Four ideas for Robert Yates

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With Dale Jarrett already signed with Toyota and Elliott Sadler as much as out the door already to Evernham , Robert Yates is left empty-handed. Not exactly the position he expected to be in at this point of ... Full Story
JTF 88

Frankfort, KY

#1 Aug 8, 2006
Well, I for one think Robert Yates should have treated Ricky Rudd with more respect when he drove the 28 car, and he probably would still be there today and he wouldn't be empty handed!
RuddFatback

Chesapeake, VA

#2 Aug 23, 2006
How right you are!!!!! Rudd helped both of his teams in the top 10 and top 5 in points his 3 years there and Robert Yates was SOOOOO stupid is screwing him over. now look at RYR. nothin
JTF 88 wrote:
Well, I for one think Robert Yates should have treated Ricky Rudd with more respect when he drove the 28 car, and he probably would still be there today and he wouldn't be empty handed!
american2139

Casper, WY

#3 Sep 6, 2006
Robert Yates, is looking pretty bad. Going from the top to very bottom and nobody ever wants to stay...
Apparently Robert could give a damm or not if his team keeps going... Believ I know one sponsor who want be back for Yates UPS... The rumor is they pay more then any other sponsor in Nextel Cup...
I agree if Robert would of treated Rick Rudd better he may have had a championship with the 28...And still have a great driver in Ricky Rudd....
Tom

Brooklyn, NY

#4 Sep 6, 2006
american2139 wrote:
Robert Yates, is looking pretty bad. Going from the top to very bottom and nobody ever wants to stay...
Apparently Robert could give a damm or not if his team keeps going... Believ I know one sponsor who want be back for Yates UPS... The rumor is they pay more then any other sponsor in Nextel Cup...
I agree if Robert would of treated Rick Rudd better he may have had a championship with the 28...And still have a great driver in Ricky Rudd....
Good point, his team is nearly overwith, loosing Dale Jarrett, UPS, and my favorite, Elliott Sadler. I am very surprised M&M's stuck with them.
RuddFatback

Chesapeake, VA

#5 Sep 13, 2006
Thats right!!
american2139 wrote:
Robert Yates, is looking pretty bad. Going from the top to very bottom and nobody ever wants to stay...
Apparently Robert could give a damm or not if his team keeps going... Believ I know one sponsor who want be back for Yates UPS... The rumor is they pay more then any other sponsor in Nextel Cup...
I agree if Robert would of treated Rick Rudd better he may have had a championship with the 28...And still have a great driver in Ricky Rudd....
RuddFatback

Chesapeake, VA

#6 Sep 13, 2006
And if Robert Yates thinks Ricky will come back and drive for him at all after the way he treated Ricky, Hes not very smart!!
Sadler38lvr - IL

AOL

#7 Oct 7, 2006
Tom wrote:
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Good point, his team is nearly overwith, loosing Dale Jarrett, UPS, and my favorite, Elliott Sadler. I am very surprised M&M's stuck with them.
Elliott said that he told M&M's to stick with Yates. I bet he felt bad because he & DJ were leaving (and UPS was also leaving). I wonder how much UPS lost money wise to get out of their contract to be able to go with DJ. I think M&M's had more time left on their contract & that's why they stayed. They have been with Yates for a long time, but........who's the one that gave them their first non points win & points win?????? Elliott Sadler!!! I wish to god they would go with Elliott after 2008. From what I understand, I think Dodge wants to be the main sponser for the 9 & 19 which is stupid. Elliott is and always will be "The Candyman". Gilliland does not belong in that 38 car. I don't like him, but that's just my opinion. Let's keep our fingers crossed that someday in the near future, M&M's will follow Elliott! By the way, from what Mrs. Sadler told us, CitiFinancial will be an associate sponser of Elliotts next year. It sucks that Elliott can't have Coke either.
susan

Olympia, WA

#8 Oct 7, 2006
Sadler38lvr - IL wrote:
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Elliott said that he told M&M's to stick with Yates. I bet he felt bad because he & DJ were leaving (and UPS was also leaving). I wonder how much UPS lost money wise to get out of their contract to be able to go with DJ. I think M&M's had more time left on their contract & that's why they stayed. They have been with Yates for a long time, but........who's the one that gave them their first non points win & points win?????? Elliott Sadler!!! I wish to god they would go with Elliott after 2008. From what I understand, I think Dodge wants to be the main sponser for the 9 & 19 which is stupid. Elliott is and always will be "The Candyman". Gilliland does not belong in that 38 car. I don't like him, but that's just my opinion. Let's keep our fingers crossed that someday in the near future, M&M's will follow Elliott! By the way, from what Mrs. Sadler told us, CitiFinancial will be an associate sponser of Elliotts next year. It sucks that Elliott can't have Coke either.
elliott still reps tylonal and coke..just in smaller print...not like uaw dodge, and the other sponser...
markl5

United States

#10 Oct 7, 2006
Ok, here's the deal...

Yates, though one of the top teams has more personnel turnaround than most other top teams.

That is a problem.

Childress has turned it around because he has invested more in the people who build and crew his cars. That is the key to the Hendrick and Gibbs, and Roush organizations and that is going to be the key to if Yates gets back to the top.

Good machinery is found in abundance at Yates, Hendrick, RCR, Evernham, MB2, Roush, you name it. The difference in Nextel Cup is PEOPLE. Chemistry is the key ingredient in winning races and championships. Teams with great personnel turnover, get the least results. Like the New York Yankees, pay they players, Hendrick and Gibbs pay their crews. Their crew members don't leave, build their chemistry, learn from the best and keep producing great racecars, and great seasons.

Look at it like this...

Steinbrenner does not need the money that the Yankees make to live on. Rick Hendrick does not need the money his teams make to live on either. He, like Steinbrenner knows when you spend top dollar for the best people, the results will speak for you.

The best people get the best results.
markl5

United States

#11 Oct 7, 2006
Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot to add. Drivers leave when they see personnel trends. When drivers see that the team at the end of the season has several people that did not start the season, they see no continuity and the results fall off.

That is why guys like Sadler opt out of their situations when it seems like all is the same.
Sadler38lvr - IL

AOL

#12 Oct 7, 2006
susan wrote:
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elliott still reps tylonal and coke..just in smaller print...not like uaw dodge, and the other sponser...
From what Elliott's mom told us, he is still obligated to his current sponsers until the end of the year. Then, he will start fulfilling his new duties to his new sponsers for Dodge, Stanley Tools, Siemens, etc....Gosh, what kind of stuff can I collect with those sponsers???
Theo

Salt Lake City, UT

#13 Oct 7, 2006
RCR DEI Fan wrote:
I was hoping that M&M's would have gone with Sadler as well, but i heard the same that he had asked that they stay with RYR. I think the problem with Yates is he didnt plan for the future, i mean, where were his developmental drivers? Did he think that Sadler and Jarrett would stay with him forever! They're not Jeff Gordon or Mark Martin! He should have known Jarrett would be contemplating retirement in the near future! Both DJ and Sadler have said that Yates got behind on his engineering development and Yates said he was too busy focusing on sponsorship happiness and keeping them with his team, and in doin so lost focus of why he is where he is, because of racing and making the race cars better than his competitors! But he must of not been too focused on keeping sponsors happy because UPS left and he cant find one for the 88 car, nor a driver, even with a damn good one available with Ward Burton! And i think David Gilliland is the biggest dumbass in racing(well, right behind Jeff Gordon haha)!I think he's an idiot to pass up RCR for RYR, i know that it wasnt a full time Cup ride at RCR, but i guarantee he would have won a Busch championship and been in the fourth RCR car that Richard Childress is wanting to start in 2008, but if Yates dont get his crap together, which looks like to be a very high uphill battle, then Gilliland has just ruined his career before it even started. Plus in the RCR deal, he would have been running a limited number of Cup races too.
Where was it posted that ES asked M&M's to stay with Robert? Just curious. I thought it was a long term deal they had with RYR. Didn't it start with Ernie Irvin?

(Before I continue, I agree with all your comments - just want to ask questions and get more information!)

Is it true that the reason Ward Burton was "overlooked" for the 88 is that the "new" and interested sponsors wanted a "younger" driver?

David Gilliand got the pole today and he has won 1 Busch race. DumbA__ is okay but don't you really think he is just a one hit wonder? Won a race, got a pole, big deal. He's also got a family to support - that might play into the deal why he made the decisions he made.

And, you (and probably a few million other people agree) that David G.will never be the Candyman. I agree. Kenny Wallace said it best: Don't tell me what you're gonna do - tell me what you did. DG just doesn't have the fan base to "fill in the shoes". Seat filler.

What are your thoughts on M&M's actually seeking out ES after their term is up with Yates? Do you think that ES would buy into it much less Evernham and Dodge?

Think the next few weeks are going to be very interesting. Where was Robert & Doug yeates when their new star got the pole today? Mmmmm.......
Theo

Salt Lake City, UT

#14 Oct 7, 2006
Sadler38lvr - IL wrote:
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From what Elliott's mom told us, he is still obligated to his current sponsers until the end of the year. Then, he will start fulfilling his new duties to his new sponsers for Dodge, Stanley Tools, Siemens, etc....Gosh, what kind of stuff can I collect with those sponsers???
We ain't gonna get no M&M's. Stanley tools are okay but I already have enough of them.
markl5

United States

#15 Oct 7, 2006
Excuse me, but a good driver on a sub par team is a sub par driver. It makes no difference who Yates puts in the car if the rest of the team is not as good as the teams that everybody else is putting in the Chase.

Get it yet?

Nothing happened to Ward Burton. Ward Burton was just as good a driver as he was when he won the Southern 500 and the Daytona 500. Bill Davis Racing just got bad and did not put good cars under him.

Ricky Rudd is probably still a very good driver, but the Wood Bros. went south before Elliot Sadler left. Again, Elliott saw the writing on the wall and got out while the getting was good.

Some drivers are satisfied to have a job, some are never satisfied unless they see the team is doing the right things to make them a winner. Sadler has just shown you for the second time in less than a handfull of years that he wants to win, and that no team and no sponsor is more important than that.

This is a performance-based industry we are talking about. Sponsors are along for the ride. Most of them don't really care about winning as long as their car is seen by enough people on Sunday. Owners have to care enough to keep the best people in house. If you want to win in Cup, you have to get and KEEP the best people to give your driver, and sponsor a chance to win.
Sadler38lvr - IL

AOL

#17 Oct 9, 2006
Theo wrote:
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Where was it posted that ES asked M&M's to stay with Robert? Just curious. I thought it was a long term deal they had with RYR. Didn't it start with Ernie Irvin?
(Before I continue, I agree with all your comments - just want to ask questions and get more information!)
Is it true that the reason Ward Burton was "overlooked" for the 88 is that the "new" and interested sponsors wanted a "younger" driver?
David Gilliand got the pole today and he has won 1 Busch race. DumbA__ is okay but don't you really think he is just a one hit wonder? Won a race, got a pole, big deal. He's also got a family to support - that might play into the deal why he made the decisions he made.
And, you (and probably a few million other people agree) that David G.will never be the Candyman. I agree. Kenny Wallace said it best: Don't tell me what you're gonna do - tell me what you did. DG just doesn't have the fan base to "fill in the shoes". Seat filler.
What are your thoughts on M&M's actually seeking out ES after their term is up with Yates? Do you think that ES would buy into it much less Evernham and Dodge?
Think the next few weeks are going to be very interesting. Where was Robert & Doug yeates when their new star got the pole today? Mmmmm.......
I get "google alerts" on my email, so anything that relate to Elliott, I get a copy of it. I would die & go to heaven if they followed Elliott after the contract is up. So.....right now I am packing (storing) my M&M stuff just in case.

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