Talladega red-flagged following Newma...

Talladega red-flagged following Newman crash

There are 56 comments on the WLNS-TV Lansing story from Nov 1, 2009, titled Talladega red-flagged following Newman crash. In it, WLNS-TV Lansing reports that:

NASCAR red-flagged Sunday's race at Talladega following a spectacular crash involving Ryan Newman with five laps remaining.

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barr

Temperance, MI

#22 Nov 2, 2009
I'm all for fixing the speed issues at plate tracks and eliminate pushing and bump drafting. If your car isn't fast enough on its own or you aren't a good enough of a driver to do it on your own you shouldn't win the race. People go to Talladega to see crashes and maybe somebody even get hurt seriously or killed. What a bunch of sickos!
pcshin

Brea, CA

#23 Nov 2, 2009
Holy Handgrenade wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh yeah? You're so fat, you had your baby pictures taken by satellite.
You're so fat, when you walked past my TV I missed three episodes of "CSI"!
You're so fat, I had to grease the door frame and hold a Twinkie on the other side just to get you through.
You're so fat, that you have been declared a natural habitat for Condors!
You're so fat, we can use the elastic in your underwear for bungee jumping!
You're so fat, you farted and launched yourself into orbit!
You're so fat, you masturbate while reading cookbooks!
how old are you---that is disgusting
Lynn

Gibsonburg, OH

#24 Nov 2, 2009
I thought the race yesterday was extremely boring! They need to change something in the restrictor plate races so that it "is" racing. I'll take the good ole short tracks anyday. At least it is competitive the whole race and not just the last few laps.
Adam

Exeter, NH

#25 Nov 2, 2009
I agree yesterdays race was the worst race I've watched all year. and people say pocono's boring, I think I would have rather watched a replay of a pocono race the than that yesterday!
way to go jj

Sioux City, IA

#26 Nov 2, 2009
PEDDLE FASTER wrote:
Yeah, and like Kenny Wallace said "Where did they wreck? In the spots NASCAR told them they could draft. Not in the turns." So.... so much for not drafting in the turns
the corners would have been worse than the turns.
high-fives to nascar.

“How We Roll”

Since: Nov 08

Area 51, Nevada

#28 Nov 2, 2009
way to go jj wrote:
<quoted text>the corners would have been worse than the turns.
high-fives to nascar.
I bet if Johnson wasn't dominating for 4 in a row, people would be less whiny and crap-talking everything. If Jr was front man in points and lead most of the race, they wouldn't have any complaints!

The race isn't THAT much different than previous ones. Dega to me has always been boring until they're 3 wide, and if its 5 laps single file or 50, its always going to be the same endurance race we've been watching except drivers are getting smarter about not risking a shuffle session that won't mean jack because its not the last 20 laps.

Now anybody who complains - how the heck would YOU drive with a plate if you could have any rules you want? Be patient or be parked in the garage early. I guess since you're not the one behind the wheel you'd rather them just wreck up the field so there's only 10 cars operating at the end. You'd probably prefer them play 'last man standing' LOL

Since: Apr 07

United States

#29 Nov 2, 2009
barr wrote:
I'm all for fixing the speed issues at plate tracks and eliminate pushing and bump drafting. If your car isn't fast enough on its own or you aren't a good enough of a driver to do it on your own you shouldn't win the race. People go to Talladega to see crashes and maybe somebody even get hurt seriously or killed. What a bunch of sickos!
You must also be all for a flying Cup car you land in your if you are six rows up.

On the one hand you are good with taking plates off to save driver lives, somewhat ignoring that drivers accept the risk of loss of life and get payed to do so. On the other hand, you ignore the fact that you as a fan go to races to be entertained, and become a patient at Carraway Hospital when a piece of Carl Edwards' car flies up and breaks your jaw.

That happened in April.

I know a lot of people who have suggestions about what to do at Talladega, but the bottom line is that the cars are too fast and that NASCAR must ACCEPT that before anyone else. Even with the plates, too much speed is too much speed, and safety becomes a blur at 200mph.

The turns at Talladega are not coming down. NASCAR does not own any track, and the promoters who own Daytona and Talladega are not going to spend millions of dollars to flatten them.

Smaller engines at Daytona and Talladega are the only logical answer. Unfortunately, NASCAR is married to big V8's as part of its IMAGE.

They must make up their minds if the lives and heath of their drivers and their FANS are worth the sake of that image.

Since: Apr 07

United States

#30 Nov 2, 2009
Sorry Barr.

"That first statement should have read "You must also be all for a flying Cup car falling in your lap if you are six feet up!"

Since: Apr 07

United States

#31 Nov 2, 2009
ROWS UP!

Sheeesh.
way to go jj

Sioux City, IA

#32 Nov 2, 2009
alpinedigital wrote:
<quoted text>
I bet if Johnson wasn't dominating for 4 in a row, people would be less whiny and crap-talking everything. If Jr was front man in points and lead most of the race, they wouldn't have any complaints!
The race isn't THAT much different than previous ones. Dega to me has always been boring until they're 3 wide, and if its 5 laps single file or 50, its always going to be the same endurance race we've been watching except drivers are getting smarter about not risking a shuffle session that won't mean jack because its not the last 20 laps.
Now anybody who complains - how the heck would YOU drive with a plate if you could have any rules you want? Be patient or be parked in the garage early. I guess since you're not the one behind the wheel you'd rather them just wreck up the field so there's only 10 cars operating at the end. You'd probably prefer them play 'last man standing' LOL
it was the same dega as usual' nothing different''''way to go jj' hes totally awesome in my book.....
barr

Temperance, MI

#33 Nov 2, 2009
They go to fast for the big tracks. A person has to be almost insane to drive over 200mph with 25 other cars all on each others bumpers.

“How We Roll”

Since: Nov 08

Area 51, Nevada

#34 Nov 2, 2009
barr wrote:
They go to fast for the big tracks. A person has to be almost insane to drive over 200mph with 25 other cars all on each others bumpers.
It's not really that scary; Ya just have to have a wicked awareness level to handle it. I remember a scary formula 1 incident where the driver had almost the same heart rate after the incident occured.(I forget how or why they were monitoring his vital signs at the time.) They know what they're doing and their awareness is like Spiderman.

They dont really have 'OMG!' moments.. its all pretty layed back, just at REAL fast speeds. When they wreck, they're probably like, "Okay, no other cars coming to land on top of me... The world always looks surreal upside down... that sounded like a teather snapping; -hope no parts are flying further than I am. At this pace I'm predicting 2 more rolls, and probably land right side up. I sure hope the media coverage shows this wasn't my fault..."
Voice of Reality

Colonial Heights, VA

#35 Nov 2, 2009
alpinedigital wrote:
<quoted text>
Awww what a big ol fat crybaby. If you don't like it, don't watch it. But don't effort to insult people's intelligence like they weren't doing near enough the same thing they've done in previous races. You act like it was altogether absolutely different from anything that's ever happened and it wasn't. Only whiny crybaby people who're still pissed about something else like Johnson Dominating need to vent and complain about NASCAR at every opportunity.
I clearly remember at least SOME previous races that start off 3 wide, go to 2 wide, and single file, shuffle around during pit stops and when cautions come, they gather up and it starts again. So basically if there's no cautions, they WILL log laps. They SHOULD be smart enough not to risk wrecking out. And Johnson isn't the first to minimize the risk by riding in back.
Anyway, how often are you going to come around and announce how you no longer watch NASCAR races? LOL Oh and your little 'I drive weeely far to watch dirt track' crap was soooo inspirational! I am really impressed by your dedication to real racing...
Actually, punk, I could not care less if you are impressed or not, that is not my job to impress you. As far as your judgements, you are free to shove them up your A$$
Voice of Reality

Colonial Heights, VA

#36 Nov 2, 2009
Whoyakidding wrote:
<quoted text>What dirt track are they racing at next weekend, Clary or County Line?
They are racing at County Line Saturday, everything from Super Lates to U-Cars. Should be a great show, come on down and have a beer, I will be the person wearing the antique Winston Cup Jacket.
Voice of Reality

Colonial Heights, VA

#37 Nov 2, 2009
MarkL5 wrote:
<quoted text>
You must also be all for a flying Cup car you land in your if you are six rows up.
On the one hand you are good with taking plates off to save driver lives, somewhat ignoring that drivers accept the risk of loss of life and get payed to do so. On the other hand, you ignore the fact that you as a fan go to races to be entertained, and become a patient at Carraway Hospital when a piece of Carl Edwards' car flies up and breaks your jaw.
That happened in April.
I know a lot of people who have suggestions about what to do at Talladega, but the bottom line is that the cars are too fast and that NASCAR must ACCEPT that before anyone else. Even with the plates, too much speed is too much speed, and safety becomes a blur at 200mph.
The turns at Talladega are not coming down. NASCAR does not own any track, and the promoters who own Daytona and Talladega are not going to spend millions of dollars to flatten them.
Smaller engines at Daytona and Talladega are the only logical answer. Unfortunately, NASCAR is married to big V8's as part of its IMAGE.
They must make up their minds if the lives and heath of their drivers and their FANS are worth the sake of that image.
Mark, actually Talladega and Daytona are owned by NASCAR, through their sister corporation, International Speedway Corporation. Darryl Waltrip once made the statement that there were two ways to improve both the quality of racing and the safety of racing at both plants.

Option #1, bring the banks down to a reasonable amount. Talladega was the brain child to attempt to get the first stock car to run 200MPH on a closed course and we all know Buddy Baker was the first to do it in the old K&K #71 Dodge Daytona. Then Bill Elliott forced them to go to the plates with the over 212 qualification and Bobby Allison almost getting into the stands.

Option #2 would be to force the teams to build a more square car for Tallagega and Daytona and replace the wing with a blade about half again as big as the Arca Blade. This would force the car to push so much frontal air space that larger plates which would allow for more torque to get out of trouble would be allowed and still keep the cars ar a respectable speed.

The smaller plates did not keep Newman from getting airborne and he could have just as easy been by the outside wall as on the apron when he went airborne.

Ryan Newman was 100% correct in all of the things he stated and the sad part is that NASCAR will attempt to get him to recant.

“All hail...”

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#38 Nov 2, 2009
Voice of Reality wrote:
<quoted text>
Mark, actually Talladega and Daytona are owned by NASCAR, through their sister corporation, International Speedway Corporation. Darryl Waltrip once made the statement that there were two ways to improve both the quality of racing and the safety of racing at both plants.
Option #1, bring the banks down to a reasonable amount. Talladega was the brain child to attempt to get the first stock car to run 200MPH on a closed course and we all know Buddy Baker was the first to do it in the old K&K #71 Dodge Daytona. Then Bill Elliott forced them to go to the plates with the over 212 qualification and Bobby Allison almost getting into the stands.
Option #2 would be to force the teams to build a more square car for Tallagega and Daytona and replace the wing with a blade about half again as big as the Arca Blade. This would force the car to push so much frontal air space that larger plates which would allow for more torque to get out of trouble would be allowed and still keep the cars ar a respectable speed.
The smaller plates did not keep Newman from getting airborne and he could have just as easy been by the outside wall as on the apron when he went airborne.
Ryan Newman was 100% correct in all of the things he stated and the sad part is that NASCAR will attempt to get him to recant.
Agree completely about Ryan, and I truly hope he doesn't budge. The man has a degree in engineering for heaven's sake, and you could hear his frustration about Nascar not listening or showing respect for the drivers. There are options out there, but Nascar is a theocracy (as in they are God) so don't expect any changes.

Since: Apr 07

United States

#39 Nov 2, 2009
Voice of Reality wrote:
<quoted text>
Mark, actually Talladega and Daytona are owned by NASCAR, through their sister corporation, International Speedway Corporation. Darryl Waltrip once made the statement that there were two ways to improve both the quality of racing and the safety of racing at both plants.
Option #1, bring the banks down to a reasonable amount. Talladega was the brain child to attempt to get the first stock car to run 200MPH on a closed course and we all know Buddy Baker was the first to do it in the old K&K #71 Dodge Daytona. Then Bill Elliott forced them to go to the plates with the over 212 qualification and Bobby Allison almost getting into the stands.
Option #2 would be to force the teams to build a more square car for Tallagega and Daytona and replace the wing with a blade about half again as big as the Arca Blade. This would force the car to push so much frontal air space that larger plates which would allow for more torque to get out of trouble would be allowed and still keep the cars ar a respectable speed.
The smaller plates did not keep Newman from getting airborne and he could have just as easy been by the outside wall as on the apron when he went airborne.
Ryan Newman was 100% correct in all of the things he stated and the sad part is that NASCAR will attempt to get him to recant.
Dispute 1.
ISC is a publicly-traded company. 51% of its stock is controlled by the France family. NASCAR is wholy-owned by the France Family. NASCAR does not answer to stock-holders, ISC does. They may be related but they are not "sister companies," and bump heads on a myrad of issues.

Dispute 2.
Dispite the wisdom of Darrell Waltrip, there is no way ISC is going to spend millions to re-configure Daytona and Talladega when NASCAR can mandate changes to cars for almost nothing.

Dispute 3.
The world closed course record run of Buddy Baker at Tallagega was in a Daytona Dodge Charger specially prepared by Chrysler Engineering. The car wore the #88. The K&K Insurance Dodge Charger was driving by Bobby Issac.

For the most part I agree with your car suggestions. No boxier car need be prepared for Daytona and Talladega because the COT is a brick compared to the car that ran before it. A smaller conventional spoiler of just a few inches would force cars to lift in the turns with the current restrictor plate in place.

In the case of the current COT, the deck spoiler with a car going in reverse adds lift and negates roof flap deployment.

Newman will not recant.

I can think of at least a dozen drivers who have said worse!
Tami

United States

#40 Nov 2, 2009
I am so glad that Newman made it all alive. I am so happy for him and letting Nascar now how he felt!!

“Life”

Since: Jun 09

Location hidden

#41 Nov 2, 2009
Sycamore wrote:
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Agree completely about Ryan, and I truly hope he doesn't budge. The man has a degree in engineering for heaven's sake, and you could hear his frustration about Nascar not listening or showing respect for the drivers. There are options out there, but Nascar is a theocracy (as in they are God) so don't expect any changes.
Did you catch him mentioning his degree in Engineering during the interview? Wonder if he was "hinting"? He would be quite helpful, I'm sure,to NASCAR if they would only listen to him.

“All hail...”

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#42 Nov 2, 2009
PEDDLE FASTER wrote:
<quoted text>Did you catch him mentioning his degree in Engineering during the interview? Wonder if he was "hinting"? He would be quite helpful, I'm sure,to NASCAR if they would only listen to him.
There was no hint about it, he was frustrated that even with the degree there wasn't respect from Nascar. He knew he was going to go airborne because of the wing design and basically said there were better ways to do it.

I hate to think how sore he must be today!

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