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Tony Stewart won't be racing on the track this weekend in Richmond, but he will be racing around on a new set of wheels.

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Claire Annette Reed

Los Angeles, CA

#64 Sep 9, 2013
whatever wrote:
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Really? Tony has been on bed rest for almost a month for a SEVERE bone break and you're whining because he didn't try to stand up for the invocation and the NA? Sheesh!
They need to do away with that stupid invocation, anyway. Or, have a different one periodically---may be a rabbi, Native American shaman, etc. Not everyone is a xtian.
CatRod53

Fort Wayne, IN

#65 Sep 9, 2013
Claire Annette Reed wrote:
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They need to do away with that stupid invocation, anyway. Or, have a different one periodically---may be a rabbi, Native American shaman, etc. Not everyone is a xtian.
you're right - I don't know anyone who claims to be a xtian.

I'm a Christian, proud to proclaim it, and I don't think you're at funny.
Isabelle Ringing

Denver, CO

#66 Sep 9, 2013
CatRod53 wrote:
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you're right - I don't know anyone who claims to be a xtian.
I'm a Christian, proud to proclaim it, and I don't think you're at funny.
What's wrong with having different faiths do an invocation once in awhile? I think that would be awesome and bring people together.

Oh, that's right--YOUR faith is the ONLY one that matters! Sorry. My bad.I mean, YOUR faith is only 2,000 years old, while others are much, much older. But,Christianity is THE ONE TRUE FAITH,right?
Tav

Chicago, IL

#67 Sep 9, 2013
CatRod53 wrote:
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you're right - I don't know anyone who claims to be a xtian.
I'm a Christian, proud to proclaim it, and I don't think you're at funny.
What's wrong with having different faiths do an invocation once in awhile? I think that would be awesome and bring people together.

Oh, that's right--YOUR faith is the ONLY one that matters! Sorry. My bad.I mean, YOUR faith is only 2,000 years old, while others are much, much older. But,Christianity is THE ONE TRUE FAITH,right?

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#68 Sep 10, 2013
JohnnyDeppfan2 wrote:
Clint is the last person to want to do team orders. Some of you just wont admit Newman sucks.
Well
mouth I guess he did follow orders He should hang his head in shame.
CatRod53

Fort Wayne, IN

#69 Sep 10, 2013
Before you get all excited and start attacking my faith and repeating yourself .... oh, you already did .... try to stay on the subject.

This isn't about what God(s) you do or don't believe in. But your posts are ridiculous. You think representatives of different faiths would bring people together, and then you attack Christianity. But, we're used to that.

I enjoy and respect prayer and our country's National Anthem as part of Nascar's opening ceremony. Too bad you don't.
manic 2

Meriden, CT

#70 Sep 10, 2013
CatRod53 wrote:
Before you get all excited and start attacking my faith and repeating yourself .... oh, you already did .... try to stay on the subject.
This isn't about what God(s) you do or don't believe in. But your posts are ridiculous. You think representatives of different faiths would bring people together, and then you attack Christianity. But, we're used to that.
I enjoy and respect prayer and our country's National Anthem as part of Nascar's opening ceremony. Too bad you don't.
Thanks for the chuckle needed it . Gloomy & rainy out. I AM SICK OF RAIN :(
CatRod53

Fort Wayne, IN

#73 Sep 10, 2013
Here We Go Again wrote:
There's NOTHING wrong with the American National Anthem played before American sporting events. We are ALL Americans.
However--It IS wrong to force christian prayers at public sporting events. Not everybody is a christian! I pay my money to see a car race like everyone else.
If there is going to be a prayer or invocation, TREAT EVERY BELIEF OR NON-BELIEF EQUALLY!
If some of you wish to pray to your god privately--cool beans. No prob. Go for it.
I invoke my deities in private. IF I feel the need to do so in public, IT IS DONE SILENTLY so that I DO NOT OFFEND OTHERS who do not share MY beliefs. It's called being respectful of others.
Professional Football, baseball, hockey etc, don't have public christian prayers before hand--why does NASCAR? Even some dirt tracks have a christian prayer before the race starts.
My husband knows a guy who races late models and is Asatru ( Old Norse beliefs) Can you imagine the reaction if he publicly invoked Thor or Odin to help him have a safe race? I'm sure the "good christians" would lynch him right there.
Either have a basic, generic blessing which doesn't emphasize christianity, or do away with the invocation / prayer all together.
I understand your point, and I appreciate the fact that you have tried to be respectful. I will do likewise. That being said, I think you would like to know that Francis Scott Key wrote 4 verses to the Star Spangled Banner in 1814. Below is the final verse:

Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

Also, I'm sure you find it offensive that the phrase "In God We Trust" has appeared on US currency since 1864, and Dwight Eisenhower signed Public Law 140 making it mandatory that all coinage and paper currency display the motto on July 11, 1955.

These are only two examples showing Christianity has been a strong foundation for our nation's government, and that makes me even more proud to be an American.

I am sure it was not by happenstance that the first amendment of the Bill of Rights to the US Constitution states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances".

That guarantees you, your husband's friend, and me the freedom to worship as we choose. I am glad our country's founding fathers recognized that importance, aren't you? And I am glad that so many Americans believe that preserving that freedom is worth fighting and dying for, aren't you?
History Lesson

Chicago, IL

#74 Sep 11, 2013
I'm a descendent of Dr. Benjamin Rush on my father's side of the family--I THINK I might know a little about the US Constitution.

The Rush family left England for Pennsylvania in 1688. Why did they leave England? Because they converted to being Quakers and were being persecuted for their beliefs. IOW, Christians were being persecuted by other Christians. How nice.

On my mother's side of the family, several of her ancestors in Scotland were accused of witchcraft and burnt alive. Some survivors escaped to America and have been hiding in the hills for 300 years. Even after three centuries, they STILL are being persecuted and punished for their beliefs. So much for "freedom to worship".

Back on topic: There should be NO favoritism of one belief system over another IN A PUBLIC EVENT! Either include ALL belief systems or NONE.
WHOYAKIDDING

Raleigh, NC

#75 Sep 11, 2013
Tav wrote:
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What's wrong with having different faiths do an invocation once in awhile? I think that would be awesome and bring people together.
Oh, that's right--YOUR faith is the ONLY one that matters! Sorry. My bad.I mean, YOUR faith is only 2,000 years old, while others are much, much older. But,Christianity is THE ONE TRUE FAITH,right?
Yes, Christianity is THE ONE TRUE FAITH. If you don't believe that, leave him out of you conversations. When you are surprised don't say,"Oh My God" because he isn't. When death is at the door of someone you truly love, find someone else to beg to.
Tav

Los Angeles, CA

#76 Sep 11, 2013
WHOYAKIDDING wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, Christianity is THE ONE TRUE FAITH. If you don't believe that, leave him out of you conversations. When you are surprised don't say,"Oh My God" because he isn't. When death is at the door of someone you truly love, find someone else to beg to.
Really? Then tell that to the one billion Muslims, the 900 million Hindus, the 375 million Buddhists,and more.

And there is more then one god. When someone says "Oh My god" they could be referring to Vishnu or Osiris or Thor, as well as the christian god.
CatRod53

Fort Wayne, IN

#77 Sep 12, 2013
History Lesson wrote:
I'm a descendent of Dr. Benjamin Rush on my father's side of the family--I THINK I might know a little about the US Constitution.
The Rush family left England for Pennsylvania in 1688. Why did they leave England? Because they converted to being Quakers and were being persecuted for their beliefs. IOW, Christians were being persecuted by other Christians. How nice.
On my mother's side of the family, several of her ancestors in Scotland were accused of witchcraft and burnt alive. Some survivors escaped to America and have been hiding in the hills for 300 years. Even after three centuries, they STILL are being persecuted and punished for their beliefs. So much for "freedom to worship".
Back on topic: There should be NO favoritism of one belief system over another IN A PUBLIC EVENT! Either include ALL belief systems or NONE.
As one of our nation's founding fathers Dr Rush made valuable contributions to our government and country. Thank you for pointing out the reason that your ancestors left the Church of England, like most others, was because they wanted freedom of religion.

I think probably people of all faiths have been persecuted at one time or another in this world. I know that Christians were persecuted well before the 1600’s and probably will be until the end of time. Many, to this very day, give their life for their faith, even when given the opportunity to reject it and live.

Whether or not your family practices witchcraft, your relatives can come out of hiding because research showed over 134,000 practicing Wiccans in 2001, and I certainly hope the being burned at the stake days are behind us. Since we’re talking about our country’s Constitution, it appears our founding fathers must have thought there is a difference “freedom of religion” and “freedom to worship”.

Back on topic: Public prayer is not an all or nothing right Americans enjoy, and it is not something we take lightly or are willing to give up. Your predecessors came to this country because it was founded and built on Christian principles.

I am proud, and I bet your ancestors would be too, when Nascar and any other public or private event is not afraid to exercise that freedom. If your faith is as important to you as mine is to me, you will understand that.
CatRod53

Fort Wayne, IN

#78 Sep 13, 2013
Tav wrote:
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Really? Then tell that to the one billion Muslims, the 900 million Hindus, the 375 million Buddhists,and more.
And there is more then one god. When someone says "Oh My god" they could be referring to Vishnu or Osiris or Thor, as well as the christian god.
For your future reference, Christians always address our God as a proper name - God, Jesus Christ, Holy Spirit - and likewise our faith is recognized as Christianity.

I have not studied the other religions you mentioned, but referring to your otherwise correct use of capitalization and punctuation, I'm sure a lower case g is fine with them.

Thank you for the same consideration you gave them.
Tav

Los Angeles, CA

#79 Sep 13, 2013
CatRod53 wrote:
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or not your family practices witchcraft, your relatives can come out of hiding because research showed over 134,000 practicing Wiccans in 2001, and I certainly hope the being burned at the stake days are behind us.
We're NOT wiccan. We're traditionalist. BIG difference. Wicca is a modern belief system that Gerald Gardner & Dorothy Valiente made up by taking bits & pieces from the OTO, Golden Dawn and Freemasons. "Old school" is just that--we've been here for thousands of years.
CatRod53

Fort Wayne, IN

#80 Sep 13, 2013
OK, first, just for my own information, how many names have you posted under here? Tav, History Lesson, Isabelle Ringing, Claire Anne Reed, and possibly Here We Go Again?

Second, thank you for clarifying the difference between Witchcraft and Wiccans. I did about a 5 minute google search and read that Wicca is a recognized religion and Witchcraft is not. Is that an accurate statement? Because even so, I still think in this country, as long as no laws are broken or harm is caused to others, you are free to practice your beliefs.
Manic 2

Bronx, NY

#81 Sep 14, 2013
This is the smartest remark I have read today . How very true. KUDOS KN

Krissie Newman &#8207;@NewmanKrissie 1h
It amazes me how reading CNN news in the morning puts a lot of life into perspective on what are the real issues!!!

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#82 Sep 14, 2013
Manic 2 wrote:
This is the smartest remark I have read today . How very true. KUDOS KN
Krissie Newman &#8207;@NewmanKrissie 1h
It amazes me how reading CNN news in the morning puts a lot of life into perspective on what are the real issues!!!
Well said, Manic. True points.

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