Stewart slides by for 1st 'Dega win

Stewart slides by for 1st 'Dega win

There are 51 comments on the The Morning Call story from Oct 6, 2008, titled Stewart slides by for 1st 'Dega win. In it, The Morning Call reports that:

Tony Stewart was the first driver convicted of dipping below NASCAR's out-of-bounds line, learning a valuable lesson in 2001 at Daytona that he's carried with him the last seven years.

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SARACUDA

Decatur, GA

#21 Oct 6, 2008
I will give it to JR cause he said that carl and jimmie who always rides in the back cheat the fans who pay to see em all race up front and says they should be told not to and he said JJ is pissed at him but OH WELL!!!!!!!!!! ROFLMAO

“"drive for five in'10"”

Since: Jan 07

Your the Man!

#22 Oct 6, 2008
anderson 24 wrote:
<quoted text>right ' jimmy gets it done from the back'' middle an in the back .
hes that good /.
yesterday showed how good he is by looking at the big picture.
Oh yeal. Jimmie has a good point lead and he'll get the big "3". I do wish Tony luck with his new team next year tho.
David

Charlotte, NC

#23 Oct 6, 2008
Debi Does wrote:
<quoted text>Bob, how can a car infront of you force you below the yellow line when the entire righthand side of the car in front is open?? see, Regan is a rookie so he doesn't know yet that you need to have an actual lane of racing to race in... you can't go onto the fence when up high, why should you be able to go out of bounds, below the yellow line to pass for the lead? there is a reason why they say at all restrictor plate tracks that you can not better your position by falling below the yellow line..it is a shame that Regan and some media are ruining this win for Tony.. I am glad that he doesn't care!!! cuz he knows the rules... he knew when going over the finish line that Regan was below the yellow line and hence out of bounds..
Very simple. Regan had the momentum as he was passing. Regan had 3 options. 1) Slam on the brakes and cause another big accident. I'm glad he did not chose that one. 2) Just continue his forward momentum and knock Tony out of the way, the way I preferred he would have done it, lol. And number 3) Do exactly what he did.

Now I'm not saying Regan should have won. But he should have got his 2nd place finish. I feel Nascar felt since he didn't do the other 2 options and cause a huge wreck to bolster ratings he was penalized. Safety FIRST. Good racing SECOND. NOT the other way around.

Also, THINK people. Not about the WORODS of the rule. But the REASON the rule way put in. That's how it should be inforced, by the REASON it was put in, for safety concerns. NOT for whatever, whoever, and however it CAN be manipulated to benifit certain individuals.
David

Charlotte, NC

#24 Oct 6, 2008
CatRod53 wrote:
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I didn't know Regan read this forum - but I do know you pitifully underestimate Tony's driving ability.
And his wrecking ability, which this would have caused.
CatRod53

Fort Wayne, IN

#25 Oct 6, 2008
menards wrote:
"pitifully underestimate"
How many times have YOU seen drivers wreck horrifically trying to block at daytona/talladega? I say give NASCAR what they want.....
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While I'm sure Nascar would rather have seen Tony wreck than win, I don't think Tony was willing to risk a horrific wreck, or the win, yesterday.

On the other hand, how many times have you seen cars that should have hit the wall or other cars, but didn't? It's not luck every time - you have to give some credit to the driver's ability.
CatRod53

Fort Wayne, IN

#26 Oct 6, 2008
David wrote:
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And his wrecking ability, which this would have caused.
Tony didn't wreck anyone. If Regan would have spun and taken out the next 5-6 cars while Tony crossed the finish line w/o a scratch, you'd have something to complain about. Sorry, but Regan Smith has no one but himself to blame for breaking the rules.
Les2

Cortland, OH

#27 Oct 6, 2008
CatRod53 wrote:
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Tony didn't wreck anyone. If Regan would have spun and taken out the next 5-6 cars while Tony crossed the finish line w/o a scratch, you'd have something to complain about. Sorry, but Regan Smith has no one but himself to blame for breaking the rules.
It most likely wouldn't have been Regan that spun if he would have held his line...you do know that right?

Since: Aug 08

Sanford, NC

#28 Oct 6, 2008
David wrote:
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Very simple. Regan had the momentum as he was passing. Regan had 3 options. 1) Slam on the brakes and cause another big accident. I'm glad he did not chose that one. 2) Just continue his forward momentum and knock Tony out of the way, the way I preferred he would have done it, lol. And number 3) Do exactly what he did.
Now I'm not saying Regan should have won. But he should have got his 2nd place finish. I feel Nascar felt since he didn't do the other 2 options and cause a huge wreck to bolster ratings he was penalized. Safety FIRST. Good racing SECOND. NOT the other way around.
Also, THINK people. Not about the WORODS of the rule. But the REASON the rule way put in. That's how it should be inforced, by the REASON it was put in, for safety concerns. NOT for whatever, whoever, and however it CAN be manipulated to benifit certain individuals.
I think the reason he was placed 18th was because when he went below the yellow he continued to try to move forward. You're simply not allowed to do that. Earlier in the race JPM was truely forced below the line by someone coming over on him. He didn't try to use that as an opportunity to move past the car in front of him. He simply re-entered the racing surface in the spot he was in to start with. Whether Smith was forced down there or not, he didn't have the right to improve his position while he was still there. Had he not attempted to pass while below the line he would have been given 2nd. The penalty for passing while below the line is a pass-through penalty. I really don't think there's any senario that could put Smith 2nd. He was either the winner, or 18th. Anything else would have definitely been arbitrary.

I also don't think that anyone needed any more excitement in that race to bolster the ratings. If you weren't entertained by this race, you're not going to be entertained by Nascar. Its just a case of a rookie not understanding the rules and not paying attention in the drivers meeting.
David

Charlotte, NC

#29 Oct 6, 2008
CatRod53 wrote:
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Tony didn't wreck anyone. If Regan would have spun and taken out the next 5-6 cars while Tony crossed the finish line w/o a scratch, you'd have something to complain about. Sorry, but Regan Smith has no one but himself to blame for breaking the rules.
Who said he did? Who said I was complaining. I have nothing against either driver. But you are only lying to yourself if you think if Regan didn't move it would have wrecked everyone else BUT Tony. I think YOU Over estimate his drving ability.
David

Charlotte, NC

#30 Oct 6, 2008
CatRod53 wrote:
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Tony didn't wreck anyone. If Regan would have spun and taken out the next 5-6 cars while Tony crossed the finish line w/o a scratch, you'd have something to complain about. Sorry, but Regan Smith has no one but himself to blame for breaking the rules.
Also, from what I have read and heard. Yes, you are correct. He made a mistake. Due to the rules, he shold have pulled back into his same position. HOPEFULLY there may be a spot there ad not another car when this happens. HOWEVER, whether this be true or not, Tony still CAUSED him to go down there. The issue is not the pass, BUT SAFETY. It appears Tony fans, pertaining to this call, wanted him to wreck the entire field. Nascar needs to start learning the REASONS for their own rules, instead of manipluating the words of the rules to fit the currect situation.

The rule is put into place for safety reasons. THAT'S IT. And it would have been unsafe for Regan to have NOT moved below the yellow line.

I have mixed feeling about the finish, becasue of the screwed up differences in rules I keep hearing. By what I have heard from Nascar in the past. Tony should have been black flagged also for forcing him below the yellow line.

I'm not saying he shouldn't have won. But when does a rule actually become arule, and when does a rule not become a rule? It's very confusing. It sounds more like politics than it does racing.
CatRod53

Fort Wayne, IN

#31 Oct 6, 2008
Les2 wrote:
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It most likely wouldn't have been Regan that spun if he would have held his line...you do know that right?
Regan himself said he didn't want to cause a pile up. He could very well have been caught up in his own mess...you do know that right?
David

Charlotte, NC

#32 Oct 6, 2008
team-shr wrote:
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I think the reason he was placed 18th was because when he went below the yellow he continued to try to move forward. You're simply not allowed to do that. Earlier in the race JPM was truely forced below the line by someone coming over on him. He didn't try to use that as an opportunity to move past the car in front of him. He simply re-entered the racing surface in the spot he was in to start with. Whether Smith was forced down there or not, he didn't have the right to improve his position while he was still there. Had he not attempted to pass while below the line he would have been given 2nd. The penalty for passing while below the line is a pass-through penalty. I really don't think there's any senario that could put Smith 2nd. He was either the winner, or 18th. Anything else would have definitely been arbitrary.
I also don't think that anyone needed any more excitement in that race to bolster the ratings. If you weren't entertained by this race, you're not going to be entertained by Nascar. Its just a case of a rookie not understanding the rules and not paying attention in the drivers meeting.
I tend to agree somewhat. Yes, the rules state you cannot gain position. However, the rule about the line was NOT put into affect to give us better racing. It was for SAFETY concerns, PERIOD. Let's not forget this. In some cases it may not be safe to come back into line where you were. If NASCAR decides this rule is more important than the safety of the drivers, they can count me out of ever watching the races again. But there are also 2 sides. NASCAR also specifically said that if a car forces another below the line, then he will be black flagged. So why was ONLY ONE rule inforced here and not both?

My point mainly is this. The whole end of that race was done safely. NOT because of the rules, but because of good driving by all drivers. That's the important thing. I do not feel that it was Regan's initial plan in passing below the line, hence the penalty should be the same. He shouldn't get the win, because he passed down there. But he may have done the right thing by staying down there. Would he have gotten 2nd if he crossed the finish line in 2nd below the yellow line in a safer manner than if he had tried to force his way back up?

Come on guys. These are not 5 year old children racing. They are professionals. Do you not think they may know what's safer for everyone on the track during theses incidents, or do they need to STOP and THINK heavily about the rules, so they can concentrate MORE on not breaking rules, than on safety?

You called that excitement? You haven't been watching Nascar very long then. No, it was boring to me. 10 miles of excitement doesn't override 490 miles of boredom, in my opinion, sorry. I've been a NASCAR fan since before 1970. It's IROC now, there is nothing stock about it anymore. Dodge, Toyota, Ford, and Chevy have nothing to do with racing expect the cash they give them and decals on the cars.
Les2

Cortland, OH

#34 Oct 6, 2008
CatRod53 wrote:
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Regan himself said he didn't want to cause a pile up. He could very well have been caught up in his own mess...you do know that right?
His chances would have been better than Tony's.

But being your a Tony fan you'll probably disagree.

One things for sure you Tony fans should be sending Regan Thank You cards for being a nice guy and not letting Tony cause a big wreck!

18chick

“Sit on it! ”

Since: Jun 08

Kyle Universe

#35 Oct 6, 2008
Les2 wrote:
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His chances would have been better than Tony's.
But being your a Tony fan you'll probably disagree.
One things for sure you Tony fans should be sending Regan Thank You cards for being a nice guy and not letting Tony cause a big wreck!
Why all the negativity? Who is your favorite driver, just curious

“Smoke and the Rocketman”

Since: Jan 07

Schuylkill Haven, PA

#36 Oct 6, 2008
SARACUDA wrote:
I will give it to JR cause he said that carl and jimmie who always rides in the back cheat the fans who pay to see em all race up front and says they should be told not to and he said JJ is pissed at him but OH WELL!!!!!!!!!! ROFLMAO
yeah, I loved it when they interviewed Kevin after his crash and he said he wants to race, not lay back because he wants to put on a good show for the fans.. Thank you Kevin you are SO right

“Smoke and the Rocketman”

Since: Jan 07

Schuylkill Haven, PA

#37 Oct 6, 2008
kattienpatches wrote:
You called that excitement? You haven't been watching Nascar very long then. No, it was boring to me. 10 miles of excitement doesn't override 490 miles of boredom, in my opinion, sorry. I've been a NASCAR fan since before 1970. It's IROC now, there is nothing stock about it anymore. Dodge, Toyota, Ford, awith racing expect the cash they give them and decals on the cars. nd Chevy have nothing to do
Thank you I have been waiting for someone to clear this up . They are cookie cutter cars !!And I have into racing since I was 14.
my Lord Kattie, they were 4 wide most of the time.. there was some really good racing yesterday.. the most lead changes ever I think they said

“Smoke and the Rocketman”

Since: Jan 07

Schuylkill Haven, PA

#38 Oct 6, 2008
Les2 wrote:
<quoted text>
His chances would have been better than Tony's.
But being your a Tony fan you'll probably disagree.
One things for sure you Tony fans should be sending Regan Thank You cards for being a nice guy and not letting Tony cause a big wreck!
news for you,,, it is hard to stay out front on a restrictor plate track when guys behind you get connected, but that doesn't mean that the guy out front no matter who he is doesn't try to stay there. Regan didn't go high because he didn't have Menard on his bumper.. Regan should have known the rule about the yellow line.... it was idiotic of him to go below the line and if he would have gotten into Tony, Tony is the more experienced driver, I am sure Tony would have taken the culprit with him. Funny how the guy out front now has to thank the guy behind for not wrecking him?? funny..of course I realize that is THIS week... if it would have been Tony behind Regan, he had better NOT crash the punk cuz he would be crucified..

“I am who I am”

Since: Nov 07

I don't need your permission!

#39 Oct 6, 2008
JrsQueen wrote:
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Why all the negativity? Who is your favorite driver, just curious
I don't believe he has one. His main goal is to go from forum to forum and wreak havoc! No matter the driver. Whether the call is fair or not. He always sides with the loser, and comes to the winner's thread to insure maximum DRAMA!

18chick

“Sit on it! ”

Since: Jun 08

Kyle Universe

#40 Oct 6, 2008
lilbit88 wrote:
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I don't believe he has one. His main goal is to go from forum to forum and wreak havoc! No matter the driver. Whether the call is fair or not. He always sides with the loser, and comes to the winner's thread to insure maximum DRAMA!
I agree with that.

“Smoke and the Rocketman”

Since: Jan 07

Schuylkill Haven, PA

#41 Oct 6, 2008
David wrote:
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I tend to agree somewhat. Yes, the rules state you cannot gain position. However, the rule about the line was NOT put into affect to give us better racing. It was for SAFETY concerns, PERIOD. Let's not forget this. In some cases it may not be safe to come back into line where you were. If NASCAR decides this rule is more important than the safety of the drivers, they can count me out of ever watching the races again. But there are also 2 sides. NASCAR also specifically said that if a car forces another below the line, then he will be black flagged. So why was ONLY ONE rule inforced here and not both?
My point mainly is this. The whole end of that race was done safely. NOT because of the rules, but because of good driving by all drivers. That's the important thing. I do not feel that it was Regan's initial plan in passing below the line, hence the penalty should be the same. He shouldn't get the win, because he passed down there. But he may have done the right thing by staying down there. Would he have gotten 2nd if he crossed the finish line in 2nd below the yellow line in a safer manner than if he had tried to force his way back up?
Come on guys. These are not 5 year old children racing. They are professionals. Do you not think they may know what's safer for everyone on the track during theses incidents, or do they need to STOP and THINK heavily about the rules, so they can concentrate MORE on not breaking rules, than on safety?
You called that excitement? You haven't been watching Nascar very long then. No, it was boring to me. 10 miles of excitement doesn't override 490 miles of boredom, in my opinion, sorry. I've been a NASCAR fan since before 1970. It's IROC now, there is nothing stock about it anymore. Dodge, Toyota, Ford, and Chevy have nothing to do with racing expect the cash they give them and decals on the cars.
David, Tony, the guy in front of David, did NOT force Regan below the yellow line.. Regan could have braked and retook the second position but he forgot the rule about the yellow line..the guy in the front does not have to do anything in NASCAR racing ettiquette...he owes the guy trying to pass him nothing..

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