knew how to catch them and knew it was coming his trick passes was hot but far as accuracy it wouldn't work today .Stockton put the ball on the money it couldn't get better yeah he could get fancy once and a while but it's all about passing Stockton was the best overall passer,Magic was a trick passer but if you watch Jason Kidd in his prime the passes he did Magic can never do I mean Jason Kidd could throw passes from whole court with his left hand ,Jason Kidd was the best trick passer,then Magic but Magic started it.

[joesmoove]

Justin wrote:

<quoted text>Lebron could pass like Magic if he chosed to but he doesn't have player's who has great hand's like Bart Scott,Worthy,Kareem,and more they had great hand's so when ever he threw strong passes they would catch them plus defense where a lot simpler then if was more predictable but the reason Lebron can't pass as good as he want's to is because Varyjao,Shaq,or Z wouldn't catch any of has speed ball's if` you give Lebron that squad Magic has I guaranteed he get's 13 ast a game but he also don't have a many finisher's at the rim as Magic who had player's who finish better than he doe's like Worthy,but Magic was the best overrall point guard the best passing point guard was John Stockton it really isn't close he by far leading ast for a career and alway's stayed more healthy than Magic who got injured a lot Stockton was the purist form more than any point guard Magic had the most trick passes I give you that but pure passing bounce all of that I give Stockton,I've watch Magic passing it wasn't all that accurate he just has player's who knew how to catch them and knew it was coming his trick passes was hot but far as accuracy it wouldn't work today .Stockton put the ball on the money it couldn't get better yeah he could get fancy once and a while but it's all about passing Stockton was the best overall passer,Magic was a trick passer but if you watch Jason Kidd in his prime the passes he did Magic can never do I mean Jason Kidd could throw passes from whole court with his left hand ,Jason Kidd was the best trick passer,then Magic but Magic started it.

if lebron wanted to huh?....i guess he can go to the moon to if he wanted to...lmao...what a joke...

[Sammy]

joesmoove wrote:

<quoted text>if lebron wanted to huh?....i guess he can go to the moon to if he wanted to...lmao...what a joke...

No kidding joe No kidding. My buddies here are literally rolling on the floor and are itching to come in heree and sink Justin.

[kenny]

joesmoove wrote:

<quoted text>if lebron wanted to huh?....i guess he can go to the moon to if he wanted to...lmao...what a joke...

lebron is a great passer...but magic was 10X the passer as anybody in the league for the last 20 yrs besides kidd nash and stockton

[Sammy]

kenny wrote:

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lebron is a great passer...but magic was 10X the passer as anybody in the league for the last 20 yrs besides kidd nash and stockton

Thank you

[joesmoove]

kenny wrote:

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lebron is a great passer...but magic was 10X the passer as anybody in the league for the last 20 yrs besides kidd nash and stockton

i prefer nash....but in all fairness to justin..it did not make things very difficut having for magic having worthy, kareem, wilks, cooper, nixon...etc....on the other end of his passes....i mean where would bird be without mchale or parrish or dennis johnson?....or kobe without shaq...gasol...bynum...fisher. ..odom....na mean?....

[Justin]

joesmoove wrote:

<quoted text>if lebron wanted to huh?....i guess he can go to the moon to if he wanted to...lmao...what a joke...

Are you kidding Lebron would done the same thing Magic did he had an up tempo team,Lebron team doesn't play fast but yet he manage to get 7.5 assist a game with no finisher's except Shaq plus, like I said Magic had finisher's at the basket,point guard's are overrated anyway their assist come's from team support everyone need's a fit system to get assist ,Lebron focus isn't assist no more it's scoring,but the game is different now player's have quicker reaction,Magic passes were great but it isn't nothing I haven't seen before but at the end of the day his team was loaded but still couldn't get more assist than Stockton.And don't say Magic passes 10 x better that isn't a such thing Lebron is good as you get as passing and court vision his team isn't built for him to get 10 or more assist a game because he has no finisher's at the basket,I watch game's when Lebron should had 20 assist he give player's wide open lane's to the basket but Z,Shaq or Varyjao isn't near as athletic as Magic boy's was they could finish with the best of it.Sometime's y'all got to be reasonable you can be fancy with your no look passing all you want but if the person you give to doesn't have great hand's it isn't an assist the reason why assist is overrated,player's like Wade or Lebron could easily do that if their game plan was to do that but their team need's them to score to be an elite team.Magic team was loaded he could force assist all day because he had player's who could pick up the scoring for him Lebron and Wade are forced to score because they don't have that other star to cover for them plus y'all should know this are you telling me Magic was a better overall passer than Nash are you kidding Magic himself said that Nash was a better overall point guard then he was with the passing and slashing on his MVP year's ,the reason why I think assist is overrated the reason I never vote for point guard's to be top 5 all time on the list because assist alway's come from the team support.Jason Kidd passing are just as crazy as Magic or better tell the truth Kidd was the Magic Johnson of this era this is actuality how Magic would of played if he played this era he would been Kidd their isn't a way better passer because trick's is trick's being a great passer take's court vison and anticipation skill's and Lebron and Kidd is great as it get's so saying Magic was by far is irrelevant.I watch film and study it their defense's back then zone's,zone's,zone's if you had any 6'9 point guard with great vision which is Lebron or Kidd it would been easy to average 10 assist a game plus the squad he had and your telling he didn't lead all time assist either you make his passing overrated by saying that if your by far a better passer than Lebron you better be averaging 20 assist a game then at the end of the day what would it take,it would take a hall fame squad just like Magic had which is very difficult to build in today's game because all the cap rule's and blocking foul's and all that other tilky tacky call's saying that was irrelevant.

[Sammy]

Justin wrote:

<quoted text>Are you kidding Lebron would done the same thing Magic did he had an up tempo team,Lebron team doesn't play fast but yet he manage to get 7.5 assist a game with no finisher's except Shaq plus, like I said Magic had finisher's at the basket,point guard's are overrated anyway their assist come's from team support everyone need's a fit system to get assist ,Lebron focus isn't assist no more it's scoring,but the game is different now player's have quicker reaction,Magic passes were great but it isn't nothing I haven't seen before but at the end of the day his team was loaded but still couldn't get more assist than Stockton.And don't say Magic passes 10 x better that isn't a such thing Lebron is good as you get as passing and court vision his team isn't built for him to get 10 or more assist a game because he has no finisher's at the basket,I watch game's when Lebron should had 20 assist he give player's wide open lane's to the basket but Z,Shaq or Varyjao isn't near as athletic as Magic boy's was they could finish with the best of it.Sometime's y'all got to be reasonable you can be fancy with your no look passing all you want but if the person you give to doesn't have great hand's it isn't an assist the reason why assist is overrated,player's like Wade or Lebron could easily do that if their game plan was to do that but their team need's them to score to be an elite team.Magic team was loaded he could force assist all day because he had player's who could pick up the scoring for him Lebron and Wade are forced to score because they don't have that other star to cover for them plus y'all should know this are you telling me Magic was a better overall passer than Nash are you kidding Magic himself said that Nash was a better overall point guard then he was with the passing and slashing on his MVP year's ,the reason why I think assist is overrated the reason I never vote for point guard's to be top 5 all time on the list because assist alway's come from the team support.Jason Kidd passing are just as crazy as Magic or better tell the truth Kidd was the Magic Johnson of this era this is actuality how Magic would of played if he played this era he would been Kidd their isn't a way better passer because trick's is trick's being a great passer take's court vison and anticipation skill's and Lebron and Kidd is great as it get's so saying Magic was by far is irrelevant.I watch film and study it their defense's back then zone's,zone's,zone's if you had any 6'9 point guard with great vision which is Lebron or Kidd it would been easy to average 10 assist a game plus the squad he had and your telling he didn't lead all time assist either you make his passing overrated by saying that if your by far a better passer than Lebron you better be averaging 20 assist a game then at the end of the day what would it take,it would take a hall fame squad just like Magic had which is very difficult to build in today's game because all the cap rule's and blocking foul's and all that other tilky tacky call's saying that was irrelevant.

Joe? you there? wake up? Let me fetch you another dose of smelling salts.

[Justin]

joesmoove wrote:

<quoted text>i prefer nash....but in all fairness to justin..it did not make things very difficut having for magic having worthy, kareem, wilks, cooper, nixon...etc....on the other end of his passes....i mean where would bird be without mchale or parrish or dennis johnson?....or kobe without shaq...gasol...bynum...fisher. ..odom....na mean?....

Much as Shaq did for Kobe but I'm going to say this,Magic and Bird didn't have to carry near as much power for their team success then Kobe,Magic and Bird had way more loaded squad then Kobe or Lebron or Wade will ever have the reason I say they are great,they made the game where it is today but I really feel boy's like Shaq, Duncan,and Kareem was better then Magic big man never get credit even thought Kareem could pass sometime's as good as Magic not trick but assist,and far as career accomplishment's Kareem should be ahead of Magic on the all time list and Wilt and Oscer and Russell if Magic was their for success why in the hell is these boy's rank so much lower then them and Bird shouldn't be top 5 all time their was player's just as talented as him and accomplish more who isn't mitchen how about Hakeem Olunjawan and I really feel Shaq should be much higher he was the most dominated player since wilt and Jordan he really should be up their it should look like this MJ,Kobe,Kareem,Russell,Wilt,Sh aq,Magic,Oscer,Shaq,Duncan,Bir d,Olunjawon,etc...Wade and Lebron will be their soon but their career isn't polished yet but I feel Kobe really should be that high I really think people get so caught up with team success they really forget about talent level Kobe talent rival's Jordan not as great but his intangible's and Wade's and Lebron dominance remind's me of Oscer and Shaq I know,I know,I know Shaq I only say Shaq only because him and Lebron are the 2 best finisher's of this decade no one finishes with more vicious dunk's like they did.

[Justin]

Excuse the Shaq error should be blanked but you get what I'm saying.

[Justin]

Look's like I'm going to break it down old fashion style for you so you get my point because y'all are so much living in the past about it was tougher in all that crap your not getting how much advantage's they had then as well.I'm going tell you soon.

[Justin]

Hey enough with this topic if y'all want to end it but this was a great question from my friend if Peyton Manning win's another Super Bowl this year would he be the greatest QB who ever played and what y'all think about Chris Johnson year and who y'all feel who's the best runner back all time football is more debatable the NBA because you can't fake football skill's.Since y'all been around longer answer these question's I feel Barry Sander's was the best back but name out the best player for all the best position's please.

[joesmoove]

Justin wrote:

Hey enough with this topic if y'all want to end it but this was a great question from my friend if Peyton Manning win's another Super Bowl this year would he be the greatest QB who ever played and what y'all think about Chris Johnson year and who y'all feel who's the best runner back all time football is more debatable the NBA because you can't fake football skill's.Since y'all been around longer answer these question's I feel Barry Sander's was the best back but name out the best player for all the best position's please.

I like Peterson from the vikings....he is awesome..despite his turnover problem....as far as peyton....he got mvp last year and his team did not make the playoffs....if the nba used that philosophy...DWade should have won the mvp.....peyton is great...but i would take dan marino over anyone....Danny never had enough help....my opinion....

[kenny]

Justin wrote:

Hey enough with this topic if y'all want to end it but this was a great question from my friend if Peyton Manning win's another Super Bowl this year would he be the greatest QB who ever played and what y'all think about Chris Johnson year and who y'all feel who's the best runner back all time football is more debatable the NBA because you can't fake football skill's.Since y'all been around longer answer these question's I feel Barry Sander's was the best back but name out the best player for all the best position's please.

for the short career he had barry sanders is the best by far....but i still think that matched longevity, and skills that walter payton is the best back ever....probably go with walter payton, barry sanders, jim brown, emmit smith and eric dickerson ast top 5...as far as today you CANNOT DISPUTE THAT CHRIS JOHNSON IS THE BEST RB IN THE LEAGUE THIS SEASON....period...and peyton manning is ALREADY the best Qb of all time

[Justin]

I think Chris Johnson got 2,000 yard's quicker than any other back amazing it's only his 2nd year.But Peterson should of had it his rookie year just to many injurie's my favorite back is Peterson but yeah I agree I feel Manning is the best quarterback all time he never missed a game and will have all the quarter back record's when Favre retire's and he will not break that interception record Favre had becasue Manning has never turn over the ball as much.