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“Suck It Up and Go For It!!”

Since: Sep 07

Stidham, OK

#1 Oct 4, 2007
OK Everyone... Let's see if I can get some help on my homework.....

Writing a paper on NASCAR. Here is what I need to do: Examine the role and responsibilities of leaders in creating and maintaining a healthy organizational culture. Make two recommendations to create and maintain a healthy organizational culture.. NEED TO BE ABLE TO CITE SOURCES OF INFORMATION....

I thought about Women in NASCAR, diversity. Hmm... Come on

Need Ideas!!

Opinions and help Very Welcome!
My Opinion

Charlotte, NC

#2 Oct 4, 2007
Great topics, but are you talking about just in the organizational structure of NASCAR (i.e. those who work in the business) or are you going to include how it affects other factors such as the fans?

I'm thinking about how NASCAR is traditionally a white-based, southern, male dominated fan base who typically don't hold women or minorities in high regard. While Mike Helton and Brian France may be able to change the working culture, will that be accepted by the traditional fan base or does it change the traditional fan base and if so, does it affect the financial viability of the sport?

Personally, I'd love to see more women and minorities in the sport.

Good Luck!

“Bye old girl, you been great. ”

Since: Feb 07

Bradenton, FL

#3 Oct 4, 2007
LdySmk20_OK wrote:
OK Everyone... Let's see if I can get some help on my homework.....
Writing a paper on NASCAR. Here is what I need to do: Examine the role and responsibilities of leaders in creating and maintaining a healthy organizational culture. Make two recommendations to create and maintain a healthy organizational culture.. NEED TO BE ABLE TO CITE SOURCES OF INFORMATION....
I thought about Women in NASCAR, diversity. Hmm... Come on
Need Ideas!!
Opinions and help Very Welcome!
How about keep the rules the same for every race not case by case that would Maintain a Healthy Organizationals Culture something NASCAR lacks.
LdySmk20_OK

Stidham, OK

#4 Oct 4, 2007
My Opinion wrote:
Great topics, but are you talking about just in the organizational structure of NASCAR (i.e. those who work in the business) or are you going to include how it affects other factors such as the fans?
I'm thinking about how NASCAR is traditionally a white-based, southern, male dominated fan base who typically don't hold women or minorities in high regard. While Mike Helton and Brian France may be able to change the working culture, will that be accepted by the traditional fan base or does it change the traditional fan base and if so, does it affect the financial viability of the sport?
Personally, I'd love to see more women and minorities in the sport.
Good Luck!
You're on the right track, I believe. That is what I was trying for with the women in racing.

Now I need the Citable sources. Any ideas.
LdySmk20_OK

Stidham, OK

#5 Oct 4, 2007
Big20Fan wrote:
<quoted text>How about keep the rules the same for every race not case by case that would Maintain a Healthy Organizationals Culture something NASCAR lacks.
Big20... Rules are another idea. Do you know where I can find a copy of the "rules" I know I can find all kind of info on penalties, but what about the RACING RULES like they discussed on Sunday's race.

“Bye old girl, you been great. ”

Since: Feb 07

Bradenton, FL

#6 Oct 4, 2007
LdySmk20_OK wrote:
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Big20... Rules are another idea. Do you know where I can find a copy of the "rules" I know I can find all kind of info on penalties, but what about the RACING RULES like they discussed on Sunday's race.
Thats just it unless you lucky to find a set your not going to get them. teams have them but for say a avg fan to get a copy not going to happen.

“Bye old girl, you been great. ”

Since: Feb 07

Bradenton, FL

#7 Oct 4, 2007
I think if the fans know more about how the rulings worked and not change all the time it acttally get new fans in because they understand it alittle better. Now it just looks like well this happened this week and well it didn't the following when the same thing happened. AKA manfold, and other things NASCAR has not called the same. Its a good idea I just don't think your going to beable to get a rule book. and all the set fines for said rules it always changes for some reason. As for NASCAR is traditionally a white-based, southern, male dominated fan base who typically don't hold women or minorities in high regard. they are trying to fix that but some fans have problems with it. Aka the major Dislike of JMP and other things like Toyota coming in. Either way I am from the South but do not think its a bad thing for a NASCAR to have these said things it only grows the sport. but with fans who come in and see things change from what they saw before its a turn off and therefor the sport suffers because they do not understand how infraction on one car, are ruled fair then to have another a week later called in violation. This is where NASCAR needs to show it has a standard rule set that will be the guide line yet at the same time cand fix but make it know to your fans and new fans that way there is a understanding that this will be the min. but not the maxium. New fans have a hard time grasping when they see one team get off and one team get nailed. Alot of the older fans as well go wtf. For NASCAR to grow and survie they will need to be more consisten here or they will lose out to other sports where the rules are the same for all the games played. yes bad calls can happen in any sport. but that is where nascar can change that they do have all the tech to make a sport where its fair for all 43 teams. Just has to keep rule violations and how to run a race the same. I'll stop now. I just don't see good things coming down if NASCAR does not changes its ways. I have a feeling will see a spit in NASCAR and we all know that kills a series.
LdySmk20_OK

Stidham, OK

#8 Oct 4, 2007
Big20Fan wrote:
I think if the fans know more about how the rulings worked and not change all the time it acttally get new fans in because they understand it alittle better. Now it just looks like well this happened this week and well it didn't the following when the same thing happened. AKA manfold, and other things NASCAR has not called the same. Its a good idea I just don't think your going to beable to get a rule book. and all the set fines for said rules it always changes for some reason. As for NASCAR is traditionally a white-based, southern, male dominated fan base who typically don't hold women or minorities in high regard. they are trying to fix that but some fans have problems with it. Aka the major Dislike of JMP and other things like Toyota coming in. Either way I am from the South but do not think its a bad thing for a NASCAR to have these said things it only grows the sport. but with fans who come in and see things change from what they saw before its a turn off and therefor the sport suffers because they do not understand how infraction on one car, are ruled fair then to have another a week later called in violation. This is where NASCAR needs to show it has a standard rule set that will be the guide line yet at the same time cand fix but make it know to your fans and new fans that way there is a understanding that this will be the min. but not the maxium. New fans have a hard time grasping when they see one team get off and one team get nailed. Alot of the older fans as well go wtf. For NASCAR to grow and survie they will need to be more consisten here or they will lose out to other sports where the rules are the same for all the games played. yes bad calls can happen in any sport. but that is where nascar can change that they do have all the tech to make a sport where its fair for all 43 teams. Just has to keep rule violations and how to run a race the same. I'll stop now. I just don't see good things coming down if NASCAR does not changes its ways. I have a feeling will see a spit in NASCAR and we all know that kills a series.
WOW! I may use some of this in my paper and quote you.... A fan's side of NASCAR....

Since: Sep 07

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#9 Oct 4, 2007
LdySmk20_OK wrote:
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Big20... Rules are another idea. Do you know where I can find a copy of the "rules" I know I can find all kind of info on penalties, but what about the RACING RULES like they discussed on Sunday's race.
Here are the rules as found on Wikipedia, but, hey, at least it's a source! LOL

Look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASCAR_rules_and...
true stewart fan

Memphis, TN

#10 Oct 4, 2007
Go to nascar.com and type diversity in the search field. I see an article there on women drivers. There might be some other articles there you can also use.

“Bye old girl, you been great. ”

Since: Feb 07

Bradenton, FL

#11 Oct 4, 2007
LdySmk20_OK wrote:
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WOW! I may use some of this in my paper and quote you.... A fan's side of NASCAR....
More then welcome to use it. Like I said I think if NASCAR wants new fans, Your going to have to set a understanding of the rule that make sence to everyone. I know you can't do that but have a said guideline that is open to the public like other major sports. All the rules you can get. NASCAR has very technical rules that make the sport hard to follow but if we see a consistency in NASCAR fans well not see favor to another team. Nor will new fans be turned off by just being well it wasn't that way 3 weeks ago now why is it different and the explaination doesn't really explain in good detail as to why.

Ok I'll try to stop again. sorry you opened a can of warms that I have held for awhile. Its does not take that much to figure out why fans are turned off by a sport that shows no consistency in its officated the race. the had glemering moments this year of being consisten but then droped the ball other times. And to new fans that does not make it understandable nore seem fair so they walk away thinking I just don't understand so it a why bother following. Sport as defined in my trusty dictionary is this: An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a "set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively". So when rules change it seems like someone has there hand in there trying to change the outcome. As Tony said on his show about phantom cautions "NASCAR can almost dictated a race by throwing them" yes almost is the key word if the leader has 4 sec lead and a BS yellow comes out it tights the field and now we have that lead gone letting who ever have a shot at getting by. ok I'll really stop but for NASCAR to be seen as a Organized Sport it really needs a clear set of rules and a clear set of penitalies for violations. Also all races in the 36 weeks will be ran the same. No change you set a dead line in rain delays if a hour passes you call it if your past the half way. I just can not understand sometimes how they say we have always done this when weeks before hand it was done some other way. Does not take the brightes bulb in stand to think somehting is up with this. Why the change its un-fair. it needs to go back to let them race, and keep the hands out of it. I've show the standing would not have been much diffrent had they called the Kansas race short do to rain like they would have done had it not been a chase race. the only diffrence in that race should have been "Chase" that is it.
Just the Facts

United States

#12 Oct 4, 2007
You may want to google "Reggie White Diversity Program". This was started with JGR. Good Luck!

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Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#13 Oct 4, 2007
Big 20 I've really been impressed by your posts on this issue this week. You have expressed my frustration in a way I never could, and frustration is the best word I can use to express my feelings about this issue. When you watch a football game you see a set of referees and very defined rules, and a system for reviewing and changing a questionable call. Sure there are still some mistakes made, but you feel like they make every attempt to keep it honest, and you know there is a governing body overseeing the sport that will step in when needed.

In Nascar, you have none of that. You have a small group of people, largely related, who make up their own rules, and who change the rules on the fly when they feel they want the sport to go in a different direction. It comes across, to me at least, as manipulation, and makes me suspicious of their motives (Greed? Selling out to sponsors? Ratings?). Those suspicions may be and hopefully are completely unfounded, but I can only go by what I see. The bottom line is that there is no accountability. They make the rules, and we can watch or turn off the channel. I feel that the Nascar fan base is and will continue losing confidence in their leadership and running of this sport until they show more consistency and establish a system of accountability. If a rule needs to be changed, fine - do it at the beginning of the season, not in the middle of a race.

The sport has just exploded in popularity over the past few years, and they have made some great strides in areas of safety and diversity. But until they address this issue and stop giving the appearance of running the sport like a Mafia family, they will lose what they have worked so hard to build.

Since: Sep 07

Location hidden

#14 Oct 4, 2007
I personally have always thought that Big20Fan has his head on straighter than most of us here. His posts are genuine and knowledgeable.
I appreciate his offerings daily!
Thanks Big20! You've got a few fans out here.

Since: Aug 07

Southeast Wisconsin

#15 Oct 4, 2007
You could approach things for your research in a couple of ways that I thought of.

1. The structure of teams in Nascar and do a comparative study of the success or failure of single or two cars teams as compared to the four car teams. I think history will show that in earlier times, say the 1970's, it made no difference in whether you were some upstart with your own car, or if you drove another person's car, the playing field was pretty even. It was more who was the talented driver and not how much technology you possessed But now, with the advance of technology, with computers, engineers and specialists running the industry, the one car teams cannot be on an equal footing with teams like Hendrick or JGR. Money and technology talks in Nascar and the driver is not nearly as important as the technology you can afford. You can get your backup information by taking a look at any Nascar history book and see who owned/drove what back in the day, and compare their success to one car teams of today.

2. Nascar Marketing. This could be looked at in a number of ways. How do they market in different parts of the country. How they market to women. Do they market differently in the West. And by marketing, I mean both advertising and merchandise sales. You can compare changes in marketing over the years and show how important women have become in Nascar and their wholesale marketing schemes. You can look at what they sell to women, what commercials are aimed directly at the women's market and so on.

Since: Aug 07

Southeast Wisconsin

#16 Oct 4, 2007
You might even look at why Nascar has become so successful. I know that way back, we used to go to at least 6 CART races a year, and not just those in the area where we lived. We went to Indy, the Milwaukee Mile, Michigan, Pocono, Nazareth Pa, and Laguna Seca, every year. We never thought about Nascar. But then, everything changed. Open wheel racing split into two venues because of the fight between Tony George and Roger Penske, and whether anyone wants to believe this or not, the takeover of the sport by foreign drivers began the slow death of open wheel racing. Like it or not, Americans are inherently xenophobic---we cheer for Americans. When we watch the Olympics, we don't cheer for the Chinese or Russians to win the gold, we cheer for Americans. When open wheel racing became predominently foreign-born drivers, the American race fan turned their heads towards the racing venues that were Americans, and that was Nascar. And Nascar smartly took the disenchanted open wheel fans to their heart. Nascar has known how to play to their fans, until recently. I'm afraid that now, Nascar is losing their way. They are trying, unsuccessfully, to market to places that have no inherent interest in Nascar. No matter how hard they try, they aren't going to get the California elite to love Nascar. Nascar is forgetting their roots and what made them successful. They dumped Rockingham, the took away the Southern 500 and lots of other things that made them what they are.
Azalea

Dayton, VA

#17 Oct 4, 2007
Big20Fan wrote:
I just don't see good things coming down if NASCAR does not changes its ways. I have a feeling will see a spit in NASCAR and we all know that kills a series.
I think that people respect your opinions here, because you are very knowledgable and fair. I hate to agree with you, but I think that you are right about a future split. It may not happen for a long time and I hope it doesn't, but I think that at some point it will. Someone will decide and have the money and opportunity to start a new circuit with the teams that got pushed out because of lack of money or one team with lots of money will think that they can do a better job than Nascar. I like Dario Franchitti and I think that at one time, I said that I would like to see him run a road course in Nascar, but not at the expense of pushing out another driver. Maybe Stremme isn't the best driver in the world, but I don't like the overall idea. I had better shut up because I get myself in trouble.
Azalea

Dayton, VA

#18 Oct 4, 2007
EWBS wrote:
You might even look at why Nascar has become so successful. I know that way back, we used to go to at least 6 CART races a year, and not just those in the area where we lived. We went to Indy, the Milwaukee Mile, Michigan, Pocono, Nazareth Pa, and Laguna Seca, every year. We never thought about Nascar. But then, everything changed. Open wheel racing split into two venues because of the fight between Tony George and Roger Penske, and whether anyone wants to believe this or not, the takeover of the sport by foreign drivers began the slow death of open wheel racing. Like it or not, Americans are inherently xenophobic---we cheer for Americans. When we watch the Olympics, we don't cheer for the Chinese or Russians to win the gold, we cheer for Americans. When open wheel racing became predominently foreign-born drivers, the American race fan turned their heads towards the racing venues that were Americans, and that was Nascar. And Nascar smartly took the disenchanted open wheel fans to their heart. Nascar has known how to play to their fans, until recently. I'm afraid that now, Nascar is losing their way. They are trying, unsuccessfully, to market to places that have no inherent interest in Nascar. No matter how hard they try, they aren't going to get the California elite to love Nascar. Nascar is forgetting their roots and what made them successful. They dumped Rockingham, the took away the Southern 500 and lots of other things that made them what they are.
I think that you and Big20Fan have said a lot of things that people would agree with. Nascar has forgotten its roots in an effort that is based on pure greed. It might come back to bite them--I wouldn't be at their pity-party. They need to read their own rule book and I would like to see it online (like that would ever happen).
andy 24

Sioux City, IA

#19 Oct 4, 2007
even i have to agree most of the time with big 20'he does know his stuff..
My Opinion

Charlotte, NC

#20 Oct 4, 2007
EWBS wrote:
. the takeover of the sport by foreign drivers began the slow death of open wheel racing. Like it or not, Americans are inherently xenophobic---we cheer for Americans. When we watch the Olympics, we don't cheer for the Chinese or Russians to win the gold, we cheer for Americans. When open wheel racing became predominently foreign-born drivers, the American race fan turned their heads towards the racing venues that were Americans, and that was Nascar. And Nascar smartly took the disenchanted open wheel fans to their heart. Nascar has known how to play to their fans, until recently. I'm afraid that now, Nascar is losing their way. They are trying, unsuccessfully, to market to places that have no inherent interest in Nascar.
No offense, but I do not understand your comparison of NASCAR to the Olympics. NASCAR is a sport comprised of teams which are comprised of individual drivers. We root for our favorite teams and drivers. The fact that NASCAR originated in the US should not mean that it is exclusive to US citizens only.

Of course in the olympics Americans root for Americans because they represent the US. Just because I root for Montoya in NASCAR doesn't mean I root for Columbia and not America. I'm just rooting for a driver and could care less where they were born. Same with basketball and baseball. I'm a huge fan of Tony Parker and he's not American and I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

I appreciate diversity in sports. I personally hate the NASCAR southern image. Back in the day it WAS nothing but white, racist males who smoked and chewed tobacco and were for the most part uneducated. That is nothing to be proud of, but I respect that it is part of NASCAR's roots. There's nothing wrong with bettering something.

I agree that NASCAR markets to the wrong area's, but that doesn't mean that it should be a southern sport only. I think that there should be tracks in the west, but maybe they should have built smaller tracks. I do think NASCAR thought the western fan base was bigger than it really is. But for the fans that do live there - they shouldn't have to fly or drive halfway across the country to enjoy a race.

Just my thoughts though.

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