Why Kobe/Jordan Debate Is Closer Than It Seems

[Sammy]

LEGALISE STEROIDS wrote:

"Ginoboli" is a fat stupid troll. The last 4 comments were his - promoting Lebron AGAIN. It's probably Lebron himself. Does that drug cheat live in San Francisco?

let me correct you . A fat half white/half chinese troll.

[Sammy]

_Jusayin_ wrote:

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Yea, "Angelinoflake" are annoying and obviously all one person but the problem is Ginobili thinks they're all individuals. He's just one big, living compound lie and should never be taken seriously.
In fact Sammy said it best, just sit back and enjoy the show when it comes to Angelinoflake.

Thats right. You don't have to respond to Ginoflake.just read the clowns comments.

[Ginobili]

Kobe is way better than MJ, look at Mj's stats with the Wizards after the refs did not applied the "Jordan Rules". His PER was just above 20.
Being a coach and an ex Pro player when the refs played favorites with you it helps to pat your stats a lot. Kobe was never accorded carte blanche by the refs, heck they almost killed Kobe numerous times and were never called for fouls. The refs will not allowed anyone around MJ within five feet.

[Sammy]

Ginobili wrote:

Kobe is way better than MJ, look at Mj's stats with the Wizards after the refs did not applied the "Jordan Rules". His PER was just above 20.
Being a coach and an ex Pro player when the refs played favorites with you it helps to pat your stats a lot. Kobe was never accorded carte blanche by the refs, heck they almost killed Kobe numerous times and were never called for fouls. The refs will not allowed anyone around MJ within five feet.

zzzzzzzzzzz.did you say something? Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Ginobili]

MJ was blank w/o the help of the refs. KoMe is way better than him.

[LEGALISE STEROIDS]

Ginobili wrote:

Kobe is way better than MJ, look at Mj's stats with the Wizards after the refs did not applied the "Jordan Rules". His PER was just above 20.
Being a coach and an ex Pro player when the refs played favorites with you it helps to pat your stats a lot. Kobe was never accorded carte blanche by the refs, heck they almost killed Kobe numerous times and were never called for fouls. The refs will not allowed anyone around MJ within five feet.

You seem to forget how OLD Jordan was. The refs had nothing to do with anything you idiot.

MJ vs Kobe:

MJ-
"Age 39
Jordan came out of retirement again and amazingly led Washington in scoring at age 39. The year before, the Wizards were 19-63, and in 2001-02 they finished 37-45, an 18-game improvement. Jordan was the only new guy on the team.

Regular season: 22.9 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 5.2 apg, and 1.4 spg.

Age 40
He became the oldest player ever to score 40 points in a game and average over 20 points per game—an amazing feat for a guy who was the only player on the Wizards that year to play in all 82 games, and he was 40! They went 37-45 again, but the next year with Jordan gone they were back at 25-57. Wow, even at 40, MJ was a bad man, schooling little kids half his age.

Regular season: 20.0 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 3.8 apg, and 1.5 spg.

Summary
From age 32 to 40 Jordan played in 473 games. He scored 12,888 pts for an average of 27.2 points per game and won three NBA titles with three Finals MVPs, two regular season MVPs, and three scoring titles in only five full seasons. At an old age, Jordan shot 46.3% from the field.

This year, at age 31, Kobe averaged 27 pts (less than Jordan from age 32-40) and has shot for his career 45.5% from the field (less than Jordan from age 32-40)

Even if Jordan had ONLY played from age 32-40, he'd be the greatest single individual talent of all time."

MJ > Kobe

Once again, I have proved you wrong.
You are wrong about EVERYTHING. If you're not a troll, then you are AMAZINGLY STUPID and should probably kill yourself.

[LEGALISE STEROIDS]

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Game, set, match.
Jordan FTW

[Sammy]

LEGALISE STEROIDS wrote:

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You seem to forget how OLD Jordan was. The refs had nothing to do with anything you idiot.
MJ vs Kobe:
MJ-
"Age 39
Jordan came out of retirement again and amazingly led Washington in scoring at age 39. The year before, the Wizards were 19-63, and in 2001-02 they finished 37-45, an 18-game improvement. Jordan was the only new guy on the team.
Regular season: 22.9 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 5.2 apg, and 1.4 spg.
Age 40
He became the oldest player ever to score 40 points in a game and average over 20 points per game—an amazing feat for a guy who was the only player on the Wizards that year to play in all 82 games, and he was 40! They went 37-45 again, but the next year with Jordan gone they were back at 25-57. Wow, even at 40, MJ was a bad man, schooling little kids half his age.
Regular season: 20.0 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 3.8 apg, and 1.5 spg.
Summary
From age 32 to 40 Jordan played in 473 games. He scored 12,888 pts for an average of 27.2 points per game and won three NBA titles with three Finals MVPs, two regular season MVPs, and three scoring titles in only five full seasons. At an old age, Jordan shot 46.3% from the field.
This year, at age 31, Kobe averaged 27 pts (less than Jordan from age 32-40) and has shot for his career 45.5% from the field (less than Jordan from age 32-40)
Even if Jordan had ONLY played from age 32-40, he'd be the greatest single individual talent of all time."
MJ > Kobe
Once again, I have proved you wrong.
You are wrong about EVERYTHING. If you're not a troll, then you are AMAZINGLY STUPID and should probably kill yourself.

Yo!! we been through this till the cows come home. Word of advice. Let Gino flake spew nonsense. You are bound to get a pile of laughs. Kobe isn't even close to 40 why compare?

[LEGALISE STEROIDS]

_Jusayin_ wrote:

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I disagree when talking about rings. It's the ultimate accomplishment and it showed in Jordan's and Kobe's case and all other players that LEAD their teams to championships that they are/were the best and the ring symbolizes that. Yes, team play was necessary but winning a ring is defining especially for the "best" players. The Jazz with Stockton and Malone were great but, they were not the best because Jordan, Pippen and the Bulls were the best because they beat them and won the championship.
I'll ask you this, who was the best player in your opinion who never won an NBA championship? Upon your answer then we can compare them to the best who actually won and you'll then see the difference.
Point is, if you're the best in the NBA, you're going to win a championship and if you don't you simply weren't "the best" because 1 player alone can take over in the NBA and it's not necessarily the case in any other team sports. The only position that can possibly dictate or take over a game is a pitcher in baseball. Other than that, not really.

(I can't believe I'm wasting my time at 4am replying to you idiots instead of sleeping)

Did Jordan win those championships on his own? No.
Did Pippen win any championships without Jordan? No.

Did Karl Malone (2x MVP) win any rings? No.
Did John Stockton win any rings? No.
Did Dominique Wilkins win any rings? No.
Did Charles Barkley (MVP) win any rings? No.
Did Reggie Miller win any rings? No.
Did Allen Iverson (MVP) win any rings? No.

Those are some of the best basketball players to ever play the game who never won a championship.

Look at Lebron. What championships did he win without Wade, Battier, Bosh... in Cleveland?

Moral of my story is: BBall is a TEAM GAME and how many championships a player won has NOTHING to do with how good of a player he is. If your team is crap, you won't win a championship no matter how good you are.

I am right.
You are wrong.
HTFH.

[Richies Cool Man Diary]

any talk about the greatest is bunk without a shout out to the greatest basketballer ever, Magic Johnson!!!!!

[Ginobili]

Kobe is 34 now and MJ was 37,and 38 yrs old his last two years. His PER was just above 20 and Kobe this year 26 w/o the hlep from refs.

[_Jusayin_]

LEGALISE STEROIDS wrote:

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(I can't believe I'm wasting my time at 4am replying to you idiots instead of sleeping)
Did Jordan win those championships on his own? No.
Did Pippen win any championships without Jordan? No.
Did Karl Malone (2x MVP) win any rings? No.
Did John Stockton win any rings? No.
Did Dominique Wilkins win any rings? No.
Did Charles Barkley (MVP) win any rings? No.
Did Reggie Miller win any rings? No.
Did Allen Iverson (MVP) win any rings? No.
Those are some of the best basketball players to ever play the game who never won a championship.
Look at Lebron. What championships did he win without Wade, Battier, Bosh... in Cleveland?
Moral of my story is: BBall is a TEAM GAME and how many championships a player won has NOTHING to do with how good of a player he is. If your team is crap, you won't win a championship no matter how good you are.
I am right.
You are wrong.
HTFH.

You're lumping me in with the idiots? Word to the wise which is actually ridiculous to say as the wise DON'T need advise but you seem to, if you want people to treat you with respect and take what you've got to say seriously watch what you type. Cool?

"Did Pippen win any championships without Jordan? No.
Did Karl Malone (2x MVP) win any rings? No.
Did John Stockton win any rings? No.
Did Dominique Wilkins win any rings? No.
Did Charles Barkley (MVP) win any rings? No.
Did Reggie Miller win any rings? No.
Did Allen Iverson (MVP) win any rings? No."

Were any of the ones YOU mentioned THE BEST in the NBA as Jordan and Kobe were? No. That's what I said if you cared to read. I said if you're the best and LEAD your team to a championship the ring discussion is relevant because it's the ultimate accomplishment and it's what separates the great from the best.

The ones you named obviously weren't good enough to LEAD their team to an NBA title now were they? So therefore they can never be mistaken for THE BEST. They're great but not THE BEST.

[_Jusayin_]

Sammy wrote:

<quoted text> Yo!! we been through this till the cows come home. Word of advice. Let Gino flake spew nonsense. You are bound to get a pile of laughs. Kobe isn't even close to 40 why compare?

Let him keep replying to Angelinoflake Sammy. He'll learn...maybe.

[Sammy]

_Jusayin_ wrote:

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Let him keep replying to Angelinoflake Sammy. He'll learn...maybe.

if he hasn't already.

[Ginobili]

More and more ppl are jumping on my bandwagon now that Lebron is the best ever, recently Gorman of the Boston Celtics, he is the play by play announcer. He did not say Lebron was the greatest ever but he says LRJ is the best ever but he says by the time his career is finished then we can make the statement. I don't even need it, LRJ is the best and the greatest ever right now, say you first heard it from me here, the NBA sports authority.

[LEGALISE STEROIDS]

Ginobili wrote:

Kobe is 34 now and MJ was 37,and 38 yrs old his last two years. His PER was just above 20 and Kobe this year 26 w/o the hlep from refs.

Did you not see this, you f*cking troll?

MJ-
"Age 39
Jordan came out of retirement again and amazingly led Washington in scoring at age 39. The year before, the Wizards were 19-63, and in 2001-02 they finished 37-45, an 18-game improvement. Jordan was the only new guy on the team.

Regular season: 22.9 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 5.2 apg, and 1.4 spg.

Age 40
He became the oldest player ever to score 40 points in a game and average over 20 points per game—an amazing feat for a guy who was the only player on the Wizards that year to play in all 82 games, and he was 40! They went 37-45 again, but the next year with Jordan gone they were back at 25-57. Wow, even at 40, MJ was a bad man, schooling little kids half his age.

Regular season: 20.0 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 3.8 apg, and 1.5 spg.

Perhaps you can't read.

[LEGALISE STEROIDS]

_Jusayin_ wrote:

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You're lumping me in with the idiots? Word to the wise which is actually ridiculous to say as the wise DON'T need advise but you seem to, if you want people to treat you with respect and take what you've got to say seriously watch what you type. Cool?

Yes, I'm "lumping" you in with the idiots. You're no better than that Ginobili clown if you think championships make the slightest difference as to how good a player is and all that other CRAP you wrote.
Jordan wouldn't have won any championships without Pippen and the rest of his gang. If you think great players push others to better themselves and whatever other crap.. then why didn't Jordan win any championships with the Wizards you IDIOT?! I'll tell you why.. BECAUSE HIS TEAM-MATES WEREN'T GOOD ENOUGH! He even complained about them saying how sh*t they were! Now what would've happened if he had Kobe, Duncan... on his team (Wizards)? HE WOULD'VE WON MORE CHAMPIONSHIPS!

Those players I listed w/o rings were the best players in the NBA at the time. You're saying they weren't good enough? So the bench warmers with championship rings were better than Iverson, Miller, Malone...? LOL!

I don't care if people here treat me with respect or not. If you disagree with me and don't respect me, then you are an idiot.

Stop wasting my time. At least with that other idiot I can educate people about drugs and drug users.

You are clearly wrong and I am clearly right. End of discussion.

[LEGALISE STEROIDS]

Ginobili wrote:

Kobe is 34 now and MJ was 37,and 38 yrs old his last two years. His PER was just above 20 and Kobe this year 26 w/o the hlep from refs.

Oh yeah.. and MJ was RETIRED at age 37 and 38 you DUMBF*CK!
His last 2 years were at 39 and 40!

Here you go, moron http://bleacherreport.com/articles/404315-jor...

AND
at 35 (1 year older than Kobe):
Michael became a 10-time scoring champion, five-time MVP, and six-time Finals MVP in 1997-98. He was the oldest ever player to do any of that. The Bulls went 62-20 under Phil and beat the Jazz again 4-2. Jordan was 6-0 in the Finals.

Regular season plus playoffs: 103 games, 3,037 points, 29.5 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 3.5 apg, and 1.7 spg.

http://www.youtube.com/watch... 51 points at age 38.

HTFH.

[Ginobili]

MJ was just a little smaller than LRJ do you think that he was on drugs? MJ is now much bigger LRJ,do you think he is on drugs? You are accusing everyone of using drugs?

[Ginobili]

Thank you dem you are correct. Gorman of the Celtics just called Lebron the best he has ever seen but MJ is still the greatest he said. Lebron does have a chance to be the greatest.