Sammy

Brampton, Canada

#59627 Jan 12, 2013
Bewitched wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't think any fans of any team ever stop stressing. At least not until the NBA Finals is done and won. But then there's the next season to worry about. lol
Loved the movie "Lincoln!" Daniel Day Lewis should win an Oscar with that performance. If anybody in here likes history, you'll really like this one.
I don't know B.I was really disappointed with Lincoln. When I nod off peridiodically through a movie, then it doesn't interest me. Too each is own but I found it to be quite boring. Acting was tremendous and I believe that's how Lincoln would have been but what a yawner.
Sammy

Brampton, Canada

#59628 Jan 12, 2013
Bewitched wrote:
I looked back a ways and found 4 references to the Lakers aging:
Post 59289 Big Tim
Post 59629 Jusayin
Post 59572 Show
Post 59597 RR
Hope this helps. Actually, I think you have been mentioning it from time to time since last season.
Sorry B, someone said it recently. Guess the true Laker fans feel their team is old not the outsiders. Hmmm
Sammy

Brampton, Canada

#59629 Jan 12, 2013
Showtime wrote:
<quoted text> HMm well I cant find it, but I could have sworn you told bewitched, something to the effect of you been saying it for a long time, that these teams are getting old, and the new younger teams will take over, now if you didn't mean the lakers at all then who did you mean? If you didn't mean the lakers at all then I apologize I thought you were including the lakers in that....but I been hearing it all over the media that the lakers are too old, I am not trying to defend the lakers, I just dont want the lakers to have some phony excuse that they are too old, they are just lazy on defense, but inuries have alos been a huge factor.
Yes I did say teams are getting older ala Celtics and yes changing of the guards. We can debate that to death because its clearly evident. I never said you're team was old but its not exactly young either compared to many teams in the league who are far ahead of the lakers and yes younger.. Besides even if I did say they were old which I believe you quoted as per B's post, what difference does it make. Is that insulting? Age is wisdom and experience which I repeated many times in this room. So I don't where you are going with the age thing. Care to explain?

Since: Apr 08

Akron, Ohio

#59630 Jan 12, 2013
Sammy wrote:
<quoted text> I don't know B.I was really disappointed with Lincoln. When I nod off peridiodically through a movie, then it doesn't interest me. Too each is own but I found it to be quite boring. Acting was tremendous and I believe that's how Lincoln would have been but what a yawner.
ha ha Are you one of those guys that like explosions, guns and car chases? j/k Hey, we're all different in movie preferences. Just a note ... "Lincoln" got 12 Oscar nominations.
Ginobili

San Francisco, CA

#59631 Jan 12, 2013
Age is not the problem, the team is not playing as a unit in offense and defense. Pau is playing out of position, put him in the post alongside Howard, double post. KoMe needs to play better w/o the ball. Leave most of the ball handling to Nash. Meeks, Peace need to hit their shots . all Lakers need to know how to play defense, they are allowing a lot of points and easy points at that. Slow down the tempo of the other team by boxing out and rebounding both on dfense and offense. do not give up easy layups and second chance shots.
Sammy

Brampton, Canada

#59632 Jan 12, 2013
Bewitched wrote:
<quoted text>
ha ha Are you one of those guys that like explosions, guns and car chases? j/k Hey, we're all different in movie preferences. Just a note ... "Lincoln" got 12 Oscar nominations.
Oh trust me I know about all the accolades, in fact I forgot to mention the Oscar nominations. Yes we all have differences I agree there. Umm for me, I love comedy mostly(can't you tell?) Drama I like too. As for guns etc, ah not so much. Horror I like too. Lincoln sorry didn't do anything for me. I recently saw flight with Denzel, I actually enjoyed that. I watch movies everyweekend(bootleg dvd)

Since: Apr 08

Akron, Ohio

#59633 Jan 12, 2013
Sammy wrote:
<quoted text> Sorry B, someone said it recently. Guess the true Laker fans feel their team is old not the outsiders. Hmmm
I don't really know the Lakers' ages, so I doubt I would say anything about them. If I did, it wasn't to hurt anybody's feelings.

I remember somebody commenting on Jamison being old, when he arrived in LA. Show, was it that far back?
Sammy

Brampton, Canada

#59634 Jan 12, 2013
Ginobili wrote:
Age is not the problem, the team is not playing as a unit in offense and defense. Pau is playing out of position, put him in the post alongside Howard, double post. KoMe needs to play better w/o the ball. Leave most of the ball handling to Nash. Meeks, Peace need to hit their shots . all Lakers need to know how to play defense, they are allowing a lot of points and easy points at that. Slow down the tempo of the other team by boxing out and rebounding both on dfense and offense. do not give up easy layups and second chance shots.
I think you're old before we even get into the Lakers. Dude your comment is nothing but Lurking, copy and paste. We heard all this before. Age will always be a factor in any equation. Its all how its utilized.
Sammy

Brampton, Canada

#59635 Jan 12, 2013
@ Ginoflake...ok brainchild . Please tell us your techical solution to slowing down OKC or GSW or Lob city. Please tell us. Hello if the Laker guys are not buying into anything then make a change. Its that simple. Change being , perhaps wrong mix or a coach that has system that doesn't work.
Sammy

Brampton, Canada

#59636 Jan 12, 2013
Bewitched wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't really know the Lakers' ages, so I doubt I would say anything about them. If I did, it wasn't to hurt anybody's feelings.
I remember somebody commenting on Jamison being old, when he arrived in LA. Show, was it that far back?
I recall that too along with Nash. Same here, if the reality is age then fess up and accept. Take it how you like but it doesn't always mean we are being offensive. Personally I could care less what their age are nor do I really know but what I do observe is if you have has been or so called stars like Metta, Pau, Kobe and Nash compared to say our team with probably no one over 30 that's a difference. There are several teams like us. What it boils down to is once you hear a star name and he's past 32 its assumed old or the rest of team is. Just my take.
Dwhite12

Ocoee, FL

#59637 Jan 12, 2013
Friday night Jordan Hill showed up in street clothes to Staples Center and didnít look good limping down the hall. Slowly. It hurt to watch him walk. Turns out it was with good reason ó he needs hip surgery and will be out for the season, the Lakers reported. NBCSports.com
Sammy

Canada

#59638 Jan 12, 2013
Dwhite12 wrote:
Friday night Jordan Hill showed up in street clothes to Staples Center and didnít look good limping down the hall. Slowly. It hurt to watch him walk. Turns out it was with good reason ó he needs hip surgery and will be out for the season, the Lakers reported. NBCSports.com
Hip not good. Lucky he is still young.
Showtime

San Gabriel, CA

#59639 Jan 12, 2013
Sammy wrote:
<quoted text> No I believe it was B who mentioned that and if I am wrong I apologize.
I only read what you wrote not what Bewitched wrote, but it doesn't matter, I dont mind if you think the lakers are too old, or if Bewitched thinks they are its fine, I just got tired of hearing it from the media like every day, and I dont think its an excuse, I wont bail the lakkers out by saying they are too old to play defense, dont worry about it sammy .
Showtime

San Gabriel, CA

#59640 Jan 12, 2013
Bewitched wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't really know the Lakers' ages, so I doubt I would say anything about them. If I did, it wasn't to hurt anybody's feelings.
I remember somebody commenting on Jamison being old, when he arrived in LA. Show, was it that far back?
Don't worry guys you didn't hurt my feelings or anything, I am disappointed with my lakers, and I hear it everyday on the radio or on tv that they are too old, and for me its like a bail out for them, and I am infact trying to be hard on the lakers not trying to defend them, I dont want the old excuse cause I see the spurs, knicks, and even the celtics doing better, so I dont want to use that excuse, although injuries have been terrible...but my comments wasn't directed at you guys, Laker fans are not use to this , its been a strange year, I just hope my niners win today .
Showtime

San Gabriel, CA

#59641 Jan 12, 2013
Sammy wrote:
<quoted text> Yes I did say teams are getting older ala Celtics and yes changing of the guards. We can debate that to death because its clearly evident. I never said you're team was old but its not exactly young either compared to many teams in the league who are far ahead of the lakers and yes younger.. Besides even if I did say they were old which I believe you quoted as per B's post, what difference does it make. Is that insulting? Age is wisdom and experience which I repeated many times in this room. So I don't where you are going with the age thing. Care to explain?
LOL Sammy chill , I wasn't going anywhere with this, I frankly dont care if you think my team is too old, your basically implying it by saying changing of the guard so to me thats the same thing only different words, I really dont care its fine, but I dont know why you have to deny anything in the first place, if you think they are too old just say it...I disagree I think that's a cop out for the lakers, you see to me that is like a excuse for the lakers, and I will not let them off the hook that easy by saying they are too old, now you get it? Of course the lakers are old, but too old to compete no I doubt it, and yes you know we both agree on the experience thing, we both lectured hi on that very thing, I know the whole changing of the guard thing is a sensitive thing with you, you get riled up about it cause youw ant to see new teams take over, its not gonna happen, one or two teams may come out like the thunder but ultimately the big markets always come back but thats my opinion and I think history proves it, especially in the NBA, but I am not against it either, thats just how it is.
Dwhite12 LA Slowtim

Ocoee, FL

#59642 Jan 12, 2013
Showtime wrote:
<quoted text> LOL Sammy chill , I wasn't going anywhere with this, I frankly dont care if you think my team is too old, your basically implying it by saying changing of the guard so to me thats the same thing only different words, I really dont care its fine, but I dont know why you have to deny anything in the first place, if you think they are too old just say it...I disagree I think that's a cop out for the lakers, you see to me that is like a excuse for the lakers, and I will not let them off the hook that easy by saying they are too old, now you get it? Of course the lakers are old, but too old to compete no I doubt it, and yes you know we both agree on the experience thing, we both lectured hi on that very thing, I know the whole changing of the guard thing is a sensitive thing with you, you get riled up about it cause youw ant to see new teams take over, its not gonna happen, one or two teams may come out like the thunder but ultimately the big markets always come back but thats my opinion and I think history proves it, especially in the NBA, but I am not against it either, thats just how it is.
+1

age is not a factor imo, kobe's leading the league in scoring, nash is 38 and still balling. mwp is doin great. pau isnt, dwhight is 25 and he's doin 18 and 10. jamison is 34 and yeah we have several players in their mid 30's but last year jamison led the cavs in scoring with 20 ppg, he wont get that opportunity here, but our losing has nothing to do with age. quickness? sure.

the solution to everything, is play some freaking trasnitional defense!

just like i said we'd do with mike d is score more poitns..and just like you said, we'd play no defense. < the problem

age is not why we "suck" its no defense, which i thought we'd do ok with, having mwp, kobe and dwight. its not about keeping guys in front of them. it's just playing some freaking defense.

guys dont know how to rotate, their getting mixed up on where they should be, this has nothing to do with age (maybe a small part but thats not THE reason)

i think this is what your tryin to say show?
thoughts?
Dwhite12 LASlowtime

Ocoee, FL

#59643 Jan 12, 2013
and we do need to get younger, but if we play no defense, or cant stop tranitional defense it wont help.

its not like "oh im 25 i can play defense, oh i'm 32, i dont now how to play defense now"

yes we are slower (and yes that has to do a bit with age), but we should be better regardless as we have the talent.

nash<avging 10 apg, kobe 30 ppg, mwp justkilling t everwhere, dwight 18-10..pau 12 and 9..these are good #'s not hat w'd want frm pau but still as a team its good. yeah the bnch is weak. but its all about gtting back on defense

not age, not players, not leadership, just getting back on defense and making stops
Showtime

San Gabriel, CA

#59644 Jan 12, 2013
Dwhite12 LA Slowtim wrote:
<quoted text>
+1
age is not a factor imo, kobe's leading the league in scoring, nash is 38 and still balling. mwp is doin great. pau isnt, dwhight is 25 and he's doin 18 and 10. jamison is 34 and yeah we have several players in their mid 30's but last year jamison led the cavs in scoring with 20 ppg, he wont get that opportunity here, but our losing has nothing to do with age. quickness? sure.
the solution to everything, is play some freaking trasnitional defense!
just like i said we'd do with mike d is score more poitns..and just like you said, we'd play no defense. < the problem
age is not why we "suck" its no defense, which i thought we'd do ok with, having mwp, kobe and dwight. its not about keeping guys in front of them. it's just playing some freaking defense.
guys dont know how to rotate, their getting mixed up on where they should be, this has nothing to do with age (maybe a small part but thats not THE reason)
i think this is what your tryin to say show?
thoughts?
Absolutely that is it, we are not too old to compete, I am not saying we were suppose to be a great team, but I think we could have been a great playoff team, the thunder are a great team, and I think you do need some youth and experience to be a great overall team...If you ever saw the very last movie of rocky, which is the 6th one I believe, obviously rocky is already old as hell, and his trainer tells him if your gonna fight your gonna have to adjust, you no longer have quickness, you no longer can take hits like you use to, and so rocky had to build more muscle to compete, well the lakers too have to adjust, but talent they have, and I think that is the first thing you need...As upset as I been all season long, I am coming to terms with reality, too many problems plagued this season, first we got coaching problems early on, injuries did not allow for this new team to gel, and well thats just it these guys haven't played together long, reality is biting right now, and sadly we may have to wait till next season if things dont change.
Showtime

San Gabriel, CA

#59645 Jan 12, 2013
Dwhite12 LASlowtime wrote:
and we do need to get younger, but if we play no defense, or cant stop tranitional defense it wont help.
its not like "oh im 25 i can play defense, oh i'm 32, i dont now how to play defense now"
yes we are slower (and yes that has to do a bit with age), but we should be better regardless as we have the talent.
nash<avging 10 apg, kobe 30 ppg, mwp justkilling t everwhere, dwight 18-10..pau 12 and 9..these are good #'s not hat w'd want frm pau but still as a team its good. yeah the bnch is weak. but its all about gtting back on defense
not age, not players, not leadership, just getting back on defense and making stops
I heard jimmy busses interview, he said all the right things, he said he wasn't interested in trading anyone, he doesn't blame the players, he says injuries injuries injuries are the problems...Obviously I dont buy everything he said, I still think they are shopping gasol as well they should, but some fans are so stupid they would rather let him go or give him away, others are saying kobe is the problem, or dwight is the problem, the thing is none of these guys are the problem, its just their defense, the reason I say trade gasol, is cause he has value and he isn't doing much to help this team, he doesn't fit in on defense or offense, of course only deal him if the right trade comes along.
Sammy

Brampton, Canada

#59646 Jan 12, 2013
Showtime wrote:
<quoted text> LOL Sammy chill , I wasn't going anywhere with this, I frankly dont care if you think my team is too old, your basically implying it by saying changing of the guard so to me thats the same thing only different words, I really dont care its fine, but I dont know why you have to deny anything in the first place, if you think they are too old just say it...I disagree I think that's a cop out for the lakers, you see to me that is like a excuse for the lakers, and I will not let them off the hook that easy by saying they are too old, now you get it? Of course the lakers are old, but too old to compete no I doubt it, and yes you know we both agree on the experience thing, we both lectured hi on that very thing, I know the whole changing of the guard thing is a sensitive thing with you, you get riled up about it cause youw ant to see new teams take over, its not gonna happen, one or two teams may come out like the thunder but ultimately the big markets always come back but thats my opinion and I think history proves it, especially in the NBA, but I am not against it either, thats just how it is.
Yea I understand like Dallas and Miami messing up the pattern. Correct? Is that not change? Come on Dallas never won a thing. Strike one there. Do you even understand what I mean by changing ? Has nothing to do with big small or medium markets. Um how do you conceive its not going to happen? I hope you stand corrected if ... Lakers, Boston,Detroit, I will throw in Miami now for you or San antonio( chee they big market?) Don't win the finals this year. If a brand new team is crowned and actually raised through the ranks, then what? Please don't say oh OKC had winning ways and snuck one in if they happen to take it. Ok Show you know what I think yea the media got the best of you. I will hold you to your theory. Dude even my climate is changing a balmy 65 in Jan. My friend ,change is possible. Look at your prez, my grandmother if alive today would never believe. Sorry show I disagree again on you big market theory. We did it in baseball back to back and heading that way again this year hopefully. Anything can happen.

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