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“Timshel”

Since: Jan 12

Tulsa, OK

#60808 Feb 15, 2013
rrenault wrote:
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Google what is that?
http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/shaun_p...
Showtime

San Gabriel, CA

#60809 Feb 15, 2013
_Jusayin_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Show...My bro...The Jordan rules WERE NOT created to help MJ, they were made to LIMIT and NULLIFY MJ.
You need to go watch how they used to basically TACKLE MJ going into the lane and while he was in the air. Those tactics would create all out brawls in todays game and players would miss entire seasons for it now. Jordan until he overcame the Pistons and the Knicks didn't have it easy at all. It was only after HE EARNED IT that he got favorable calls.
I made a mistake there, I think sammy had me a bit rattled, I found myself defending myself more than actually creating a good read, yup your right I forgot that scripture in the Jordan bible lol.... I dont know why I wrote that, I think watching tv and having the radio on doesn't help , you can dismiss that your right about that.
Showtime

San Gabriel, CA

#60810 Feb 15, 2013
_Jusayin_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Dont apologize for saying what you feel. It's your right to vent amongst friends and if we were to take offense and blast you what kinda friends would we be?
We don't want to blast you anyway, we want you to come over to our side and see the Jordan we see then make up your mind.
I Appreciate that, i just had enough of Jordan, I swore I would not get into more kobe Jordan talk, now it was lebron Jordan, when it is it gonna end lol, I just had enough of it, I personally dont believe in there being a player you can call greatest of all time, but thats my opinion, I think different eras make it difficult to determine that, I guess I am sick of hearing about JOrdans championships, when in my belief its not fair to todays athletes cause the NBA keeps changing.......well anyway I dont know how long I have known you, but I really try to stay clear of debates cause to me its nothing more than arguing, I just like to share my opinion.....Sammy I known him a lot longer thats why I thought he might just be toying with me cause he knows im sick of jordan lol.....its all good not important anyway.

“Rough road ahead”

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#60811 Feb 15, 2013
_Jusayin_ wrote:
<quoted text>
I've been wrong, I'll undoubtedly be wrong again but I ain't wrong about this. If my memory serves correctly, Shaq and Webber weren't even in the league when Jordan started wearing the longer, baggy shorts.
Not only do I remember this because I idolized MJ for B-ball but Google is a useful tool as well. Use it my friend. ;)
Hey guess what I just used that thing that you mentioned google, to watch video of 1992 finals, guess who is not wearing big shorts?

MJ his shorts are above his knees.
Funny thing is the next season webber wore huge baggy shorts as a Rookie for G.S. a trend he brought from playing at Michigan him and the Fab five.

Feel free to use your google video.

As I said it wasn't mj.:-)

“Timshel”

Since: Jan 12

Tulsa, OK

#60812 Feb 15, 2013
No problem Show...I'll just say this about Jordan and leave you be to see for yourself if and when you want to.

You talk of era's affecting one's judgement. People like to say to discount MJ that the talent level in the NBA was weaker than it is today which is ironic because the NBA of today was made by MJ from the way the players play to the refereeing and rules of today.

To my point, in today's game you can't hand check or double team whenever you want. In MJ's time you could and it was physical to a brutish nature most times. Granted today we have a plethora of good shut down defenders which wasn't necessarily the case in MJ's day BUT what MJ did have was 2 very good defenders he usually had to beat coming at him all the time.

Jordan IMO is the greatest ever because he dominated every team and every player in the NBA from the smallest to the tallest he destroyed all of them.

People say Kareem had the most unstoppable shot. Did Kareem have to sky-hook over guys 5-6 inches taller daily? No. Jordan had his fade away that he made over ANYBODY.

Lastly, about whether or not Jordan could beat Kobe or LBJ? I say yes. His mental approach and toughness is unparalleled. Couple that with his skills and physical abilities...? His game transcends because he was light years ahead then and we still see nobody has caught up today. Kobe's game is a mirror image of MJ's yet he's still nowhere near MJ and I love Kobe but I respect Kobe for being himself but remember, Kobe is the first to say MJ is the best. No question.

“Timshel”

Since: Jan 12

Tulsa, OK

#60813 Feb 15, 2013
rrenault wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey guess what I just used that thing that you mentioned google, to watch video of 1992 finals, guess who is not wearing big shorts?
MJ his shorts are above his knees.
Funny thing is the next season webber wore huge baggy shorts as a Rookie for G.S. a trend he brought from playing at Michigan him and the Fab five.
Feel free to use your google video.
As I said it wasn't mj.:-)
Ok RR. Based on a couple past comments you've made to me I have the feeling you're the type of person who always thinks they're right no matter what. So even though the world believes MJ was the first to wear the baggier, longer shorts(from the skin tight Dasie Dukes)in the NBA and I saw it for myself with my own two eyes, you're right.

CWebb DID bring in the "gangsta" style but only after MJ changed the style but whatever.

“Rough road ahead”

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#60814 Feb 16, 2013
_Jusayin_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok RR. Based on a couple past comments you've made to me I have the feeling you're the type of person who always thinks they're right no matter what. So even though the world believes MJ was the first to wear the baggier, longer shorts(from the skin tight Dasie Dukes)in the NBA and I saw it for myself with my own two eyes, you're right.
CWebb DID bring in the "gangsta" style but only after MJ changed the style but whatever.
Wait I can say the say thing about you....LOL

You sent me to google, I watched video from the 1992 finals mj had no long shorts, video of webber 1992/1993 rookie season long baggy shorts and you still telling me that he did only after MJ changed?
Webber wore his baggy shorts in Michigan duding his 1992 college season.

This is recorded on video.

Now who thinks his always right?...HA HA HA

Is not that I think I'm right it's on video!...lol
Showtime

San Gabriel, CA

#60815 Feb 16, 2013
_Jusayin_ wrote:
No problem Show...I'll just say this about Jordan and leave you be to see for yourself if and when you want to.
You talk of era's affecting one's judgement. People like to say to discount MJ that the talent level in the NBA was weaker than it is today which is ironic because the NBA of today was made by MJ from the way the players play to the refereeing and rules of today.
To my point, in today's game you can't hand check or double team whenever you want. In MJ's time you could and it was physical to a brutish nature most times. Granted today we have a plethora of good shut down defenders which wasn't necessarily the case in MJ's day BUT what MJ did have was 2 very good defenders he usually had to beat coming at him all the time.
Jordan IMO is the greatest ever because he dominated every team and every player in the NBA from the smallest to the tallest he destroyed all of them.
People say Kareem had the most unstoppable shot. Did Kareem have to sky-hook over guys 5-6 inches taller daily? No. Jordan had his fade away that he made over ANYBODY.
Lastly, about whether or not Jordan could beat Kobe or LBJ? I say yes. His mental approach and toughness is unparalleled. Couple that with his skills and physical abilities...? His game transcends because he was light years ahead then and we still see nobody has caught up today. Kobe's game is a mirror image of MJ's yet he's still nowhere near MJ and I love Kobe but I respect Kobe for being himself but remember, Kobe is the first to say MJ is the best. No question.
You had to get that off your chest didn't you lol...Look your entitled to your opinion, I am a reasonable person or at least I like to think so, I think it safe to say we are both a bit biased, we are only human so it happens that is why debates go on. Jordan came first so by the time kobe started to get good they already had a blue print in mind on how to stop kobe, maybe that is why kobe shoots 3s more than jordan does. Well obviously JOrdans numbers look nicer, his career looks nicer and it always will, but I think it certainly has something to do with the slower shorter players he went against, they say speed kills for a reason, pick your poison today. Jordan could hand check, todays guys cant, so it was easier for JOrdan to play defense, thats the flip side of it, Jordan was so far superior in his day its just not fair to go based on careers but you do as you please. The nba changed the rules to allow more flow on the offense, for the entertainment value.

Last thing, I can't take away who jordan is, or what he did he was excellent, but i can question his competition and that is not his fault, but I do blame the media for over hyping players to the point where it gets ridiculous, and people are scared to even approach saying anyone is better than Jordan. If I had to start a team it be Magic johnson that be my guy, but that is a whole other story, point is I dont think ther is a GOAT just in our own little opinions, there is no right or wrong.
Showtime

San Gabriel, CA

#60816 Feb 16, 2013
Anyway Back to todays NBA, the trade deadline is coming up, you guys think anything is gonna happen?

“Rough road ahead”

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#60817 Feb 16, 2013
Hey Show did you get to watch the interview with Mitch in time warner sportsnet, backstage lakers?

He talks injuries, coaching changed, he talks Pau,Howard, trade deadline and other things.

It was originally aired 02/13/13, not sure when it was actually recorded, but it touches very current events for the team.

“Rough road ahead”

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#60818 Feb 16, 2013
I was hearing on the radio, Jalen Rose talking about
the Lakers moving Howard before the trade deadline.

Lakers keeping D'antoni at the end of the season,keeping Pau if he wants to stay.

I'm sorry but he talk some much bs, he made some good points to back up his crap.

Lakers paying brown's salary and now d'antoni how he doesn't see the Lakers getting into a contract with new coach.

I believe he could be right as long as the Lakers move Howard before the trade deadline.
If they keep him I don't know, it may come down on
who they want to build around the coach or the player unless they managed to convince Howard to give D'antoni another shot.

I personally don't like most of what comes out Jalen mouth, most of the time it doesn't make sense, but he sells it like no other.

Plus if Mitch was being honest about what he said in his interview, I don't think the Lakers will make a move on the core of the team which according to him is Pau, Kobe, Nash and Howard.

But he did hint that role players are a possibility.
Showtime

San Gabriel, CA

#60819 Feb 16, 2013
rrenault wrote:
Hey Show did you get to watch the interview with Mitch in time warner sportsnet, backstage lakers?
He talks injuries, coaching changed, he talks Pau,Howard, trade deadline and other things.
It was originally aired 02/13/13, not sure when it was actually recorded, but it touches very current events for the team.
NO I did not, since the lakers have been so bad, I have not wanted to revisit any bad moments lol, I know it gives you a different look behind the scenes but right now the lakers have me so pissed, all I care about is how we are gonna get better. Do you think they will make any deal before the deadline? I think maybe a small trade but nothing major.
Showtime

San Gabriel, CA

#60820 Feb 16, 2013
rrenault wrote:
I was hearing on the radio, Jalen Rose talking about
the Lakers moving Howard before the trade deadline.
Lakers keeping D'antoni at the end of the season,keeping Pau if he wants to stay.
I'm sorry but he talk some much bs, he made some good points to back up his crap.
Lakers paying brown's salary and now d'antoni how he doesn't see the Lakers getting into a contract with new coach.
I believe he could be right as long as the Lakers move Howard before the trade deadline.
If they keep him I don't know, it may come down on
who they want to build around the coach or the player unless they managed to convince Howard to give D'antoni another shot.
I personally don't like most of what comes out Jalen mouth, most of the time it doesn't make sense, but he sells it like no other.
Plus if Mitch was being honest about what he said in his interview, I don't think the Lakers will make a move on the core of the team which according to him is Pau, Kobe, Nash and Howard.
But he did hint that role players are a possibility.
Yeah I heard most of it, I personally don't have a problem with Jalen, I don't really think hes a hater, cause hes said plenty of good things about the lakers when they were good, but I find him extremely boring, hes done radio and good god that dude has no personality whats so ever. I disagree with him, I don't think anything will stop the lakers from getting a new head coach if they feel D'antoni is not right for the team. Lakers have put themselves in very difficult position, either D'antoni goes, or you have to get rid of metta, possibly pau, and howard all because you want to see a fast paced offense for better show, I think in the end the lakers will realize their mistake and fix it, at least I hope.
sam

Acton, Canada

#60821 Feb 16, 2013
_Jusayin_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Preach on Sammy! I could read all you want to write about Jordan all day! You hit the nail on the head when you said you had to WATCH it and LIVE it back then. I was fortunate to get WGN on my local cable here in Oklahoma back then and I watched every game the aired on top of the nationally televised Bulls games.
Answer this Sammy, in any given game...4th quarter, 4 minutes or less to go, Bulls down by however many and Jordan has the ball(I'm getting goose bumps just writing this)...Were you standing up wherever you were watching the game and saying aloud or to yourself - You've got this Jordan, do him, he can't guard you - and many more times than not, Jordan makes those shots, brings the Bulls back to a victory...It's hard to explain. The man rarely ever let us down. No other athlete I've ever seen has been able to do that time and time again and I'm a massive supporter of Manchester United since the 90's, the 9ers since the 80's, obviously the Bulls and Lakers for decades and all of the athletes on those teams I love non can come close to Jordan in the way he made you feel when you loved him when it was crunch time and the way he made you feel if you hated him when it was crunch time because like him or not, you knew Jordan was going to will a victory one way or another. Unprecedented and unrivaled to this day and for the foreseeable future.
OMG Sayin!!!!!. Dude we have alot in common. Iam a huge Man U fan and love soccer. In fact I coach it up here. You can't say it enough. I too also watched on the super station WGN and truly miss Johmmy Red Kerr's play by play. Thats exactly what I was trying to say. No one will ever feel those clutch situations. Yes I was standing up yelling literally and consistently. I don't have that same feel today(sometimes). You can't say 90's were gloom and MJ was lucky. No way. Glad you understand, some don't because they never lived it. I alo lived through the Dr J , another guy who changed the game. If it wasn't for him I would not have received a scholorship to Niagara University. I tried to copy his game. However I blew out my knees. I can only imagine kids who looked up to tried to copy MJ, by then I was done and resorted to pick up games as the knees reduced my spped. Oh well thanks for that.
sam

Acton, Canada

#60822 Feb 16, 2013
Johnny
sam

Acton, Canada

#60823 Feb 16, 2013
Sorry sayin for erors, computer is a mess...lol
sam

Acton, Canada

#60824 Feb 16, 2013
_Jusayin_ wrote:
Sammy, you remember MJ was the first to wear the long, baggy shorts and made it the thing to do too?
Remember it well. Always wore the North Carolina shorts underneath for luck thats why you couldn't see them because he had more length than any other player. Only to find others were doing it. Then came all black shoes , ta da other teams started doing it. Shaved head, other players started doing it. Shall I go on? Yes like the commercial said.
Black Mamba

United States

#60825 Feb 16, 2013
_Jusayin_ wrote:
No problem Show...I'll just say this about Jordan and leave you be to see for yourself if and when you want to.
You talk of era's affecting one's judgement. People like to say to discount MJ that the talent level in the NBA was weaker than it is today which is ironic because the NBA of today was made by MJ from the way the players play to the refereeing and rules of today.
To my point, in today's game you can't hand check or double team whenever you want. In MJ's time you could and it was physical to a brutish nature most times. Granted today we have a plethora of good shut down defenders which wasn't necessarily the case in MJ's day BUT what MJ did have was 2 very good defenders he usually had to beat coming at him all the time.
Jordan IMO is the greatest ever because he dominated every team and every player in the NBA from the smallest to the tallest he destroyed all of them.
People say Kareem had the most unstoppable shot. Did Kareem have to sky-hook over guys 5-6 inches taller daily? No. Jordan had his fade away that he made over ANYBODY.
Lastly, about whether or not Jordan could beat Kobe or LBJ? I say yes. His mental approach and toughness is unparalleled. Couple that with his skills and physical abilities...? His game transcends because he was light years ahead then and we still see nobody has caught up today. Kobe's game is a mirror image of MJ's yet he's still nowhere near MJ and I love Kobe but I respect Kobe for being himself but remember, Kobe is the first to say MJ is the best. No question.
You bring up some excellent points on your post especially how the game had changed over the years. I had no problem with Jordan, but Kobe is my favorite player of all time. Their games are very similar and the only things Kobe had over Jordan was better footwork and a better 3 point shot. Jordan fans don't like to hear that at all and some of them are mad because Kobe is only one ring behind him lol. Lebron is the best player in the NBA, but his fans get mad at me when I say he won't have a better career than Kobe. Even Jordan said in recent interview that 5 is better than 1. Sometimes fans forget that you become a bigger legend when you win titles. I always tell Lebron fans that he won't get 5 rings. I really don't see it. It's my opinion, but I guess they know it may be true because they forgot about the whole picture about a overall career.
sam

Acton, Canada

#60826 Feb 16, 2013
rrenault wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey guess what I just used that thing that you mentioned google, to watch video of 1992 finals, guess who is not wearing big shorts?
MJ his shorts are above his knees.
Funny thing is the next season webber wore huge baggy shorts as a Rookie for G.S. a trend he brought from playing at Michigan him and the Fab five.
Feel free to use your google video.
As I said it wasn't mj.:-)
Chee so perhaps he shortened for a time . Come on , truly does that take away from his accomplishments?
Black Mamba

United States

#60827 Feb 16, 2013
sam wrote:
<quoted text>lol.... And Sunday? east? west? mvp? Slam dunk?
I want the west to win, but I have a feeling the easy will win. The MVP will be Queen Lebrick James. Isn't the 3 point shootout tonight also? I got Steve Discount Double Deck Check Novak winning that. I wonder what the help they are going to be jumping over his year in the slam dunk contest? It's gonna suck because they are running out of ideas.

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