James shrugs off flopping accusations

May 12, 2013 Full story: Boston Herald 64

Miami's superstar shot down the accusations from the Chicago Bulls, saying they reminded him of the days when some claimed he was overrated and questioned his ability to lead a team to a championship.

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billybob

Spanaway, WA

#1 May 13, 2013
Miami players all take acting lessons first in their training. Best floppers ever!

“Timshel”

Since: Jan 12

Tulsa, OK

#2 May 13, 2013
billybob wrote:
Miami players all take acting lessons first in their training. Best floppers ever!
I don't think LBJ did a Divac flop but I do believe he didn't do Nazr any favors and went down rather easily. LBJ is a brick sh*t house with superb balance and reflexes and if he was really caught off guard as people try and say he was, 99/100 times you try and get your balance instinctively and not look back and make sure you have a soft landing instead.

LBJ knew exactly what he was doing but it was Nazr's fault for losing control in the first place.
Ginobili

San Francisco, CA

#3 May 14, 2013
I watch the film over and over again ,so did the refs and many fans, it was definitely not a flop.
He was caught off-guard while he was talking and was defenseless. Nazr threw a cheap shot and deserved to be thrown out. Nazr instigated the whole mess by mugging James. All season long teams had been sending wave after waves of players to mug James, the refs need to stop that. MJ used to have the "Jordan Rules" to stop that ,now LBJ need to have some rules to stop the mugging. LBJ is just amazing with those type of mugging every night, he is still putting up great games every night.

“Timshel”

Since: Jan 12

Tulsa, OK

#4 May 14, 2013
Ginobili wrote:
I watch the film over and over again ,so did the refs and many fans, it was definitely not a flop.
He was caught off-guard while he was talking and was defenseless. Nazr threw a cheap shot and deserved to be thrown out. Nazr instigated the whole mess by mugging James. All season long teams had been sending wave after waves of players to mug James, the refs need to stop that. MJ used to have the "Jordan Rules" to stop that ,now LBJ need to have some rules to stop the mugging. LBJ is just amazing with those type of mugging every night, he is still putting up great games every night.
The Jordan rules were implemented to try and stop Jordan, not help Jordan. The Bulls ironically are using a Piston tactic to try and stop LBJ and are having almost as much success as the Pistons had in trying to stop Jordan which wasn't much. Thing is, Jordan's Bulls didn't have 2 other superstars and some of the best snipers in the league to have to shut down too. If one could stop Jordan (as if) you had a very good shot at beating them.

You can basically take any one man off the Heat's starting 5 and they'll still beat you and still be favored to win it all. Their team is stacked.
Ginobili

San Francisco, CA

#5 May 15, 2013
The Bulls were much more stacked than the Heat, I was too young to watch them but being a serious student of the game, I know a little of NBA history, the Bulls had Scottie Pippen, Steve Kerr, B.J. Armstrong,Horace Grant, Bill Cartwright, Ron Harper, John Paxson, Dennis Rodman, Charles Oakley et al who made all-star teams or multiple all-star teams. The big three of the Bulls only LBJ had been relatively healthy for all three seasons, Wade and Bosh had been hampered with illnesses and injuries thru the three yrs. The "Jordan Rules" help MJ a lot , he got away with almost anything, Stern started that after MJ's third year in the NBA his stats just took off. When he returned for his last two yrs the "Jordan Rules" did not applied and he was still good but not great nor difinitely not elite. LBJ played with mediocre Cavs Teams for 7 yrs, they made the playoffs six yrs and one finals ---those numbers are mind boggling and incredible. James is no flop, he came to play, that was a cheap shot by Nazr when James looking the other way. I watch it again this morning.

“Timshel”

Since: Jan 12

Tulsa, OK

#6 May 15, 2013
Ginobili wrote:
The Bulls were much more stacked than the Heat, I was too young to watch them but being a serious student of the game, I know a little of NBA history, the Bulls had Scottie Pippen, Steve Kerr, B.J. Armstrong,Horace Grant, Bill Cartwright, Ron Harper, John Paxson, Dennis Rodman, Charles Oakley et al who made all-star teams or multiple all-star teams. The big three of the Bulls only LBJ had been relatively healthy for all three seasons, Wade and Bosh had been hampered with illnesses and injuries thru the three yrs. The "Jordan Rules" help MJ a lot , he got away with almost anything, Stern started that after MJ's third year in the NBA his stats just took off. When he returned for his last two yrs the "Jordan Rules" did not applied and he was still good but not great nor difinitely not elite. LBJ played with mediocre Cavs Teams for 7 yrs, they made the playoffs six yrs and one finals ---those numbers are mind boggling and incredible. James is no flop, he came to play, that was a cheap shot by Nazr when James looking the other way. I watch it again this morning.
The Bulls didn't have all those players you mentioned playing at the same time. Oakley had a very brief stint with the Bulls (one season I believe) and then left, Bill Cartwright was old and slow and played limited minutes until Longley took his place, Hot Rod Harper was past his prime when he landed with the Bulls although he remained useful and Ho Grant was no star, he was a good solid rebounder and defender but the point is the Bulls had 1 superstar in Jordan, Pippen was a star, Rodman was an elite defender and rebounder and the rest were role players and some emerged with Phil Jackson's and Jordan's tutelage as very good players like Steve Kerr for example.

For the most part the Bulls molded their own talent from Jordan to Pippen to Paxon to Kerr; it wasn't a unification of 3 superstars 2 through free agency and then for everyone else for them to come to Miami and take less money in exchange for a ring. The Heat are arguably the most stacked team in NBA history.

BTW, do some research Ginoflake- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Rules
Ginobili

San Francisco, CA

#7 May 16, 2013
So far the only star that I see in the Heat is LBJ.
Bosh and Wade are just good players , just look at their stats for the last three yrs and how many games that Wade and Bosh missed in the regular season and the playoffs. A number of old time experts already came out and said in the history of the game, LBJ is at a level of his own.

“Timshel”

Since: Jan 12

Tulsa, OK

#8 May 16, 2013
Ginobili wrote:
So far the only star that I see in the Heat is LBJ.
Bosh and Wade are just good players , just look at their stats for the last three yrs and how many games that Wade and Bosh missed in the regular season and the playoffs. A number of old time experts already came out and said in the history of the game, LBJ is at a level of his own.
Do you not understand the benefits of having DWade and Bosh (2 superstars) and some of the best snipers in the game on your team? LBJ gets to do basically whatever he wants because every other player on the Heat can and will make you pay if you try and double team LBJ so LBJ enjoys single coverage plus no one guy can stop him anyway.

Take DWade and Bosh away from the Heat and you basically have a glorified Cavs team when LBJ was there. How'd that work out for LBJ? LBJ isn't what he is today without DWade on the court demanding attention and Bosh pulling opposing big men out of the lane for LBJ to do his work. That's how and why the Heat win and will win it again this year.

You getting schooled daily here on topix, I'd think you'd actually use some of that knowledge to better your arguments but I see it's same ol Ginoflake doing his some ol stuff.
Ginobili

San Francisco, CA

#9 May 16, 2013
They had not been super stars the last three yrs, look at al their injuries and missed games and stats. Wade and Bosh were superstars when Bosh was at Toronto and Wade at Miami. Just a few days ago Wade score six pts and did almost nothing else.
Wade at one time was a shoo in for the HOF but not the last three yrs the way he has played nor Bosh.

“Timshel”

Since: Jan 12

Tulsa, OK

#10 May 17, 2013
Ginobili wrote:
They had not been super stars the last three yrs, look at al their injuries and missed games and stats. Wade and Bosh were superstars when Bosh was at Toronto and Wade at Miami. Just a few days ago Wade score six pts and did almost nothing else.
Wade at one time was a shoo in for the HOF but not the last three yrs the way he has played nor Bosh.
You're right, as soon as LBJ and Bosh landed in Miami, Bosh and Wade lost all credibility, skills and superstar power and LBJ has carried them all this way winning them a title...why is Pat Riley even keeping DWade and Bosh on the payroll? Maybe you should question his business ethics now too Ginoflake.

I have to remember this is coming from a person who thinks the Jordan Rules were made to help Jordan. <SMH>
bandwagoners.

Humboldt, TN

#11 May 17, 2013
No no no. The clippers are the worst floppers in the nba.
Justin

Mound, MN

#12 May 19, 2013
I will add and say that by Pippen elite defensive skills he would of easily qualify as a "Super Star" on own team built around him.Rodman could score in college but focused more defensive in the NBA.Rodman in my opinion is more valuable than Bosh.Jordan had 3 guys who could lock you down.Jordan also had the best snipers on his team in his ERA.Kerr,Armstrong,and Toni Kukoc who is in production as good as Bosh has been to MIA.Bosh was never a superstar because he never played defense.Wade was indeed a superstar but he always had durability issues.MJ had guys like Pippen and Rodman who always stayed healthy plus competed at a high level defensively.Don't forget PHIL JACKSON!!!!!!!!!! Lebron has never had a top 5 anything far as coaching which shows how much of a better leader he is than Kobe and Jordan.Lebron had shooters and CLE yes but the only reason they lost was not because of the team it was their coach Mike Brown.
Justin

Mound, MN

#13 May 19, 2013
Its amazing how Laker fans lack the detail to explain Lebron failed Cavs team.They easily want you to understand the Lakers situation with Mike Brown and Mike D but ignored the coaches Lebron had.At least Kobe graced the surface with the greatest coach in history of team sports.Damn how can you ignore that?Lebron Cavs failed specifically because Mike Brown refused to make any adjustments in any series which many times left him playing isolations vs 5 guys.Lebron this year can win easily without Wade and has done that all year.Lebron didn't have any shooters like Miller,Battier,Allen,Chalmers and etc.
Justin

Mound, MN

#14 May 19, 2013
Lebron as a Cavalier had average shooters like Parker,West,Jamison,Moon and Gibson.These guys are not elite in anything and Jusayin to make that comparison of comparing the Heat shooters to CLE shows your lack of critical thinking.I honestly believe and has shown all year Miami is better spreading the floor with Lebron with Wade on the bench and with Bosh at the center.They just have so much better rythm that way.To bad you can't make that argument with KB24 because he needs every night and every game for his 2nd best guy to out play him for a championship.Thats why they are tanking because Gasol was the guy who balanced off Kobe's deficiencies.
Ginobili

San Francisco, CA

#15 May 19, 2013
Justin you make so much more sense and know so much more than "Jusayin", it put him to shame. LBJ once again got little help from Bosh and Wade and still made the playoffs and the NBA finals. Wade and Bosh missed a lot of games or were injured during the season.

“Timshel”

Since: Jan 12

Tulsa, OK

#16 May 21, 2013
Ginobili wrote:
Justin you make so much more sense and know so much more than "Jusayin", it put him to shame. LBJ once again got little help from Bosh and Wade and still made the playoffs and the NBA finals. Wade and Bosh missed a lot of games or were injured during the season.
Again, this coming from a self proclaimed former NBA player and college coach that thought the Jordan Rules were created by David Stern to help Jordan while in real life they were implemented to STOP Jordan and were created by Chuck Daily the coach of the Pistons.

“Timshel”

Since: Jan 12

Tulsa, OK

#17 May 21, 2013
Justin wrote:
I will add and say that by Pippen elite defensive skills he would of easily qualify as a "Super Star" on own team built around him.Rodman could score in college but focused more defensive in the NBA.Rodman in my opinion is more valuable than Bosh.Jordan had 3 guys who could lock you down.Jordan also had the best snipers on his team in his ERA.Kerr,Armstrong,and Toni Kukoc who is in production as good as Bosh has been to MIA.Bosh was never a superstar because he never played defense.Wade was indeed a superstar but he always had durability issues.MJ had guys like Pippen and Rodman who always stayed healthy plus competed at a high level defensively.Don't forget PHIL JACKSON!!!!!!!!!! Lebron has never had a top 5 anything far as coaching which shows how much of a better leader he is than Kobe and Jordan.Lebron had shooters and CLE yes but the only reason they lost was not because of the team it was their coach Mike Brown.
The Bulls in the Jordan era, never went out and bought the NBA's best player and another superstar to play with yet another superstar and then fill the team up with established and consistent role players. I believe you even said on another thread Justin that in your opinion Ray Allen was a superstar too so that's 3 superstars the Heat went and got to team up with DWade.

The Bulls and Jordan helped create and mold their young talent. Who was Paxson, Kerr, Armstrong and Buechler before teaming up with Jordan and the Bulls? Rodman was on his way out and had been playing poorly and was letting his off court life affect his ball before Jordan asked for him and set Rodman straight and got him focused again.

Phil Jackson starting out with the Bulls isn't the Phil Jackson he is now. He wasn't initially the Zen master and he wasn't as highly revered as he is today. He was a good manager starting out who made a great decision on letting Tex Winter run his own triangle offense to nullify what the Pistons were doing to them and had done to them for several years. Phil Jackson ultimately became the NBA's best ego managing coach in history but would Phil be the Phil of today without Jordan? Would he ever have been hired to coach the Lakers without being with Jordan and the Bulls first? Unlikely.

Point is, the Bulls' core was built from the ground up with key signings here and there whereas the Heat's aren't. It's unfair for you to say Jordan had all this and that at his disposal and LBJ didn't with the Cavs but Jordan started out with a Cav like team and stuck with his Bulls and willed decent players into being great players especially in key championship moments. LBJ could distribute the ball and make players better on the court maybe but he didn't will them on and off the court as Jordan could will his teammates.

LBJ sold out and teamed up with 2-3 other superstars because he couldn't do what Jordan did and couldn't be what Jordan is. Period.

“Timshel”

Since: Jan 12

Tulsa, OK

#18 May 21, 2013
And BTW, Mike Brown did an incredible job with the Cavs. Took them to the Finals, back to back 60+ wins seasons while doing a lot with what little he had.

If Mike Brown was a white head coach, would he have been treated with more respect? Earned respect?

There are many similarities with Jordan's early years and LBJ's early years, it's just that LBJ isn't the leader Jordan is and can't will others like Jordan can.
Ginobili

San Francisco, CA

#19 May 21, 2013
A number of players and team mates hated MJ's gut.
LBJ is a much better leader than MJ.
Justin

Mound, MN

#20 May 23, 2013
_Jusayin_ wrote:
And BTW, Mike Brown did an incredible job with the Cavs. Took them to the Finals, back to back 60+ wins seasons while doing a lot with what little he had.
If Mike Brown was a white head coach, would he have been treated with more respect? Earned respect?
There are many similarities with Jordan's early years and LBJ's early years, it's just that LBJ isn't the leader Jordan is and can't will others like Jordan can.
See this is why I think your over generalising the issue.How are you measuring leadership?By individual skills?or unselfishness on the floor?Mike Brown did an incredible job by riding Lebron's talent and relying too much on Lebron to carry the entire team.Great coaches find ways to put role guys in position to succeed.Lebron got zero effort and play by Moe.The anchor offense is defined by a single player named Lebron.

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