What's Wrong with the Points System?

What's Wrong with the Points System?

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CatRod53

Gary, IN

#1 Nov 12, 2011
http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/points-...

Excellent article! Considering:

= Nascar had 2 drivers make the Chase that hadn't won a race all season
= a driver can win 4 of the 8 races into the Chase and still not be leading the points
= and the points leader hasn't won a race in the Chase

looks like the points system could still use some tweaking. Every other sport I can think of calls the team with the most wins Champion.

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#2 Nov 13, 2011
CatRod53 wrote:
http://msn.foxsports.com/nasca r/story/points-system-better-b ut-wins-still-undervalued-1108 11
Excellent article! Considering:
= Nascar had 2 drivers make the Chase that hadn't won a race all season
= a driver can win 4 of the 8 races into the Chase and still not be leading the points
= and the points leader hasn't won a race in the Chase
looks like the points system could still use some tweaking. Every other sport I can think of calls the team with the most wins Champion.
I understand what you're saying....but...if we go by you're saying, then Tony shouldn't be in the chase at all, along with Jr.

So I don't understand why you would bring it up. Are you pissed that Tony made the chase and not a driver like Menard?

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lee

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#3 Nov 13, 2011
CatRod53 wrote:
http://msn.foxsports.com/nasca r/story/points-system-better-b ut-wins-still-undervalued-1108 11
Excellent article! Considering:
= Nascar had 2 drivers make the Chase that hadn't won a race all season
= a driver can win 4 of the 8 races into the Chase and still not be leading the points
= and the points leader hasn't won a race in the Chase
looks like the points system could still use some tweaking. Every other sport I can think of calls the team with the most wins Champion.
Totally agree.
debrobeaudean

Oviedo, FL

#4 Nov 13, 2011
I think that during the Chaee,, chase drivers that WIN should be given extra points because they are RACING,, not preserving..

“smokes~ mojo”

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#5 Nov 13, 2011
think wins should carry more points , say 50 or 100.
14fan

Elkview, WV

#6 Nov 13, 2011
ruttrosmokesmojo wrote:
think wins should carry more points , say 50 or 100.
I agree! There is no reason that a win doesn't count more. I'd rather it be the person with the most wins than someone that is happy riding around collecting points.
Carolyn

Erie, PA

#7 Nov 13, 2011
14fan wrote:
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I agree! There is no reason that a win doesn't count more. I'd rather it be the person with the most wins than someone that is happy riding around collecting points.
Isn't that what JJ used to do and then would step it up during the Chase so he could win the Championship?

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#8 Nov 13, 2011
ruttrosmokesmojo wrote:
think wins should carry more points , say 50 or 100.
A 50 point bonus for winning is more than a whole race worth of points. I don't think the points system is bad. Tony's had 2 races of 15th or worse and that balances out his wins. The only thing that I might tweek is giving 5 bonus points for winning instead of 3.

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#9 Nov 13, 2011
if a driver wins 5 races but finishes 35 or worse in all the other races will he make the chase mathematically?

“smokes~ mojo”

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kepin' the ears on the big dog

#10 Nov 13, 2011
Maybe if wins in the chase meant more points that might help
CatRod53

Gary, IN

#11 Nov 13, 2011
littlebit wrote:
<quoted text>I understand what you're saying....but...if we go by you're saying, then Tony shouldn't be in the chase at all, along with Jr.
So I don't understand why you would bring it up. Are you pissed that Tony made the chase and not a driver like Menard?
You know better than to ask me a question like that.

I've actually never been a fan of the Chase. It makes more sense to me to reward a driver's entire season and forget any kind of playoff format in Nascar.

They have revised the rules of the Chase at least twice since implementing it in 2004. I'm not quite as big a fan of some other sports, but I don't recall them changing rules to win the championship 3 times in 7 seasons. Obviously, something isn't working the way they hoped it would.

Not to mention there have only been 3 different drivers who have been Chase champions. And if by comparison JJ would have won the past 5 years anyway, what's the point of the Chase? I'm not trying to be sarcastic but I think that's a valid question.

“smokes~ mojo”

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#12 Nov 13, 2011
I think they figured that jj would have only won one of his 5 jeff and tony would each have another one and think harvick would have got one. so it does make a difference.

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#13 Nov 13, 2011
CatRod53 wrote:
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You know better than to ask me a question like that.
I've actually never been a fan of the Chase. It makes more sense to me to reward a driver's entire season and forget any kind of playoff format in Nascar.
They have revised the rules of the Chase at least twice since implementing it in 2004. I'm not quite as big a fan of some other sports, but I don't recall them changing rules to win the championship 3 times in 7 seasons. Obviously, something isn't working the way they hoped it would.
Not to mention there have only been 3 different drivers who have been Chase champions. And if by comparison JJ would have won the past 5 years anyway, what's the point of the Chase? I'm not trying to be sarcastic but I think that's a valid question.
But that's why I asked, to get a better explanation from you...I agree on getting rid of the chase, I also think that drivers need to be awarded points for poles wins as well.

I also think that the Top 35 locked in needs to go away....make these guy race for that trophy from the start of qualifying for the Daytona 500 to the checkers at Homestead.

“smokes~ mojo”

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#14 Nov 13, 2011
There is always someone who has a fantastic chase and would end up better than their chase standing and one or two who drop like a rock and would end up closer to 20th than 13th. that is what is unfair about the chase. Think the placings should be fluid to 20th and see who is top 10 by homestead for the banquet. would be better for the sponsors because announcers would have to follow 20 cars instead of 12. so more sponsor exposure.

“smokes~ mojo”

Since: Dec 06

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#15 Nov 13, 2011
the year tony did not make the chase and won what 3 races in the chase and would have been like 5th but ended up 11th or 13th. what ever the first non chaser was that year.

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#16 Nov 13, 2011
ruttrosmokesmojo wrote:
I think they figured that jj would have only won one of his 5 jeff and tony would each have another one and think harvick would have got one. so it does make a difference.
So far I know that Jeff Gordon would of won the first chase instead of Kurt Busch and that was the only upset. Jimmie Johnston did win all of his championships as did Tony.
CatRod53

Gary, IN

#17 Nov 13, 2011
ruttrosmokesmojo wrote:
I think they figured that jj would have only won one of his 5 jeff and tony would each have another one and think harvick would have got one. so it does make a difference.
hmmm ... that explains alot!
CatRod53

Gary, IN

#18 Nov 13, 2011
littlebit wrote:
<quoted text>But that's why I asked, to get a better explanation from you...I agree on getting rid of the chase, I also think that drivers need to be awarded points for poles wins as well.
I also think that the Top 35 locked in needs to go away....make these guy race for that trophy from the start of qualifying for the Daytona 500 to the checkers at Homestead.
We are in total agreement here!!

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#19 Nov 13, 2011
ruttrosmokesmojo wrote:
if a driver wins 5 races but finishes 35 or worse in all the other races will he make the chase mathematically?
I would say probably not. I think a bad finish hurts you a lot more than what a win helps you. There's a fine line between winning and being consistant.

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#20 Nov 13, 2011
CatRod53 wrote:
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We are in total agreement here!!
I would love to see the working on race trim and not qualifying done away with and if Tony, Jeff or Jr can't qualify a car then they don't need to race. Let's see who's sandbagging up front. Maybe give the top then extra points.

Plus just for those start and park teams....you can only have five incidences a season. Once you have five you stay parked.

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