Cleveland casino will occupy old Higbee department store | The Columbus Dispatch

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Backers say Cleveland's casino will open next year in a former department store to be renovated at a cost of $350 million.

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WOW! I can see everybody is in a cheery mood today.
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Frank Burns wrote:
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Maybe if you were working instead of commenting on Topix, you'd have a little wealth yourself.
Pot calling the kettle black?
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Ohio Veteran wrote:
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What change in location? It is still within the city limits of Cleveland which is what was the original vote specified. We the people voted for casinos to be established in Cleveland, Toledo, Cincinnati, and Columbus, not for specific addresses within those cities. Columbus is the only city that decided not to follow the will of the people and put their casino outside of city limits.
That is incorrect, if you read the constitutional ammendment it states exact parcel numbers where the casinos would be built. Which is why we had to vote to move it.

http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/constituti...
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The Casino here in Columbus should be called the Horse Shoe Casino! Not in Cleveland. If that is not possible why not calling Columbus Casino, The Buckeye Casino!!!
Research or be silent

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We can have a junky park instead of a junky casino. At least with the junky park it no one is traveling there to cause more trouble than already is currently there.
Show me a place - besides the intense opulence of Las Vegas - where a casino has done more good than harm. I couldn't be happier that the few profitable places in downtown won't be ruined by the eyesore of blight and poverty the casino will ultimately be patroned by. As far as I'm concerned, the further on the west side of town the better.
You need to look into the casinos on the river in Indiana where the people living in Lawerenceburg and Rising Sun have VERY low taxes and a better quality of life.....these won't be low class casinos and this one could have made our down town more of a destination with more things to do...most people are like us....go to a casino, play golf, enjoy some nightlife and go home.....City Center would have been perfect......they would have excellent security (better than the new park will have....visitors could have taken in a ballgame or a hocky game...shopped at the stores that would have come with the new casino, eaten out and stayed at one of the hotels ...all the while generating jobs and the economy.....Coleman is a sad loser but Columbus seems to think he has our best interest at heart......he only has the Hispanic babe he has been fooling around with for years at heart......
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Research or be silent wrote:
<quoted text>You need to look into the casinos on the river in Indiana where the people living in Lawerenceburg and Rising Sun have VERY low taxes and a better quality of life.....these won't be low class casinos and this one could have made our down town more of a destination with more things to do...most people are like us....go to a casino, play golf, enjoy some nightlife and go home.....City Center would have been perfect......they would have excellent security (better than the new park will have....visitors could have taken in a ballgame or a hocky game...shopped at the stores that would have come with the new casino, eaten out and stayed at one of the hotels ...all the while generating jobs and the economy.....Coleman is a sad loser but Columbus seems to think he has our best interest at heart......he only has the Hispanic babe he has been fooling around with for years at heart......
I don't dispute most of what you say, however I respectfully ask you the same question I posed to Casino Pit Boss: I do not recall a single instance where Penn National, with the weight of the ballot issue behind them, ever stated publicly that City Center could have been an option. They were the ones calling the shots and originally selected the Arena District location as they wanted the option of building, among other things, their own hotel on site.

If you have information that proves otherwise, please show when and where they (Penn National) said as much. At that point, provided it ever happened and even if it's now a dead issue, we have a conversation.
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How sadly appropriate that we replace a heritage of our prosperous past with a hallmark of our gambling with the future.
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lawrenceburg indiana, per city leaders, the casino's have helped a lot wuth tax $$ and crime is not running crazy like you idiots think. look it up there is your place. I can name more
Name me one that is going to be the size and scope of the casino that is planned in Columbus, along with being less than an hour's drive from a million plus population center. Not to mention this is not the only riverboat casino in the Cinci area.
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Cleveland finally did something smarter than Columbus? I'm shocked!
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papaches wrote:
WOW! I can see everybody is in a cheery mood today.
Come to Florida, bright sunshine, no snow, new airport at PCB, low rates with Southwest. All of this and more will help you mood. Central Ohio, dreary, grey sky, cold.
I need a raise

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Great, now all I need is a raise so I can afford to gamble.
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Cleveland finally did something smarter than Columbus? I'm shocked!
I wondered how long it would take Klumbus residents to bash Cleveland- Use a different tactic-
Cannot compare the 2 cities; Columbus wasn't dependent on industry years ago and therefore didn't suffer the fates of the industrial northeast when the automobile industry went south (literally) and it didn't depend on coal and rubber -so Cleveland, Akron, Youngstown, Steubenville, Toledo, etc. all went downhill. What all of them do have that Columbus doesn't -is old moneyed cultural institutions that Columbus can only dream about. The orchestra and museum in Cleveland is 2nd to none and the Toledo museum is one of the finest in the world and both are totally free -to all. Cleveland easily raised 250m dollars for an expansion and renovation of its world class museum and Columbus had to abandon a plan to even raise 50m from the 50 cent millionaires we have here and charges admission.

All cities, including Columbus, do some things well and some things poorly- but comparing the cities and trashing them doesn't add to the dialog except on this forum.
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How sadly appropriate that we replace a heritage of our prosperous past with a hallmark of our gambling with the future.
Exactly. Society's slide into the sewer continues.

Maybe next we can legalize prostitution and open up some brothels downtown. Then drug dens! Think of the jobs they would create and the tax money they would generate! For the schools! Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!
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City Center, no cost to demo, caching$$$, No cost to redeveloped the site, caching$$$, Hotels that already exist, caching$$$, a tie between the Brewery District that which existed long before the Arena District, caching$$$. Mayor Mike, here's your train set tying them together.

It would be an insult to Forrest Gump to say these idiots are on the same level.
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And Mike Coleman did not think that City Center would have been a good place for a casino. They new before the tore it down that it could have been a site for a casino.
I hope Franklin Township keeps all the taxes to themselves.
That is what Coleman gets for being greedy and power hungry.
"...gets for being greedy and power hungry."
The same could be said of Penn National and their constitutionally written monopoly in Ohio.
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Ehh wrote:
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I don't dispute most of what you say, however I respectfully ask you the same question I posed to Casino Pit Boss: I do not recall a single instance where Penn National, with the weight of the ballot issue behind them, ever stated publicly that City Center could have been an option. They were the ones calling the shots and originally selected the Arena District location as they wanted the option of building, among other things, their own hotel on site.
If you have information that proves otherwise, please show when and where they (Penn National) said as much. At that point, provided it ever happened and even if it's now a dead issue, we have a conversation.
And isn't that the funny thing?!
At the time the casino was wanting to come into town, the City of Columbus was claiming it was BROKE! Remember the income tax hike? At that same time, the city of Columbus had a very valuable piece of property in its posession that they were looking to unload.(City Center Mall)
Ill even agree with you in stating that Penn National never expressed interest in the site.
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Wouldn't it have been logical for our city leaders to shop the idea by them? Or is that too elementary for ol Mayor Mike and his fellow cronies? Maybe locating the casino farther west would have made it harder for his then wife Frankie to obtain the free booze!
I'll see ya later squirt!
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City Center ??????
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Kimmy Gibbler wrote:
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And isn't that the funny thing?!
At the time the casino was wanting to come into town, the City of Columbus was claiming it was BROKE! Remember the income tax hike? At that same time, the city of Columbus had a very valuable piece of property in its posession that they were looking to unload.(City Center Mall)
Ill even agree with you in stating that Penn National never expressed interest in the site.
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Wouldn't it have been logical for our city leaders to shop the idea by them? Or is that too elementary for ol Mayor Mike and his fellow cronies? Maybe locating the casino farther west would have made it harder for his then wife Frankie to obtain the free booze!
I'll see ya later squirt!
I don't disagree (except perhaps with the "squirt" part, LOL), was merely asking those who claim City Center was the ideal locaion for the casino to show that it was ever actually feasible. Again, Penn was calling the shots - had they actually wanted to be there, that's what would have appeared on the ballot, not the Arena District.

I agree that I don't know how much the city wanted to pitch that idea; Coleman's opposition to a casino downtown was well known, and perhaps that is what you and others are driving at...if so, it's a valid (though now dead) argument.

One last point: in order for the City Center property to be "very valuable", as you describe it, there has to be a buyer. Remember that the mall - and the land upon which it sat - were on the market for a long time, no takers. The city believes that turning most of the property into a park will make the parts that will eventually be available for redevelopment more valuable than the cost of demolishing the mall. Crazy? Maybe. Only time will tell. Bottom line, while Gilbert's group thought turning a former retail structure into a casino is a great idea, there is no evidence (of which I am aware) that Penn National feels or ever felt the same way.
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Why do we get the strip mall casino?
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ron wrote:
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I wondered how long it would take Klumbus residents to bash Cleveland- Use a different tactic-
Cannot compare the 2 cities; Columbus wasn't dependent on industry years ago and therefore didn't suffer the fates of the industrial northeast when the automobile industry went south (literally) and it didn't depend on coal and rubber -so Cleveland, Akron, Youngstown, Steubenville, Toledo, etc. all went downhill. What all of them do have that Columbus doesn't -is old moneyed cultural institutions that Columbus can only dream about. The orchestra and museum in Cleveland is 2nd to none and the Toledo museum is one of the finest in the world and both are totally free -to all. Cleveland easily raised 250m dollars for an expansion and renovation of its world class museum and Columbus had to abandon a plan to even raise 50m from the 50 cent millionaires we have here and charges admission.
All cities, including Columbus, do some things well and some things poorly- but comparing the cities and trashing them doesn't add to the dialog except on this forum.
Sir, I was being serious--for once.

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