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Developer halts work on two casinos | The Columbus Dispatch

There are 79 comments on the Columbus Dispatch story from May 12, 2011, titled Developer halts work on two casinos | The Columbus Dispatch. In it, Columbus Dispatch reports that:

A group including Cleveland Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert called a timeout on construction of casinos in Cleveland and Cincinnati yesterday.

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Osama

Mission Viejo, CA

#64 May 12, 2011
All the teenage mothers need place to gamble.
Enzyte Bob

Chicago, IL

#65 May 12, 2011
AND KILL THE ELDERS AND MIDDLE CLASS!!! DUMMY!
-You liberals hate the rich, right?
-And you liberals hate evil corporations, right?
-And you hate them because you think they make a lot of money at your expense, right

So, let me get this straight. You hate Kasich because he is trying to squeeze more money for the state out of a rich guy (Gilbert) and a shady corporation (Penn National)?

Is that what you libs are trying to tell everybody?

LMAO!
Enzyte Bob

Chicago, IL

#66 May 12, 2011
-You liberals hate the rich, right?
-And you liberals hate evil corporations, right?
-And you hate them because you think they make a lot of money at your expense, right

So, let me get this straight. You hate Kasich because he is trying to squeeze more money for the state out of a rich guy (Gilbert) and a shady corporation (Penn National)?

Is that what you libs are trying to tell everybody?

LMAO!
Enzyte Bob

Chicago, IL

#67 May 12, 2011
The casinos are trying to skip out on paying the CAT tax, which is a tax on gross receipts and replaced the income tax. BUT, they are trying to change the definintion of "gross receipts" to really be "net receipts".

In other words, they want a special exception to the law so they don't have to pay the same tax everybody else pays.

Now I'm just guessing here, but reading between the lines, Kasich either said, "Fine, if you pay an upfront fee." or Kasich told them to go pound salt.

The casinos aren't getting what they want, so they are stomping their feet, just as they did here when they couldn't get water and goodies on their terms.

That's at least my interpretation.

The constitutional amendment is very clear:(The casino) "shall be subject to all customary non-discriminatory fees, taxes, and other charges that are applied to, levied against, or OTHERWISE IMPOSED GENERALLY UPON OTHER OHIO BUSINESSES, their gross or net revenues, their operations, their owners, and their property."

If Kroger pays the CAT tax, then so must the casino.

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http://supermarketnews.com/news/ohio_tax_0921...

Ohio Court Upholds Tax Collection From Grocers
Sep 21, 2009 6:00 AM

COLUMBUS, Ohio — In a blow to grocers, Ohio’s Supreme Court here has ruled the state’s commercial activity tax (CAT) is constitutional and not an excise tax on food.

The 6-1 decision overturned a district court finding in favor of supermarket operators under the Ohio Grocers Association, which had sued for an exemption from the CAT — a business tax enacted by the state in 2005.

Because the CAT is calculated from gross receipts, the association contended it was a tax on food sales. The tax is a flat fee of $150 for businesses with $150,000 to $1 million in annual sales and is assessed at 0.26% for businesses with more than $1 million in sales.

The Supreme Court ruled the CAT was a franchise tax levied on all businesses. About $730 million in tax revenue was at stake, according to published reports.
freeloader

Canal Winchester, OH

#69 May 12, 2011
Aahhhh.....
Temper tantrum!
Typical of the Casino managers/owners when they don't get their way.
No matter that they convinced the voters of one thing and then do something else.
No matter that they can't find it in their hearts to be good corporate citizens.
After all, looky, looky - they aren't really FROM here, are they?
freeloader

Canal Winchester, OH

#70 May 12, 2011
ramseyjames wrote:
and create 4,000 construction jobs and about 3,300 casino jobs > well, here is 7,000 jobs this numbnuts, pretending to be a governor, has either delayed or elimnated! I continue to be amazed that folks were fool enough to vote for this self-serving MORON!
Those 4000 construction jobs are temporary. How many will even last a year?
If you are counting jobs, figure one employee at over 2000 hours working per year - preferably more than one year.
LOL

United States

#71 May 12, 2011
Have you seen those areas outside of the casinos, all slums. Atlantic City, Las Vegas the areas adjacent to the Casino areas all slums.
Nickel Yo

Columbus, OH

#72 May 12, 2011
Funny how the Dispatch isn't reporting about how Kasich is paying his Atty buddies a percentage of the increase on the casinos.... just saying
Enzyte Bob

Chicago, IL

#73 May 12, 2011
Ted wrote:
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Hey bright guy, CAT has been around, started under Taft, not Strickland. Has never been applied to earnings like Bobin Hood and his Merry Band of Ding Dongs are trying to do to casinos. Why do you think they had to put language in budget bill to do it this way.
Why are you people so stupid?

Before the CAT Tax, business paid both an income tax and a tax on personal property. The tax system was changed to make it more business friendly. With the input of business, they devised the CAT tax, which is 26 cents on every $100 dollar a company takes in in gross revenue. This is similar to the corporate tax paid in Texas and makes us the most tax-friendly business state in the Midwest and Great Lakes.

Every company pays it on every dollar they take in. They do not get a deduction for cost of good sold (which is analogous to payouts to winners). The grocery retailers tried to fight it and the Supreme Court slammed them down.

The CAT tax has always been a tax on GROSS REVENUES (i.e. every single dollar that comes into a business). The casinos, the same people promising this state all this free money, are asking that an exception be made for them that effectively would pay a CAT on NET REVENUES.

Furthermore, the state got shortchanged when it came to doling out casino money. Most money is distributed to other entities and not the State of Ohio.

Is this what you want? You want to start carving out exceptions for people so they get tax breaks forcing the CAT to eventually go up again?
Enzyte Bob

Seychelles

#74 May 12, 2011
Ted wrote:
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Hey bright guy, CAT has been around, started under Taft, not Strickland. Has never been applied to earnings like Bobin Hood and his Merry Band of Ding Dongs are trying to do to casinos. Why do you think they had to put language in budget bill to do it this way.
Why are you people so stupid?

Before the CAT Tax, business paid both an income tax and a tax on personal property. The tax system was changed to make it more business friendly. With the input of business, they devised the CAT tax, which is 26 cents on every $100 dollar a company takes in in gross revenue. This is similar to the corporate tax paid in Texas and makes us the most tax-friendly business state in the Midwest and Great Lakes.

Every company pays it on every dollar they take in. They do not get a deduction for cost of good sold (which is analogous to payouts to winners). The grocery retailers tried to fight it and the Supreme Court slammed them down.

The CAT tax has always been a tax on GROSS REVENUES (i.e. every single dollar that comes into a business). The casinos, the same people promising this state all this free money, are asking that an exception be made for them that effectively would pay a CAT on NET REVENUES.

Furthermore, the state got shortchanged when it came to doling out casino money. Most money is distributed to other entities and not the State of Ohio.

Is this what you want? You want to start carving out exceptions for people so they get tax breaks forcing the CAT to eventually go up again?
Taxes for Everyone

Hilliard, OH

#75 May 12, 2011
Enzyte Bob, don't you have anything better to do!! You have like a gazillion comments from all hours of the day! But give it up. Kasich is a tool and has lost all credibility with his handling of this casino issue. Then again, he lost it a few months ago, IMHO.
Enzyte Bob

Chicago, IL

#76 May 12, 2011
Taxes for Everyone wrote:
Enzyte Bob, don't you have anything better to do!! You have like a gazillion comments from all hours of the day! But give it up. Kasich is a tool and has lost all credibility with his handling of this casino issue. Then again, he lost it a few months ago, IMHO.
I was sick earlier in the week and working on something extremely boring all day today. Thanks for asking, though.
BubbaJuan

Lancaster, OH

#77 May 15, 2011
What a Clusterf**K ! The one area where Ohioans have any chance of economic development and the politicians Foul it up. Is this because Kasich wants the Casinos to kick more back to Ohio or rather to his own political fund ?!
BubbaJuan

Lancaster, OH

#78 May 15, 2011
Osama wrote:
All the teenage mothers need place to gamble.
All the teenage mothers on Welfare need a place to gamble our tax dollars away. Hey look at it this way, it might be considered rehabilitation because the more they drop on gambling the less they have to spend on drugs. Oh I forgot, their pimps will just have them cut out sleeping so they can hook for more money.
Moving to Texas

United States

#79 May 15, 2011
Look at it this way. Each day the casinos are delayed is a day that the ones who can't afford to gamble their money away, will be able to keep it and pay their bills. Ha, Ha, Ha, I realize that Ted and his union buddies are not getting their payback, buts that's OK. In fact, "It's a Good Thing."
Browns Fan

Columbus, OH

#80 May 19, 2011
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Why are you people so stupid?
Before the CAT Tax, business paid both an income tax and a tax on personal property. The tax system was changed to make it more business friendly. With the input of business, they devised the CAT tax, which is 26 cents on every $100 dollar a company takes in in gross revenue. This is similar to the corporate tax paid in Texas and makes us the most tax-friendly business state in the Midwest and Great Lakes.
Every company pays it on every dollar they take in. They do not get a deduction for cost of good sold (which is analogous to payouts to winners). The grocery retailers tried to fight it and the Supreme Court slammed them down.
The CAT tax has always been a tax on GROSS REVENUES (i.e. every single dollar that comes into a business). The casinos, the same people promising this state all this free money, are asking that an exception be made for them that effectively would pay a CAT on NET REVENUES.
Furthermore, the state got shortchanged when it came to doling out casino money. Most money is distributed to other entities and not the State of Ohio.
Is this what you want? You want to start carving out exceptions for people so they get tax breaks forcing the CAT to eventually go up again?
I hate to say it, but I actually agree with Enzyte Bob on this. Good job explaining what the CAT is.
Paid Customer Enzyte Bob

Seychelles

#81 May 19, 2011
Browns Fan wrote:
<quoted text>
I hate to say it, but I actually agree with Enzyte Bob on this. Good job explaining what the CAT is.
I know it hurts when you have to agree with me. I feel your pain.
Browns Fan

Columbus, OH

#82 May 19, 2011
And by the way, how are you still allowed to post as Enzyte Bob? I thought you had been banned. Is it your new location in New York?
Paid Customer Enzyte Bob

Seychelles

#83 May 19, 2011
Browns Fan wrote:
And by the way, how are you still allowed to post as Enzyte Bob? I thought you had been banned. Is it your new location in New York?
They banned my IP Address at home (which has been reset). But they haven't banned my office or any of the other places you'll find me with my laptop (McDonalds, Panera, Starbucks, Bob Evans, etc.) They banned at least three registered user ID's. They also banned unregistered "Enzyte Bob".

I now use an anonymous proxy from home and if they ban any of my other "Enzyte Bob" nicknames, I can always change to "Enzyyte Bob" or "Enzite Bob" pr "Enzyyyyyte Bob" or "Enziyiyiyiyyte Bob".

Get the idea? It's a losing proposition for them.

Not only that, but by banning me while they make it slightly harder to post, they actually made it easier for me to see which articles they delete.

They will never get rid of me. I will voluntarily leave once I get bored, however. They could also just cut me a check. LMAO!

Bottom line is that I don't challenge them when I know I go over the line, but they are too quick to pull the trigger on my posts. That's why they have made a new enemy!!!!!!!!!!

That's also why I remind them with my new name that it is a PAYING CUSTOMER they risk urinating off with their effete sensibilities!

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