Smith Denied First Career Win on Illegal Pass

Oct 6, 2008 | Posted by: Shut up n drive | Full story: www.myfoxatlanta.com:80

Regan Smith had no choice but to duck below the yellow line for any shot at winning at Talladega.

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Smith wasn't denied anything. He wasn't on the racing surface.

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Barr wrote:
Smith wasn't denied anything. He wasn't on the racing surface.
Exactly! And per NASCAR he wasn't forced there.

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Barr wrote:
Smith wasn't denied anything. He wasn't on the racing surface.
I agree! Perhaps Regan thought he had no other choice to win, but an illegal move is an illegal move.

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I wish they would just get over it. This is getting old.

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Maybe we should change the subject. Hey-how about those Cubs? lol

(j/k all you Cubbie Fans!)

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Yep bad move on his part.

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IT WAS SHRUBBIE HE TOLD THE RAGEN SMITH LAD TO PASS ON THAT SIDE

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Oct 6, 2008
 
NINETY NINE 99 wrote:
IT WAS SHRUBBIE HE TOLD THE RAGEN SMITH LAD TO PASS ON THAT SIDE
No one pays an attention to what shrubbie say's. and even less what the 99 says. Ah shucks..
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Hey you have to give RS credit.. at least he didn't throw a tantrum and ram Smokes car. Guess he's a bit more mature than KB.

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Oh boy, the jealousy is showing again

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Not jealous just stating facts..True Facts....
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snow wrote:
Not jealous just stating facts..True Facts....
so true indeed!
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Oct 7, 2008
 
Smith went for broke. At this point for his team...taking the chance was worth it.

Some might argue if that had been JR, Jeff or Jimmie making that move, Nascar might have taken a little longer to come to the conclusion they did. I think they made the right decision but I'm pretty skeptical of the reason...was it to enforce the rules (like it should be) or was it because Smith is a nobody...I honestly don't know what to believe?
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People can say whatever they like about Regan making an illegal move. Just keep in mind, that according to Nascar, it's illegal to block someone below the yellow line to stop from being passed. It really comes down to what you choose to believe here. I believe he was forced below the yellow line and therefore Tony should have been the one to suffer a penalty. That being said, it really comes back to Nascar being inconsistent with how they call races at Daytona and Talladega. I also have to mention something about people accusing others of whining because they have a different view of what happened. It's not whining because you feel a victory was stolen by bad decision making. Both drivers did what they had to, to get the victory. Being a Tony Stewart fan doesn't mean that you automatically side with the decision. If you believe that Tony forced Regan down there, than you should most definitely disagree with the result. If you believe that Regan thought it was his only chance and dived down there on purpose, than the right decision was made. Just don't support the ruling out of pure wanting to see your driver win. Next time, it may be your driver, who gets the short end of the Nascar decision making stick. Oh! Please! For the love of God! Don't try to defend any Nascar decision by trying to pretend you know or understand the rules. The drivers, owners, crews and officials can't even agree on what the rules are. All we armchair racers need to quit pretending like we have some understanding of rules above what anyone else has. Believe me, I include myself in this too.

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Nascartoon wrote:
People can say whatever they like about Regan making an illegal move. Just keep in mind, that according to Nascar, it's illegal to block someone below the yellow line to stop from being passed. It really comes down to what you choose to believe here. I believe he was forced below the yellow line and therefore Tony should have been the one to suffer a penalty. That being said, it really comes back to Nascar being inconsistent with how they call races at Daytona and Talladega. I also have to mention something about people accusing others of whining because they have a different view of what happened. It's not whining because you feel a victory was stolen by bad decision making. Both drivers did what they had to, to get the victory. Being a Tony Stewart fan doesn't mean that you automatically side with the decision. If you believe that Tony forced Regan down there, than you should most definitely disagree with the result. If you believe that Regan thought it was his only chance and dived down there on purpose, than the right decision was made. Just don't support the ruling out of pure wanting to see your driver win. Next time, it may be your driver, who gets the short end of the Nascar decision making stick. Oh! Please! For the love of God! Don't try to defend any Nascar decision by trying to pretend you know or understand the rules. The drivers, owners, crews and officials can't even agree on what the rules are. All we armchair racers need to quit pretending like we have some understanding of rules above what anyone else has. Believe me, I include myself in this too.
Smith said something that was quite telling during his interviews. About anything goes on the last lap. He firmly believed that even though there was no indication that this was the case. So he did something he knew was illegal, he wouldn't have said that he thought he could because anything goes on the last lap if he thought he had been forced down there.

Now I have yet to watch the you tube video but if what is said in this piece is right then Smith was already two wheels below the yellow line when Tony blocked him, still making his move illegal. So Smith had made his decision to go for broke and that was wrong.

http://www.nascar.com/2008/news/opinion/10/07...

Granted this is only an opinion piece but I'm sure he watched the same race we did. Smith was already below the yellow line before Tony went back in to the line he had been running. It may have been a different result if that was not the case.

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14_Patti_18 wrote:
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Smith said something that was quite telling during his interviews. About anything goes on the last lap. He firmly believed that even though there was no indication that this was the case. So he did something he knew was illegal, he wouldn't have said that he thought he could because anything goes on the last lap if he thought he had been forced down there.
Now I have yet to watch the you tube video but if what is said in this piece is right then Smith was already two wheels below the yellow line when Tony blocked him, still making his move illegal. So Smith had made his decision to go for broke and that was wrong.
http://www.nascar.com/2008/news/opinion/10/07...
Granted this is only an opinion piece but I'm sure he watched the same race we did. Smith was already below the yellow line before Tony went back in to the line he had been running. It may have been a different result if that was not the case.
I also think Regan was planning the move below the yellow line , regardless of whether or not Tony forced him down there. He had said that he knew the only way to pass was to pass Tony on the bottom. Then he said he thought "anything goes" on the last lap and it was OKAY to pass beneath the yellow. Of course, he then tried to play the "I was forced" card.

IMO, he can't have it both ways, either he knew the only way to pass was below the yellow line, or he was forced there. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

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Josh wrote:
Smith went for broke. At this point for his team...taking the chance was worth it.
Some might argue if that had been JR, Jeff or Jimmie making that move, Nascar might have taken a little longer to come to the conclusion they did. I think they made the right decision but I'm pretty skeptical of the reason...was it to enforce the rules (like it should be) or was it because Smith is a nobody...I honestly don't know what to believe?
I don't know Zippy seemed to know with in seconds!:) there was no doubt

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Oct 7, 2008
 
Tony was just holding his line. Regan was going below the yellow line before they even got to the turn. I understand the blocking rule to apply when the other car is already there below the yellow line not when the driver chooses to pass low instead of high.

I feel for Regan. His interview shows how important this racing is to them.
Nascartoon wrote:
People can say whatever they like about Regan making an illegal move. Just keep in mind, that according to Nascar, it's illegal to block someone below the yellow line to stop from being passed. It really comes down to what you choose to believe here. I believe he was forced below the yellow line and therefore Tony should have been the one to suffer a penalty. That being said, it really comes back to Nascar being inconsistent with how they call races at Daytona and Talladega. I also have to mention something about people accusing others of whining because they have a different view of what happened. It's not whining because you feel a victory was stolen by bad decision making. Both drivers did what they had to, to get the victory. Being a Tony Stewart fan doesn't mean that you automatically side with the decision. If you believe that Tony forced Regan down there, than you should most definitely disagree with the result. If you believe that Regan thought it was his only chance and dived down there on purpose, than the right decision was made. Just don't support the ruling out of pure wanting to see your driver win. Next time, it may be your driver, who gets the short end of the Nascar decision making stick. Oh! Please! For the love of God! Don't try to defend any Nascar decision by trying to pretend you know or understand the rules. The drivers, owners, crews and officials can't even agree on what the rules are. All we armchair racers need to quit pretending like we have some understanding of rules above what anyone else has. Believe me, I include myself in this too.
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NINETY NINE 99 wrote:
IT WAS SHRUBBIE HE TOLD THE RAGEN SMITH LAD TO PASS ON THAT SIDE
Hey, Ears, I have a BONE to pick with you. your Opie took out my Earnhardt...lol
What's up with that? Who paid him to take out hhmmm
was it 4 or 5 chasers?
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