Why Kobe/Jordan Debate Is Closer Than It Seems

Dec 19, 2009 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Bleacher Report

As Kobe Bryant continues to add to his already-brilliant legacy, the debate between him and Michael Jordan rages on.

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LEGALISE STEROIDS

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#146
Jan 28, 2013
 
Ginobili wrote:
Players are bigger than when I started playing basketball thirty years ago at a very young age because of better diet and conditioning not roids. Most of us players will not touch toids because of its mid and long term side effects. That roid stuff only works for a few years and then your body just break down. MJ has proven he can play over his fifteen year tenure and he was not stupid enough to take roids or else at age 39 and 40 he would not have put up those numbers and he was not given carte blanche when he returned for his last two seasons. PER of 20 for the last two years at age 39 and 40 is good.
You are so full of sh*t you're not even worth it.

1) Paid shill.
2) Drug cheat.
3) Major idiot.

Which one(s) are you?
LEGALISE STEROIDS

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#147
Jan 28, 2013
 
"That roid stuff only works for a few years and then your body just break down." Ginobili Troll

HAHAHAHAHAHHAA!!

Google Robby Robinson. Been juicin for over a few DECADES and his body looks better than 99.9999% of people on the planet TODAY.

Sylvester Stallone: Been juicing since the 80s and is still strong, healthy, has a great build...

Arnold: His body started falling apart as soon as he stopped juicing.

Sly looks younger, stronger, healthier... than Arnold, even though Sly is OLDER and hasn't stopped juicing + Arnold stopped years ago.

LOL!!

Ginobili = MAJOR FAIL!
Sammy

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#148
Jan 29, 2013
 
LEGALISE STEROIDS wrote:
"That roid stuff only works for a few years and then your body just break down." Ginobili Troll
HAHAHAHAHAHHAA!!
Google Robby Robinson. Been juicin for over a few DECADES and his body looks better than 99.9999% of people on the planet TODAY.
Sylvester Stallone: Been juicing since the 80s and is still strong, healthy, has a great build...
Arnold: His body started falling apart as soon as he stopped juicing.
Sly looks younger, stronger, healthier... than Arnold, even though Sly is OLDER and hasn't stopped juicing + Arnold stopped years ago.
LOL!!
Ginobili = MAJOR FAIL!
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#149
Feb 1, 2013
 
Snowflake wrote:
Lebron for a forward will surprass goth KoMe and MJ sor career assists soon, then rebounding then scoring, blocks and steals.
As Doubtful as your spelling talent.......
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Feb 1, 2013
 
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>As Doubtful as your spelling talent.......
Hey Blue give flakey a break. He didn't get pass kindergarten.
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#151
Feb 2, 2013
 
Kobe wins hands down! First off Jordan had six rings, Kobe has five not four, he won three in a row like Jordan and the two in a row. But if you're only counting rings then Jordan isn't even in the discussion there are players with more than six rings. Second and maybe most important Kobe didn't come in and have the team, and system tailored around him like Jordan. Third Kobe's first and second spree of title wins where done with almost an entirely different team be sides Derek Fisher. SO if you look at it objectively Kobe has to be considered the best to play the game.
Footnote: Gary Payton who came into the NBA a few years after Jordan was just as good as Jordan if not better because he came into the NBA playing good defense and still a scorer and was able to perform (and did perform) most if not all the acrobat shots Jordan did. He was just smaller and on a team that no matter how good he was they wanted their first and sometimes their second scoring option to be their center and big men, even with that against him (just like with Kobe's situation)they both still managed to rank in the top 50 all time NBA greats.

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#152
Feb 2, 2013
 
....LOL....too young to have a valid opinion.....
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Feb 2, 2013
 
Tony wrote:
Kobe wins hands down! First off Jordan had six rings, Kobe has five not four, he won three in a row like Jordan and the two in a row. But if you're only counting rings then Jordan isn't even in the discussion there are players with more than six rings. Second and maybe most important Kobe didn't come in and have the team, and system tailored around him like Jordan. Third Kobe's first and second spree of title wins where done with almost an entirely different team be sides Derek Fisher. SO if you look at it objectively Kobe has to be considered the best to play the game.
Footnote: Gary Payton who came into the NBA a few years after Jordan was just as good as Jordan if not better because he came into the NBA playing good defense and still a scorer and was able to perform (and did perform) most if not all the acrobat shots Jordan did. He was just smaller and on a team that no matter how good he was they wanted their first and sometimes their second scoring option to be their center and big men, even with that against him (just like with Kobe's situation)they both still managed to rank in the top 50 all time NBA greats.
now that we have read "YOUR" opinion, we walk away with what? That we should all bow to Kobe for acrobats? Dude its 2 different eras.

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#154
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Tony wrote:
Kobe wins hands down! First off Jordan had six rings, Kobe has five not four, he won three in a row like Jordan and the two in a row. But if you're only counting rings then Jordan isn't even in the discussion there are players with more than six rings. Second and maybe most important Kobe didn't come in and have the team, and system tailored around him like Jordan. Third Kobe's first and second spree of title wins where done with almost an entirely different team be sides Derek Fisher. SO if you look at it objectively Kobe has to be considered the best to play the game.
Footnote: Gary Payton who came into the NBA a few years after Jordan was just as good as Jordan if not better because he came into the NBA playing good defense and still a scorer and was able to perform (and did perform) most if not all the acrobat shots Jordan did. He was just smaller and on a team that no matter how good he was they wanted their first and sometimes their second scoring option to be their center and big men, even with that against him (just like with Kobe's situation)they both still managed to rank in the top 50 all time NBA greats.
You say to "look at it objectively" but your objectivity is biased and I'm a fan of both MJ and Kobe but to say "the glove" was better than MJ?! Dude, you need to make a serious apology to the basketball gods with that statement and while you're at it ask for some serious forgiveness. GP was great at what HE did but to say he was better than the best? You may want to see your doctor and have your head checked. No offense.
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You say to "look at it objectively" but your objectivity is biased and I'm a fan of both MJ and Kobe but to say "the glove" was better than MJ?! Dude, you need to make a serious apology to the basketball gods with that statement and while you're at it ask for some serious forgiveness. GP was great at what HE did but to say he was better than the best? You may want to see your doctor and have your head checked. No offense.
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#156
Jun 3, 2013
 
ginobili wrote:
MJ's legacy is tainted, Kobe has four titles not three. Stern gave MJ the MJ rules, the refs can not do anything to him nor call any violations on him. Kobe have to earn his keeps and Kobe already have a lot more last second game winning shots than MJ. I give Kobe the nod over MJ but Kobe is not better than Lebron no way.
When LeBron can go five years straight averaging a triple double as Oscar did (his first five years in the league) only then will we consider him in Oscar Robertson's class. Like Oscar, LeBron has a bigger, better body than those around him but doesn't have Oscar's skill set or strength. As for Michael and Kobe, together they don't even have a single years worth of triple doubles, and that is in over 30 years of playing. Jordan is a flashy Jerry West or a taller Allen Iverson who took more shots than anyone else but Iverson. Kobe is more like George Gervin but both Kobe and Mike had a better supporting cast than those they played against. West and Baylor would have beaten Jordan and Pippen. Too bad they had to play against Russell. And what is really sad is that a player Jordan couldn't beat one on one (taller, longer, quicker, better long range shooter and better postup player to boot) died right after being drafted by the Celtics. Could you imagine Bird and a better than Jordan (Len Bias) playing on the same team. Magic and Jabbar, Isiah and Dumars, Michael and Scottie would have all lost to them AND Russell's 11 rings would have been in jeopardy. We also wouldn't have to listen to all the crap about Jordan being the best. Without his rings the hype job he gets wouldn't stand a chance. And even Russell laughs at the idea that Jordan is better than Oscar. As did Red Auerbach, Wilt Chamberlain and many HoFers who saw them both play. Those in the know would say Jordan isn't even a poor man's Elgin Baylor, he just got the support of the NBA and media. Both Oscar and Bird were hailed as the best ever but lst that NBA designation when thy took the league to court. Oscar for league orced localized selections and Bird for free agency. The league lost both cases and still hasn't forgotten. Ever wonder why Oscar has never been invited back by the NBA, now you know.
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#157
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We applaud Mensa8 but would like to add that any "best" designation should come with qualifiers. Let us explain...the best winner was Russell (with 11 rings in 13 years, that's an 84% championship rate. No one comes close). Best motivator was Auerbach/Russell (reason why he had 11rings). Best defender was Russell (too bad they didn't record blocks back then. He had five a night, more than double anyone else). Best Rebounder was Russell/Chamberlain (take your pick). Best scorer was Chamberlain/Jabbar/Jordan depending on how you look at it (Chamberlain 50.4 per game average for a single season, Jabbar most point ever, Jordan/Chamberlain 30.1 career average (though Jordan had a much lower shooting percentage, by over 100 points, and had the benefit of the three point shot)). Best assist man was Stocton. Best Point Guard was Magic. Best Point Forward was Bird. Best basketball IQ was Bird. Best at getting inside opposing players heads was Bird. Best at giving the press oohs and aaahs Jordan/Dr. J (with their dunks). Best all-around skills Oscar. Strongest Oscar. Only two players ever won MVP Awards 3 years in a row (Russell and Bird).
Depending on personal preference and how easy the press can sway feeble minds, you can pick whoever you like as "the best". As for us, we have seen all of the above players and one of our dads played in the NBA. We unanimously believe, as does Red Auerbach, Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain and many Hall of Famers, that the label of best ever should go to the player with the best all-around skills and that clearly is the Big O, Mr. Oscar Robertson. Certainly not Jordan, and LeBron would have to up his game considerably to be worthy of discussion.
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#158
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Interesting that you bring up the court cases against the NBA. Immediately after each case, the NBA backed someone other than Oscar and Bird. After Oscar, the title of best ever went to Russell but he knew better (but an excellent second choice). After Bird, the title went to Jordan who secretly knows better but likes the benefits of having the title, even if it's not true. Jim Brown and Muhammed Ali wanted Jordan to use his new found title of best ever to aid in their cause to uplift blacks but Jordan had to take a pass as a condition of his NBA title was to not make waves as did Oscar and Bird. Now with a new generation wanting their own best player, it appears LeBron gets the nod despite the fact that he would have to up his game considerably for purists to take the comparison to Oscar seriously. Like many wives say...nothing beats the Big O.
He was that good.

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