Yellow line is always out of bounds

The speech hasn't changed in the seven years since NASCAR first delivered it during a 2001 driver's meeting at Daytona. Full Story
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Mary

Manquin, VA

#1 Oct 7, 2008
Ok! 3 questions?

First, why do we keep seeing articles about the Stewart/Smith controversial finish at Talladega for the umpteenth time?

Secnond, why must almost every controversial yellow line ruling involve either Tony Stewart or Johnny Benson?

Finally, can we please lay off this for good now!?

Sigh...

“Smoke Fan Forever!!!”

Since: Sep 07

Look to the Western Sky!!!!

#2 Oct 7, 2008
HEHE!

Nascar posted an official statement on it. Kind of made the rule clear.
Junior Nation

United States

#3 Oct 7, 2008
Only problem is they state "as we go forward, there will be no passing under the yellow line". Obvious, they made this change after the race not before the race.

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Since the end of the race there has been some confusion as to what is allowable during the last lap at Daytona and Talladega. To be clear, as we go forward, there will be no passing under the yellow line at any time during NASCAR races at Daytona or Talladega, period. This includes any passing below the yellow line near the start/finish line on the final lap."
GO FASTER I HEAR BANJOS

Cookeville, TN

#4 Oct 7, 2008
People keep bringing this up and for what reason? It's over and done with, Tony won and Smith didn't, regardless of how much he cried. NASCAR made the statement and that's the end of it. Let it go. It's not going to change the results of the race.
Voice of Reality

Petersburg, VA

#5 Oct 7, 2008
NAPCAR is so full of crap, Johnny Benson improved his position two years ago in the truck race and NAPCAR stated he was forced down and if the checkered flag was in sight you COULD keep going. Now NAPCAR does another 180 and does with Reagan what it would not do with Benson, NAPCAR, much like Va. weather, if you do not like it, hang around and it will change.

“IN GOD WE TRUST”

Since: Jun 07

Raleigh

#6 Oct 7, 2008
A couple of years ago one of the prominent NASCAR officials made the statement "on the last lap and you can see the finish line, anything goes". He wasn't talking about going below the yellow line. He was talking about bumping another car out of the way or something of this nature. He was talking about blocking the car behind you. Anybody left with a doubt in his mind about the yellow line rule now, is too stupid to drive a Cup car.
Voice of Reality

Petersburg, VA

#7 Oct 7, 2008
Whoyakidding wrote:
A couple of years ago one of the prominent NASCAR officials made the statement "on the last lap and you can see the finish line, anything goes". He wasn't talking about going below the yellow line. He was talking about bumping another car out of the way or something of this nature. He was talking about blocking the car behind you. Anybody left with a doubt in his mind about the yellow line rule now, is too stupid to drive a Cup car.
What official and then please explain the Johnny Benson finish in the truck race a couple of years ago.
Nascartoon

Detroit, MI

#9 Oct 7, 2008
Junior Nation wrote:
Only problem is they state "as we go forward, there will be no passing under the yellow line". Obvious, they made this change after the race not before the race.
Quote:
Since the end of the race there has been some confusion as to what is allowable during the last lap at Daytona and Talladega. To be clear, as we go forward, there will be no passing under the yellow line at any time during NASCAR races at Daytona or Talladega, period. This includes any passing below the yellow line near the start/finish line on the final lap."
Also, this is what was apparently told and handed out to drivers before the Taladega race. Helton also said drivers were given clear instruction in Sunday’s pre-race drivers’ meeting, saying the rule was given to the drivers as follows:

"This is your warning: race above the yellow line. If, in NASCAR's judgment, you go below the yellow line to improve your position, you will be black-flagged. If in NASCAR's judgment you force someone below the yellow line (in an effort to stop him from passing you), you may be black-flagged.”
Like I've said in other posts. There's zero doubt in my mind that Tony blocked him below the yellow line and should therefore have been penalized.

“Smoke Fan Forever!!!”

Since: Sep 07

Look to the Western Sky!!!!

#10 Oct 7, 2008
Voice of Reality wrote:
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What official and then please explain the Johnny Benson finish in the truck race a couple of years ago.
It's a truck race. Like one article said, to make the assumption that if it goes in the truck series it goes in the cup series is down right stupid. The rules are not the same for all three series.

“Smoke Fan Forever!!!”

Since: Sep 07

Look to the Western Sky!!!!

#11 Oct 7, 2008
Nascartoon wrote:
<quoted text>Also, this is what was apparently told and handed out to drivers before the Taladega race. Helton also said drivers were given clear instruction in Sunday’s pre-race drivers’ meeting, saying the rule was given to the drivers as follows:
"This is your warning: race above the yellow line. If, in NASCAR's judgment, you go below the yellow line to improve your position, you will be black-flagged. If in NASCAR's judgment you force someone below the yellow line (in an effort to stop him from passing you), you may be black-flagged.”
Like I've said in other posts. There's zero doubt in my mind that Tony blocked him below the yellow line and should therefore have been penalized.
We really should check the video on that and see if Smith was already two wheels below the yellow line when blocked. If that is the case then the pass was illegal anyways even if forced to put all four wheels below the yellow.

Note that never once did Tony go below that line through the whole finish of that race, even though Smith was below the line.

Since: Jan 07

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#12 Oct 7, 2008
Junior Nation wrote:
Only problem is they state "as we go forward, there will be no passing under the yellow line". Obvious, they made this change after the race not before the race.
Quote:
Since the end of the race there has been some confusion as to what is allowable during the last lap at Daytona and Talladega. To be clear, as we go forward, there will be no passing under the yellow line at any time during NASCAR races at Daytona or Talladega, period. This includes any passing below the yellow line near the start/finish line on the final lap."
I don't believe they made any change after the race. They just had to issue a clarification cause some people couldn't understand the rule as explained in the drivers meeting.

Seems like 42 other drivers got it though and only was was penalized....
mrox760

Houston, TX

#14 Oct 7, 2008
if Smoke fans believed it wasn't illegal then why apend so much time defending it...its the hand in the cookie jar

Since: Aug 08

Sanford, NC

#15 Oct 7, 2008
Nascartoon wrote:
<quoted text>Also, this is what was apparently told and handed out to drivers before the Taladega race. Helton also said drivers were given clear instruction in Sunday’s pre-race drivers’ meeting, saying the rule was given to the drivers as follows:
"This is your warning: race above the yellow line. If, in NASCAR's judgment, you go below the yellow line to improve your position, you will be black-flagged. If in NASCAR's judgment you force someone below the yellow line (in an effort to stop him from passing you), you may be black-flagged.”
Like I've said in other posts. There's zero doubt in my mind that Tony blocked him below the yellow line and should therefore have been penalized.
So, what position to you hold in Nascar? The rule clearly states "If in Nascar's judgement". Since Nascar ruled that in their judgement he wasn't forced down below the line why do you think he should be penalized? Plus, note the wording says "may" be black flagged. That means that they don't always intend to penalize a driver for blocking. On the other hand, the wording for the passing under the yellow says "will be". That wording isn't accidental. The intent is to let drivers know that they can not be below the yellow line and advance their position. Regardless of what rumors might be out there Regan should have known that what he was doing was not legal.

The sad thing is that had Regan made a good move on the high side he likely would have won. He made a rookie mistake and went low where there wasn't much room to pass. Anyone who's watched Nascar for very long knew that Tony would protect the bottom. Tony
Teacher20Fan

United States

#16 Oct 7, 2008
Junior Nation wrote:
Obvious, they made this change after the race not before the race.
Read this from Helton Defends Yellow Line Rule from February 19, 2002

http://www.nascar.com/2002/news/headlines/wc/...

The gist is Helton's comments:

Helton, who met with the media Monday morning said that wasn’t the case.

“The intent of the yellow line rule is to prevent drivers from driving beneath the line to improve their position,” Helton said.“No part of that intent says that you cannot cross the yellow line to avoid an accident, provided you don’t make an attempt to better yourself in the process.”
Teacher20Fan

United States

#17 Oct 7, 2008
Forgot to post this part from the same interview!

Helton said NASCAR had no intention of rescinding the rule, which was instituted in 2001 to prevent cars from driving beneath the boundary line at Daytona and Talladega Superspeedway to improve their position, at the same time increasing the likelihood of accidents.

“Smoke Fan Forever!!!”

Since: Sep 07

Look to the Western Sky!!!!

#18 Oct 7, 2008
mrox760 wrote:
if Smoke fans believed it wasn't illegal then why apend so much time defending it...its the hand in the cookie jar
Because the idiots come out in droves trying to downplay his victory because they've got nothing better to do than cry about how a rookie made a rookie mistake.

*tear*

If it were Jr people would be defending him also.
Nascartoon

Detroit, MI

#19 Oct 7, 2008
team-shr wrote:
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So, what position to you hold in Nascar? The rule clearly states "If in Nascar's judgement". Since Nascar ruled that in their judgement he wasn't forced down below the line why do you think he should be penalized? Plus, note the wording says "may" be black flagged. That means that they don't always intend to penalize a driver for blocking. On the other hand, the wording for the passing under the yellow says "will be". That wording isn't accidental. The intent is to let drivers know that they can not be below the yellow line and advance their position. Regardless of what rumors might be out there Regan should have known that what he was doing was not legal.
The sad thing is that had Regan made a good move on the high side he likely would have won. He made a rookie mistake and went low where there wasn't much room to pass. Anyone who's watched Nascar for very long knew that Tony would protect the bottom. Tony
Your certainly entitled to your opinion and I can respect your take on the incident. I however don't have to agree with any judgment you made or Nascar. In my judgment Regan had no choice but to wreck or drive down there. As for him passing high, I must disagree with that also. I believe Tony was doing everything he could to block him and going high would have been a very risky move. He could have found himself very easily in the wall.
mad hatter

Houston, TX

#20 Oct 7, 2008
Nascar declared Smoke the winner now stop posting these stories it's over with. GAWD!!!
Voice of Reality

Petersburg, VA

#21 Oct 7, 2008
14_Patti_18 wrote:
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It's a truck race. Like one article said, to make the assumption that if it goes in the truck series it goes in the cup series is down right stupid. The rules are not the same for all three series.
They are both NAPCAR divisions run on a NAPCAR track at similar speeds. NAPCAR is famous for allowing for different ways to determine on rules depending on the day, who is involved and what official is doing the job.
GETALIFE

Albuquerque, NM

#22 Oct 8, 2008
Voice of Reality wrote:
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They are both NAPCAR divisions run on a NAPCAR track at similar speeds. NAPCAR is famous for allowing for different ways to determine on rules depending on the day, who is involved and what official is doing the job.
News flash fool. Truck, Series, and Cup are all NASCAR but all three have different rules. Similar but different. If they were all the same they would all be on the track at the same time!!! Not to mention the fact that each of the tracks have some rules in place that other tracks do not. The only thing you said that was a true statement was "similar speeds".

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