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Since: Feb 07

Roanoke, VA

#1 Mar 4, 2009
I am sure that everyone has been following the story of these men lost at sea off of the Florida coast. All of these families are going through a terrible time. Just when I thought that Fox News couldn't sink any lower, they have a story on their website stating the the survivor has said that the other three intentionally took off their life vests 2 to intentionally be swept out to sea and the third trying to swim for help. First, even if this is what this guy thinks may have happened, he might have imagined it. He had been in the water for 40 hours meaning he was dehydrated and well as experiencing hypothermia. This means that he could have been hallucinating. I think this is very poor reporting and they (Fox) could have shown some common decency and respect for the families of these men. Guess that requires having integrity which apparently they are lacking completely at this point.

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Since: Dec 06

Mooresville, NC

#2 Mar 4, 2009
Wasnt just Fox....I read it on my homepage.

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Since: Dec 06

Mooresville, NC

#3 Mar 4, 2009

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Since: Dec 06

Mooresville, NC

#4 Mar 4, 2009
Lucy64 wrote:
I am sure that everyone has been following the story of these men lost at sea off of the Florida coast. All of these families are going through a terrible time. Just when I thought that Fox News couldn't sink any lower, they have a story on their website stating the the survivor has said that the other three intentionally took off their life vests 2 to intentionally be swept out to sea and the third trying to swim for help. First, even if this is what this guy thinks may have happened, he might have imagined it. He had been in the water f
or 40 hours meaning he was dehydrated and well as experiencing hypothermia. This means that he could have been hallucinating. I think this is very poor reporting and they (Fox) could have shown some common decency and respect for the families of these men. Guess that requires having integrity which apparently they are lacking completely at this point.
The article I posted says the families are the ones reporting this. They went public and said this is what is being told to us by the coast guard.

If its true, they were probably not in their right mind when they took them off. They do believe they were wearing them. How come they havent been found then? Wouldnt they be floating?

Since: Feb 07

Roanoke, VA

#5 Mar 4, 2009
Maro wrote:
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The article I posted says the families are the ones reporting this. They went public and said this is what is being told to us by the coast guard.
If its true, they were probably not in their right mind when they took them off. They do believe they were wearing them. How come they havent been found then? Wouldnt they be floating?
CNN briefly mentions this in their article with family members stating that they don't think they would have taken them off. Not saying they didn't, but I would question that they did it only 2-4 hours after capsizing (hard to imagine athletes in that good shape giving up that fast). Also you have to remember there could be other reasons they haven't been found (sharks). The reports say unnamed family members are the ones telling this story. If that is true, then shame on them.

Since: Jan 07

Charlotte NC

#6 Mar 4, 2009
Removing of life vests and clothing is called Paradoxical undressing and it occurs in anywhere from 20%-50% of victims. Could happen in 2-4 hours depending on weather conditions and water temps.

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Since: Dec 06

Mooresville, NC

#7 Mar 4, 2009
This quote is from Will Bleakleys father.

"We were told that Nick said the two NFL players took their life jackets off and drifted out to sea," said Bob Bleakley, whose son Will, 25, a former University of South Florida football player, is also still missing.

I did find this posted by someone else on another board.....maybe they didnt mean to separate intentionally.

"One other thing.. if you’ve ever tried to hold on to the bottom of a boat before - it’s very hard. Especially in 10ft swells. I would bet that the guy who survived was holding on near the back by the engine where you can actually hold on to something. Otherwise you’d just be sitting there with the slippery boat bashing against you, while treading water(a lean NFL player doesn’t float as well as you or I) in cold water. Most surfers wear wetsuits when the water goes below 63.

If anything the players let go so they could stay moving to try and stay warm.. since you can’t really tread water near a boat that’s bashing against you in the swells. Also, if you figure the type of currents there were - letting go of the boat for 30 seconds could end up creating 20 feet of seperation. If you’ve ever been out in 10ft swells you know that you cannot see anything!! Especially in 10ft chop! If you got 20 ft away from the boat you wouldn’t be able to find it visually."

Its very sad. Thats a tough situation to go through for any length of time. Two of them looked bulky, muscular....Youd be surprised in a situation like that how fast you wished you were not muscular.

Since: Feb 07

Roanoke, VA

#8 Mar 4, 2009
Maro wrote:
This quote is from Will Bleakleys father.
"We were told that Nick said the two NFL players took their life jackets off and drifted out to sea," said Bob Bleakley, whose son Will, 25, a former University of South Florida football player, is also still missing.
I did find this posted by someone else on another board.....maybe they didnt mean to separate intentionally.
"One other thing.. if you’ve ever tried to hold on to the bottom of a boat before - it’s very hard. Especially in 10ft swells. I would bet that the guy who survived was holding on near the back by the engine where you can actually hold on to something. Otherwise you’d just be sitting there with the slippery boat bashing against you, while treading water(a lean NFL player doesn’t float as well as you or I) in cold water. Most surfers wear wetsuits when the water goes below 63.
If anything the players let go so they could stay moving to try and stay warm.. since you can’t really tread water near a boat that’s bashing against you in the swells. Also, if you figure the type of currents there were - letting go of the boat for 30 seconds could end up creating 20 feet of seperation. If you’ve ever been out in 10ft swells you know that you cannot see anything!! Especially in 10ft chop! If you got 20 ft away from the boat you wouldn’t be able to find it visually."
Its very sad. Thats a tough situation to go through for any length of time. Two of them looked bulky, muscular....Youd be surprised in a situation like that how fast you wished you were not muscular.
Yea the doctor is saying that the survivor is having problems with the muscles in his arms and legs. I don't think all of them could have held on as slippery as that boat had to be. I would tend to think that when it got dark is when they probably got separated and with the storms it is hard to tell how far the swells could have carried them. Just a very sad situation all around. I am sure that the guy who survived will probably have survivors guilt.

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Since: Dec 06

South Central Indiana

#9 Mar 5, 2009
I'm having a hard time keeping it straight. I know more information is doled out as it becomes available, but over the course of the past few days I've read:

~ the boat capsized sometime late Saturday afternoon/early Saturday evening
~ the boat capsized in the middle of the night
~ they all managed to stay with the boat until dawn Sunday morning
~ two of them "gave up" shortly after the boat capsized
~ the NFL players intentionally took off their life vests to be swept to sea
~ the NFL players were hallucinating and took off their life vests
~ the survivor was hallucinating and doesn't have any idea what happened

I can't imagine the uncertainty and grief these families must be feeling. I can only pray that they find answers.

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Since: Dec 06

Mooresville, NC

#10 Mar 5, 2009
Id like to know if they asked this guy what happened to the other 3, or if he immediately began to tell officials what happened to his 3 friends, cause if thats the case, how did he know they hadnt been found?

BTW, the link I posted last night, his doctor says he is not out of it and aware of what hes saying. He said he survived because hes a trainer and has extreme mental and physical toughness.

Someone made a good point last night. Look at the life vest he was wearing, its a teeny weeny lifevest. They are made for the average 160 pound man. NOT a LINEBACKER.

Tie a lifevest to 300 pounds and watch what happens to it.
Cleo

Marquette, MI

#11 Mar 5, 2009
How horrific for the family members of those that are lost.
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Cookeville, TN

#12 Mar 5, 2009
maine girl wrote:
Removing of life vests and clothing is called Paradoxical undressing and it occurs in anywhere from 20%-50% of victims. Could happen in 2-4 hours depending on weather conditions and water temps.
I believe this is what happened regardless of the families saying their sons would not give up. In their mind they weren't giving up, they thought it was knowledgical. Also in the area they were in there are predatory fish (such as sharks) in those waters. Even if they had their vests on and lets say a shark got them, they probably wouldn't find the vest. Sharks will shallow anything and everything. Sharks will eventually upchuck what they cannot digest, but it takes a little time (a few days) for them to do that. IMO I believe the men are gone and won't ever be found. Those waters are too dangerous.

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Since: Dec 06

Mooresville, NC

#13 Mar 5, 2009
TY for posting that MaineGirl....Ive never heard of that before.

And now the key to what causes paradoxical undressing. Vasoconstriction occurs when the smooth muscles within the vasculature contract. This effort requires a steady input of energy in the form of glucose from the body's energy stores. However, due to a lack of blood now traveling to these muscles, they eventually tire. As the muscles of the constricted blood vessels run out of energy, they fatigue, relax, and open up. This is known as vasodilation.

With vasodilation of the blood vessels, an infusion of warm blood from the core of the body rushes into the peripheral extremities. This causes the hypothermia victim to feel overly warm and to start shedding layers of clothing, contrary to the reality that their body temperature is continuing to drop.

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Since: Dec 06

Mooresville, NC

#14 Mar 5, 2009
GO FASTER I HEAR BANJOS wrote:
<quoted text>I believe this is what happened regardless of the families saying their sons would not give up. In their mind they weren't giving up, they thought it was knowledgical. Also in the area they were in there are predatory fish (such as sharks) in those waters. Even if they had their vests on and lets say a shark got them, they probably wouldn't find the vest. Sharks will shallow anything and everything. Sharks will eventually upchuck what they cannot digest, but it takes a little time (a few days) for them to do that. IMO I believe the men are gone and won't ever be found. Those waters are too dangerous.
Actually most of them, with the exception of Tiger Sharks will spit a person out once they realize we are not fish. Its redundant when a person is alive because they usually rip you limb from limb before they realize you are bone and muscle and not the fat of a seal or fish.

They dont like to eat people.

Since: Jan 07

Charlotte NC

#15 Mar 5, 2009
GO FASTER I HEAR BANJOS wrote:
<quoted text>I believe this is what happened regardless of the families saying their sons would not give up. In their mind they weren't giving up, they thought it was knowledgical. Also in the area they were in there are predatory fish (such as sharks) in those waters. Even if they had their vests on and lets say a shark got them, they probably wouldn't find the vest. Sharks will shallow anything and everything. Sharks will eventually upchuck what they cannot digest, but it takes a little time (a few days) for them to do that. IMO I believe the men are gone and won't ever be found. Those waters are too dangerous.
It is sad but true they may never find any trace of them.

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Since: Dec 08

Upstate New York

#16 Mar 5, 2009
My heart goes out to the families of the young men lost . I hope they find them so at least the families can have closer .
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Cookeville, TN

#17 Mar 5, 2009
Maro wrote:
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Actually most of them, with the exception of Tiger Sharks will spit a person out once they realize we are not fish. Its redundant when a person is alive because they usually rip you limb from limb before they realize you are bone and muscle and not the fat of a seal or fish.
They dont like to eat people.
True tiger sharks will do that. They say if you curl up in a ball when a shark is spotted you won't be attacked, but I don't think the guys knew or did that. But lets say if a Tiger Shark did get to them, they would have bit into them or ripped a limb off, causing blood to flow attracting other fish. The men would surely have bled to death and/or eaten by other fish. Who knows? If they are not found, no one will know. I can just imagine that if that happened it's such a horrible way to die. I feel so sorry for them.

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Since: Dec 06

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#18 Mar 5, 2009
the currents carry them a lot of miles away each day from where they wrecked''
an everyone knows the gulf is full of sharks' more so in florida waters.
i hope an pray they could be found' but that wont happen''''''

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Since: Dec 06

Mooresville, NC

#19 Mar 5, 2009
GO FASTER I HEAR BANJOS wrote:
<quoted text>True tiger sharks will do that. They say if you curl up in a ball when a shark is spotted you won't be attacked, but I don't think the guys knew or did that. But lets say if a Tiger Shark did get to them, they would have bit into them or ripped a limb off, causing blood to flow attracting other fish. The men would surely have bled to death and/or eaten by other fish. Who knows? If they are not found, no one will know. I can just imagine that if that happened it's such a horrible way to die. I feel so sorry for them.
Im not sure what sharks are native to that area, when I was staying down in Miami, we had the little ones swim up on the beach. I know their are sharks who are opportunistic feeders, they eat when they can cause they dont know when their next meal will come.

I hate to say it but maybe their better off not being found. Who would want to get arm or leg back?

I know its a big area, but its weird no bodies have been found, they will eventually float to the surface. I wonder if they wouldve drowned first though.

Since: Jan 07

Charlotte NC

#20 Mar 5, 2009
Maro wrote:
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Im not sure what sharks are native to that area, when I was staying down in Miami, we had the little ones swim up on the beach. I know their are sharks who are opportunistic feeders, they eat when they can cause they dont know when their next meal will come.
I hate to say it but maybe their better off not being found. Who would want to get arm or leg back?
I know its a big area, but its weird no bodies have been found, they will eventually float to the surface. I wonder if they wouldve drowned first though.
My guess would be they past out from hypothermia and then slipped under and drowned.

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