Montoya Crashes Early, Finishes 24th

Montoya Crashes Early, Finishes 24th

There are 77 comments on the The Associated Press story from Oct 15, 2006, titled Montoya Crashes Early, Finishes 24th . In it, The Associated Press reports that:

Juan Pablo Montoya is having the time of his life racing stock cars _ even though a rookie mistake cost him any chance for a win Sunday.

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Stratocaster

Pontian, Malaysia

#21 Oct 19, 2006
Willie, I was an ardent fan of F1 for many years. I loved Mikka. When Mikka left I wasn't affected as much as when Montoya left. I'm from the (far) east as they term it. F1 was gaining popularity fast here. Now it seems to generate less and less interest. The F1 track in Sepang saw a much smaller crowd this year.

You see to win races in F1 its down to splitting hairs now. 90% of the spectators are in the dark during the race (so its called - racing against your self) as 90% of the time there is nothing but cars stuck in their position going round the track (no matter how the commentators try to say the race is exciting).

Anyways F1 I think is more a european sport which for a brief time was fast gaining popularity here - now waning. A1 GP will probably generate more interest because of nations competing.

When the F1 teams and driver's come here they complain about the heat ect. But to be world champion you must be able to handle and thrive in any situation found worldwide - to be called "World Champion", instead of always being glad to back racing in europe.
Willie

South Africa

#22 Oct 19, 2006
Stratocaster wrote:
Willie, I was an ardent fan of F1 for many years. I loved Mikka. When Mikka left I wasn't affected as much as when Montoya left. I'm from the (far) east as they term it. F1 was gaining popularity fast here. Now it seems to generate less and less interest. The F1 track in Sepang saw a much smaller crowd this year.
You see to win races in F1 its down to splitting hairs now. 90% of the spectators are in the dark during the race (so its called - racing against your self) as 90% of the time there is nothing but cars stuck in their position going round the track (no matter how the commentators try to say the race is exciting).
Anyways F1 I think is more a european sport which for a brief time was fast gaining popularity here - now waning. A1 GP will probably generate more interest because of nations competing.
When the F1 teams and driver's come here they complain about the heat ect. But to be world champion you must be able to handle and thrive in any situation found worldwide - to be called "World Champion", instead of always being glad to back racing in europe.
Yep, I agree with you. As you can see I live in Africa, with the result that we are badly neglected when it comes to good (expensive) motor racing. We get excited about BMW 330i's dicing Alfa GTA's and Audi A4's. Most of the rest of the time we dont get to see a fraction of the racing that you guys are used to, so we have to rely on television motorsport from Europe.
Jokes aside and to be honest, I think that if I lived in Europe or elsewhere and had the opportunity to go watch all the F1 races, I would probably often stay at home and watch selected races on TV. I find F1 on TV extremely exciting. You must bear in mind that F1 is "more" than the cars and the racing personalities. "Politics" is what gives it the edge over other formula's. You have to know exactly what's going on behind the scenes, or forget about it. If you arent interested in the "politics", you will not see or understand the attraction in it.
I share your desire to see A1 GP become huge and succesful. My little country is also represented there. The only problem is money. A1 GP will only really become a racing formula to be reckoned with if the cars can become closer in specification to the F1 cars.
Lets hope they get there.
Larry

Freehold, NY

#23 Oct 19, 2006
Willie wrote:
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Yep, I agree with you. As you can see I live in Africa, with the result that we are badly neglected when it comes to good (expensive) motor racing. We get excited about BMW 330i's dicing Alfa GTA's and Audi A4's. Most of the rest of the time we dont get to see a fraction of the racing that you guys are used to, so we have to rely on television motorsport from Europe.
Jokes aside and to be honest, I think that if I lived in Europe or elsewhere and had the opportunity to go watch all the F1 races, I would probably often stay at home and watch selected races on TV. I find F1 on TV extremely exciting. You must bear in mind that F1 is "more" than the cars and the racing personalities. "Politics" is what gives it the edge over other formula's. You have to know exactly what's going on behind the scenes, or forget about it. If you arent interested in the "politics", you will not see or understand the attraction in it.
I share your desire to see A1 GP become huge and succesful. My little country is also represented there. The only problem is money. A1 GP will only really become a racing formula to be reckoned with if the cars can become closer in specification to the F1 cars.
Lets hope they get there.
Willie, I'm glad you finally explained your interest in F1. You enjoy the politics & intrigue in the background. That's fine, but to me 90% of politics is just silly game playing by people who should know better. We have the F1 of political idiocy right here in Washington,D.C.. I , and apparently a lot of other people, don't watch races for politics, but for the on-track competition between drivers.
Now you like to takes swipes at NASCAR whenever you can, but you say you have rather little racing coverage. My guess is you never watched a NASCAR NEXTEL CUP race. I'll make you a deal. I'll send you, on DVD, any upcoming NASCAR race you care to see. Pick a driver, follow him thru the race & see how it goes. You'll either find that it's better racing then you think, or you will be able to offer intelligent criticism of NASCAR. Either way, you win. So, do you have the integrity to take me up on my offer, or do you just want to keep offering lame criticism of something you apparently know little about?
lfingar@mhcable.com
Louie Thompson

Greer, SC

#24 Oct 19, 2006
Larry dont waste your time. If you havent noticed yet willie flames on every post. Its like he wants attention. He wants you to post back so he can flame. Ignore him and let him be. Its obvious he hates NASCAR and i dont think he even watched a race. I like all racing. F1,IRL,NEXTEL etc. IRL and NEXTEL cup are exciting to watch and to me thats what its all about. Not because that car is more higher tech and faster than the other,its the side by side pack racing that gets me on the edge of my seat that IRL and NEXTEL provide. F1 is kool but sometimes single file "follow the leader" racing gets a little boring. I dont know about you guys, maybe i'm crazy but just the sound of the cars gets me excited lol. Anyways racing is racing. Its always easy to bash and judge others when your sitting on the couch. All these guys have skill and earn my respect. Even the guy in the back of the pack earned busted his ass to get to where he's at. At least he did something. So i will not flame either motorsport.
mindy

Santa Cruz, CA

#25 Oct 19, 2006
Louie Thompson wrote:
Larry dont waste your time. If you havent noticed yet willie flames on every post. Its like he wants attention. He wants you to post back so he can flame. Ignore him and let him be. Its obvious he hates NASCAR and i dont think he even watched a race. I like all racing. F1,IRL,NEXTEL etc. IRL and NEXTEL cup are exciting to watch and to me thats what its all about. Not because that car is more higher tech and faster than the other,its the side by side pack racing that gets me on the edge of my seat that IRL and NEXTEL provide. F1 is kool but sometimes single file "follow the leader" racing gets a little boring. I dont know about you guys, maybe i'm crazy but just the sound of the cars gets me excited lol. Anyways racing is racing. Its always easy to bash and judge others when your sitting on the couch. All these guys have skill and earn my respect. Even the guy in the back of the pack earned busted his ass to get to where he's at. At least he did something. So i will not flame either motorsport.
WOW!!!!I think you and i are alike,thank you for that post,very cool....:)
Willie

South Africa

#26 Oct 20, 2006
Larry wrote:
<quoted text>
Willie, I'm glad you finally explained your interest in F1. You enjoy the politics & intrigue in the background. That's fine, but to me 90% of politics is just silly game playing by people who should know better. We have the F1 of political idiocy right here in Washington,D.C.. I , and apparently a lot of other people, don't watch races for politics, but for the on-track competition between drivers.
Now you like to takes swipes at NASCAR whenever you can, but you say you have rather little racing coverage. My guess is you never watched a NASCAR NEXTEL CUP race. I'll make you a deal. I'll send you, on DVD, any upcoming NASCAR race you care to see. Pick a driver, follow him thru the race & see how it goes. You'll either find that it's better racing then you think, or you will be able to offer intelligent criticism of NASCAR. Either way, you win. So, do you have the integrity to take me up on my offer, or do you just want to keep offering lame criticism of something you apparently know little about?
lfingar@mhcable.com
No thanks Larry. I shall rather steer well clear of you. You see, these forum's are put in place for people to offer their opinions, but more importantly, for people to have fun. Problem with guys like you is that if someone takes a dig at anything you dont like, you experience it as a personal attack on yourself, and then you get nasty. Fact is, I dont even know you.
Come on, why dont you launch an opinion on one of these stories, instead of just responding to other people's comments, or are you afraid that someone might not agree with you or oppose you.
It's got nothing to do with integrity, man. It's just a bit of humour...
Brad

Livonia, MI

#27 Oct 20, 2006
Willie wrote:
<quoted text>
No thanks Larry. I shall rather steer well clear of you. You see, these forum's are put in place for people to offer their opinions, but more importantly, for people to have fun. Problem with guys like you is that if someone takes a dig at anything you dont like, you experience it as a personal attack on yourself, and then you get nasty. Fact is, I dont even know you.
Come on, why dont you launch an opinion on one of these stories, instead of just responding to other people's comments, or are you afraid that someone might not agree with you or oppose you.
It's got nothing to do with integrity, man. It's just a bit of humour...
And you've certainly provided us with a bit of humour Willie. Maybe more than you intended too...
fuzzbucket

Wynberg, South Africa

#28 Oct 20, 2006
Point is, JPM's having fun - and that's part of what makes a winner, when he's having fun. He'll do well in NASCAR...far better than he did in F1 (and he did mighty well in F1)
Larry

Catskill, NY

#29 Oct 20, 2006
Willie wrote:
<quoted text>
No thanks Larry. I shall rather steer well clear of you. You see, these forum's are put in place for people to offer their opinions, but more importantly, for people to have fun. Problem with guys like you is that if someone takes a dig at anything you dont like, you experience it as a personal attack on yourself, and then you get nasty. Fact is, I dont even know you.
Come on, why dont you launch an opinion on one of these stories, instead of just responding to other people's comments, or are you afraid that someone might not agree with you or oppose you.
It's got nothing to do with integrity, man. It's just a bit of humour...
Willie, I apologize! Obviously I overestimated your reading comprehension skills. Not one of your better school subjects, I would guess. I'll type this real slow so you can keep up! If you reread my posts you'll see that I have expressed opinions, I have made a few stabs at humor, & I have stated numerous times that what anybody else cares to watch is their business. I made that offer because I was pretty sure you wouldn't take me up on it, although I hoped you would grow a little backbone and want to offer an INFORMED opinion. Afraid somebody might disagree with you when you give it your best shot, instead of a cheap shot. Or is that your best shot? Anyway, you proved my point.
Willie

South Africa

#30 Oct 20, 2006
Larry wrote:
<quoted text>
Willie, I apologize! Obviously I overestimated your reading comprehension skills. Not one of your better school subjects, I would guess. I'll type this real slow so you can keep up! If you reread my posts you'll see that I have expressed opinions, I have made a few stabs at humor, & I have stated numerous times that what anybody else cares to watch is their business. I made that offer because I was pretty sure you wouldn't take me up on it, although I hoped you would grow a little backbone and want to offer an INFORMED opinion. Afraid somebody might disagree with you when you give it your best shot, instead of a cheap shot. Or is that your best shot? Anyway, you proved my point.
And I apologize as well - for my "overestimated reading comprehension skills", Sorry, as you said; "its not one of my better school subjects". And thank you for writing so slow Larry as you know that "I have a bit of a problem keeping up with you". I will try my best to "grow a bit of backbone so that I can offer an INFORMED opinion". Woe to poor little old me.
May I attempt to offer a informed FACT that might reach your high standards. This forum is about Nascar, Alonso and whatever else that is related to motor racing. Its not about you or me.
Personal and degrading statements like yours about fellow commenters on this and other forums can stop other people to enter into a debate without feeling threatened.
I might be a bit stupid but I know this; sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
Larry

Catskill, NY

#31 Oct 20, 2006
Willie wrote:
<quoted text>
And I apologize as well - for my "overestimated reading comprehension skills", Sorry, as you said; "its not one of my better school subjects". And thank you for writing so slow Larry as you know that "I have a bit of a problem keeping up with you". I will try my best to "grow a bit of backbone so that I can offer an INFORMED opinion". Woe to poor little old me.
May I attempt to offer a informed FACT that might reach your high standards. This forum is about Nascar, Alonso and whatever else that is related to motor racing. Its not about you or me.
Personal and degrading statements like yours about fellow commenters on this and other forums can stop other people to enter into a debate without feeling threatened.
I might be a bit stupid but I know this; sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
You feel threatened by postings in Cyberspace? Interesting. Tell you what. Let's call a truce. I like to be friends with people. Put your questions & honest, informed opinions out there for us to read. I'll be glad to respond in an appropriate manner if I know the answer or my opinion varies. My offer to send you NASCAR races still stands. I'll do what I can to send them to anybody interested in learning more about NASCAR or in following JPM. If all you are interested in is insulting people you don't even know and their racing intersets, I'll be back on your case again. Your call. What's it going to be?
Brad

Livonia, MI

#32 Oct 20, 2006
Willie wrote:
<quoted text>
And I apologize as well - for my "overestimated reading comprehension skills", Sorry, as you said; "its not one of my better school subjects". And thank you for writing so slow Larry as you know that "I have a bit of a problem keeping up with you". I will try my best to "grow a bit of backbone so that I can offer an INFORMED opinion". Woe to poor little old me.
May I attempt to offer a informed FACT that might reach your high standards. This forum is about Nascar, Alonso and whatever else that is related to motor racing. Its not about you or me.
Personal and degrading statements like yours about fellow commenters on this and other forums can stop other people to enter into a debate without feeling threatened.
I might be a bit stupid but I know this; sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
"Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit"?!!!! What is the highest form of wit?"
"Personal and degrading statements like yours can stop other people to enter into a debate"?
Are you being sarcastic? You can't possibly be serious...can you?
Larry

Catskill, NY

#33 Oct 20, 2006
Brad wrote:
<quoted text>
"Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit"?!!!! What is the highest form of wit?"
"Personal and degrading statements like yours can stop other people to enter into a debate"?
Are you being sarcastic? You can't possibly be serious...can you?
Let's give him a chance to reply,Brad. If he wants to contribute something worthwhile to the forum, then we can all play nice. If not, then it's business as usual.
Brad

Livonia, MI

#34 Oct 20, 2006
Larry wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's give him a chance to reply,Brad. If he wants to contribute something worthwhile to the forum, then we can all play nice. If not, then it's business as usual.
You're right Larry. I don't want anyone in this forum feeling threatened by my sarcastic comments.
Willie

South Africa

#35 Oct 21, 2006
Brad wrote:
<quoted text>
"Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit"?!!!! What is the highest form of wit?"
"Personal and degrading statements like yours can stop other people to enter into a debate"?
Are you being sarcastic? You can't possibly be serious...can you?
I made mention to Stratocaster of the fact that I live in Africa and obviously don't enjoy the high level of motor racing that the Europeans do. That's not the only problem we have here. It's also terribly difficult to convince people from other continents that Lions and Elephant's don't roam freely in our cities. In addition to that we dont live in caves and we dont wear loin cloths. We also know what Coca Cola is.
Larry put his foot in it and tried to embarass me by offering to send me a dvd of a Nascar race - because
he "assumed" that because of where I live I have never seen a Nascar race on TV. How generous of him. What he doesn't seem to comprehend is that if I have the means to comment on this network then I should have access to the Internet - as he does. So, I can get all the information and stats that he or anybody else can. Unlike the Flintstones we have satellite TV as well, albeit with less coverage than in the US, but definately more than anybody in any country can hope to have.
If I wanted to respond to his "offer" on the same terms as his, I could have said; "Larry old boy, I know everything about F1. You don't sound as if you've ever been to a F1 race. I want to send you a dvd of a F1 race. If you have "integrity" then you will accept my offer"... Thats not a offer or a challenge. Thats just being plain stupid.
You ask if I'm serious about other people not entering the debate? You bet, just roll back and count how many people are interested in this little offended circle.
Willie

South Africa

#36 Oct 21, 2006
Larry wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's give him a chance to reply,Brad. If he wants to contribute something worthwhile to the forum, then we can all play nice. If not, then it's business as usual.
Business as Usual? What's your buzz, Larry.
There's two new articles posted on this topix network; "Move over Schumacher, here comes Schumacher". and the other one is; "Nascar sees changing days".
No one has posted a comment on any one of the two yet. What are you, Larry, a pionering innovator or a lipflapping consumer? Can you actually read a article and then be the first person to raise your opinion regarding it or do you always wait for others to take the lead so that you can jump on them with your nasty little remarks. Like a parasite that can't catch anything, but goes for the spoils of the leaders. I'm challenging you, buddy, roll right back to the articles, read them and make a comment. Don't be scared.
There will be people that is going to disagree with you, but that doesn't matter. It's only opinions. Besides, it's fun. Some people might become rude and abusive to you personally, but there will always be sidekicks like Brad to hold your hand in times of trouble and to help you work through the painful pangs of rejection.
Go Larry, do it. If you sit there and there's just nothing, you dont know what to write, please call your mother or your girlfriend to help you, but offer your opinion. Show us what you can do. I'm gonna watch those "comment" logo's with great anticipation.
Don't let us down now.
Brad

Livonia, MI

#37 Oct 21, 2006
Willie wrote:
<quoted text>
I made mention to Stratocaster of the fact that I live in Africa and obviously don't enjoy the high level of motor racing that the Europeans do. That's not the only problem we have here. It's also terribly difficult to convince people from other continents that Lions and Elephant's don't roam freely in our cities. In addition to that we dont live in caves and we dont wear loin cloths. We also know what Coca Cola is.
Larry put his foot in it and tried to embarass me by offering to send me a dvd of a Nascar race - because
he "assumed" that because of where I live I have never seen a Nascar race on TV. How generous of him. What he doesn't seem to comprehend is that if I have the means to comment on this network then I should have access to the Internet - as he does. So, I can get all the information and stats that he or anybody else can. Unlike the Flintstones we have satellite TV as well, albeit with less coverage than in the US, but definately more than anybody in any country can hope to have.
If I wanted to respond to his "offer" on the same terms as his, I could have said; "Larry old boy, I know everything about F1. You don't sound as if you've ever been to a F1 race. I want to send you a dvd of a F1 race. If you have "integrity" then you will accept my offer"... Thats not a offer or a challenge. Thats just being plain stupid.
You ask if I'm serious about other people not entering the debate? You bet, just roll back and count how many people are interested in this little offended circle.
"how many people are interested "in entering the debate? Willie I don't think people are staying out of the debate by sarcastic comments. They are staying out because the forum topic is absurdly irrelevant: "Montoya crashes Early,Finishes 24th". Come on Willie, who really has a strong opinion about how Montoya did in an ARCA race in Iowa. The only reason I responded at all was because you completely misunderstood what had happened and what JPM said afterward.
And what all this feeling sorry for yourself horseshit: "it's hard getting people to understand that lions and elephants don't roam free in my country" and "we're not like the Flintstones" ? Who said that? You were the one whining about lack of racing in your country and your comments about Montoya and NASCAR seem to back up this claim.
Brad

Livonia, MI

#38 Oct 21, 2006
Willie wrote:
<quoted text>
Business as Usual? What's your buzz, Larry.
There's two new articles posted on this topix network; "Move over Schumacher, here comes Schumacher". and the other one is; "Nascar sees changing days".
No one has posted a comment on any one of the two yet. What are you, Larry, a pionering innovator or a lipflapping consumer? Can you actually read a article and then be the first person to raise your opinion regarding it or do you always wait for others to take the lead so that you can jump on them with your nasty little remarks. Like a parasite that can't catch anything, but goes for the spoils of the leaders. I'm challenging you, buddy, roll right back to the articles, read them and make a comment. Don't be scared.
There will be people that is going to disagree with you, but that doesn't matter. It's only opinions. Besides, it's fun. Some people might become rude and abusive to you personally, but there will always be sidekicks like Brad to hold your hand in times of trouble and to help you work through the painful pangs of rejection.
Go Larry, do it. If you sit there and there's just nothing, you dont know what to write, please call your mother or your girlfriend to help you, but offer your opinion. Show us what you can do. I'm gonna watch those "comment" logo's with great anticipation.
Don't let us down now.
I'm Larry's sidekick?!!! Well I think a good sidekick should let the frontman (Larry) throw the first blow but I don't think I can wait.
Do you really think that you are somehow more courageous for being the first to voice an opinion on an internet forum? Let me rephrase that: do you think that posting on these little forums have anything to do with courage or that there is anything to be scared about? You keep saying "are you scared" and "don't be sarcastic you'll make people scared to enter the debate." Willie I think it's time you push yourself away from the computer and go outside and look at the lions and the elephants that are roaming around your country. You're taking things in these forums way too seriously.
Larry

Freehold, NY

#39 Oct 21, 2006
Willie wrote:
<quoted text>
Business as Usual? What's your buzz, Larry.
There's two new articles posted on this topix network; "Move over Schumacher, here comes Schumacher". and the other one is; "Nascar sees changing days".
No one has posted a comment on any one of the two yet. What are you, Larry, a pionering innovator or a lipflapping consumer? Can you actually read a article and then be the first person to raise your opinion regarding it or do you always wait for others to take the lead so that you can jump on them with your nasty little remarks. Like a parasite that can't catch anything, but goes for the spoils of the leaders. I'm challenging you, buddy, roll right back to the articles, read them and make a comment. Don't be scared.
There will be people that is going to disagree with you, but that doesn't matter. It's only opinions. Besides, it's fun. Some people might become rude and abusive to you personally, but there will always be sidekicks like Brad to hold your hand in times of trouble and to help you work through the painful pangs of rejection.
Go Larry, do it. If you sit there and there's just nothing, you dont know what to write, please call your mother or your girlfriend to help you, but offer your opinion. Show us what you can do. I'm gonna watch those "comment" logo's with great anticipation.
Don't let us down now.
Gee Willie, you sure get worked up when somebody challanges you. You're right, this thread isn't about racing anymore. But it's so much fun making you foam at the mouth that I just can't help myself. I want to see just how incoherent you can become. Apparently, anyone that challanges your opinions is everything from a terrorist to an un-informed simpleton. Oh, about those lions & elephants. Of course they don't roam the city where you live. You feel threatened by internet postings. A real live lion or elephant would have you hiding in one of those caves you mentioned & we wouldn't be having this discussion. By the way, have you discussed this fear with your parents? Perhaps a nightlight would help.
Willie

South Africa

#40 Oct 21, 2006
Larry wrote:
<quoted text>
Gee Willie, you sure get worked up when somebody challanges you. You're right, this thread isn't about racing anymore. But it's so much fun making you foam at the mouth that I just can't help myself. I want to see just how incoherent you can become. Apparently, anyone that challanges your opinions is everything from a terrorist to an un-informed simpleton. Oh, about those lions & elephants. Of course they don't roam the city where you live. You feel threatened by internet postings. A real live lion or elephant would have you hiding in one of those caves you mentioned & we wouldn't be having this discussion. By the way, have you discussed this fear with your parents? Perhaps a nightlight would help.
Larry, if your mother and girlfriend can't help, get together with your bell-boy, Brad. You two seem so much alike that something worth reading might just come out of it.
He's even answering your letters now.

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