Injured NASCAR fan released from hospital

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What: Russ Friedman 400, 10th of 36 races for NASCAR's Sprint Cup Series. Where: Richmond International Raceway, .75-mile oval. Full Story
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Since: Feb 09

Shine on

#1 Apr 29, 2009
I get a bit frustrated by the blind eyes of Nascar and the broadcast crew on Sunday. Mike Joy said during the replay of all the debris flying into the stands says, "It looks like no debris went into the stands". It wasn't until Chris Myers right prior to signing off mentioned there were injuries. I, unlike Nascar and the broadcast crew, feel that the fence did in fact failed in doing it's job but Nascar got lucky because the car first hit the top of the concrete wall slowing much of it's lateral momentum towards the wall. The fence is designed with horizontal cables that are intended to maintain it's strenght but what I saw was the chain link fence tilted back at approx 25 degree angle which is not what it is desgined to do. Either one or more cables broke or became separated from their supports further up or down the wall sections and stretched to cause the backward angle failure. If the car had any more momentum and that fence gave away the 30 degrees it did on Sunday, the car would have swept right over the top of the fence into the crowd. We all are lucky that didn't happen but I will be very dissappointed if Nascar doesn't admit that the fence did in fact have some and needs to be looked at again. Just admit some fault unstead of sugar coating.

“Im bad, really really bad”

Since: Dec 06

Mooresville, NC

#2 Apr 29, 2009
DW said the same thing and I pointed that out Sunday...Something about "The fence did its job and held up"

Really? Cause I saw it ripped to shreds.
race fan

United States

#3 Apr 29, 2009
Maro wrote:
DW said the same thing and I pointed that out Sunday...Something about "The fence did its job and held up"
Really? Cause I saw it ripped to shreds.
I did too,I could not beleive what they said. WE watched it on tv, and they were right there, they made some pretty stupid comments.

“Let's go racing!!!!”

Since: Dec 08

Albuquerque, NM

#4 Apr 29, 2009
Coming from a racing family let me tell you what tracks consider doing it's job. The fence came apart yes, but, the car did not land in the stands and Nobody was killed. The fence did stop a lot of debris and did stop the car from landing in the stands. The big black poles are there to stop the car and let the fencing give a bit to get the spring effect. You can not stop all the peices. There is NO 100% guarentee for any of it. Think about what would have happened had it not been there. I would think if you expect a 100% gaurantee that nothing will fly up or out and hit you then you are at the wrong sporting event.JMHO. I for one think it did do it's job and it will not stop me or any of my family from going to the races or even strapping into a racecar. The fencing matterial is rather small and to take the hit that it took.....heck yeah, I want one around my own yard.

“Let's go racing!!!!”

Since: Dec 08

Albuquerque, NM

#5 Apr 29, 2009
Forgot to say, I do however think they need to push back the seating. I know where we race you can enter and exit the stands from the front, sides and rear. We usually go under the stands to the elevator.

“If you say so...”

Since: Dec 06

South Central Indiana

#6 Apr 30, 2009
GOTALIFE wrote:
Coming from a racing family let me tell you what tracks consider doing it's job. The fence came apart yes, but, the car did not land in the stands and Nobody was killed. The fence did stop a lot of debris and did stop the car from landing in the stands. The big black poles are there to stop the car and let the fencing give a bit to get the spring effect. You can not stop all the peices. There is NO 100% guarentee for any of it. Think about what would have happened had it not been there. I would think if you expect a 100% gaurantee that nothing will fly up or out and hit you then you are at the wrong sporting event.JMHO. I for one think it did do it's job and it will not stop me or any of my family from going to the races or even strapping into a racecar. The fencing matterial is rather small and to take the hit that it took.....heck yeah, I want one around my own yard.
I agree. The design of the fence has to allow for some give when something as weighty as a car hits it. Find a picture of the fence after Sunday's race and after the race in 1987 when Bobby Allison took down a section of fence. Dramatic improvements have been made in the last 20 years. But short of someone inventing some indestructible material that will absorb impact without shattering the car, injuring/killing the driver, keep all debris from entering the stands, AND be clear so as not to disrupt sight lines, this type of fencing will continue to be used.

The tracks we frequent would love to have fencing as strong as what the Cup tracks have, but then again, our stands are usually much further from the track and, in some cases, are elevated from track level. Yes, accidents do happen and cars and debris do occasionally find their way into the stands, but we go to these races knowing there's a potential for injury. As fans we know that we bear responsibility for our own safety.
Kathy

Monkton, MD

#7 Apr 30, 2009
Maro wrote:
DW said the same thing and I pointed that out Sunday...Something about "The fence did its job and held up"
Really? Cause I saw it ripped to shreds.
As soon as it happened, my husband said "oh no there's stuff flying in the stands." Yet the broadcasters kept saying the opposite for the next several minutes. Makes you wonder what race they were watching.
DONA

Cookeville, TN

#8 Apr 30, 2009
Kathy wrote:
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As soon as it happened, my husband said "oh no there's stuff flying in the stands." Yet the broadcasters kept saying the opposite for the next several minutes. Makes you wonder what race they were watching.
I wonder the same thing. I thought "A blind man can see the stuff" and they were saying nothing went thru the fence. DAH? And it happened so fast the fans had no time to respond and get out of the way, which they couldn't anyhow b/c of the location.

“Im bad, really really bad”

Since: Dec 06

Mooresville, NC

#9 Apr 30, 2009
GOTALIFE wrote:
Coming from a racing family let me tell you what tracks consider doing it's job. The fence came apart yes, but, the car did not land in the stands and Nobody was killed. The fence did stop a lot of debris and did stop the car from landing in the stands. The big black poles are there to stop the car and let the fencing give a bit to get the spring effect. You can not stop all the peices. There is NO 100% guarentee for any of it. Think about what would have happened had it not been there. I would think if you expect a 100% gaurantee that nothing will fly up or out and hit you then you are at the wrong sporting event.JMHO. I for one think it did do it's job and it will not stop me or any of my family from going to the races or even strapping into a racecar. The fencing matterial is rather small and to take the hit that it took.....heck yeah, I want one around my own yard.
"No one got killed" is a poor argument. Someone had their jaw broke. Had that persons head been turned to the side, instead of facing forward, they'd be dead.

Had that person with the broken jaw, been a small children, they'd be dead.

I sure hope Nascar doesn't echo your opinion.
TexasJrFan64

Victoria, TX

#10 Apr 30, 2009
GOTALIFE wrote:
Forgot to say, I do however think they need to push back the seating. I know where we race you can enter and exit the stands from the front, sides and rear. We usually go under the stands to the elevator.
I agree, I was at Bristol, and we could stand right in front of the fence when the cars went by. My son is 7 and I couldn't keep him away. I know the cars are much slower there, but it was too close. I bet your advice is being considered right now.
Nascartoon

Dearborn Heights, MI

#11 Apr 30, 2009
Maro wrote:
<quoted text>
"No one got killed" is a poor argument. Someone had their jaw broke. Had that persons head been turned to the side, instead of facing forward, they'd be dead.
Had that person with the broken jaw, been a small children, they'd be dead.
I sure hope Nascar doesn't echo your opinion.
You sure make a lot of assumptions here. You have no idea if a child would have been killed, or whether the person's head was turned. The fence indeed did it's job as designed. There will never be a completely fail-safe barrier that will not hinder fans view of the race. There's actually a good chance the the fans were injured by debris from the fence and not the car also. No one wants to see people get hurt, but when you take a 2-ton machine and drive it around 200mph, safety is never going to be a guarantee. Considering the impact of this accident and the few minor injuries just proves the fence did it's job. Safety should always be an on going task, but it will never be guaranteed as long as fans want that close, great view of the racing. We could all sit at home and watch it on TV, than it would be that great level of safety, but who wants to do that. As for the announcers. Give me a break. Surely, none of you people think they are completely uncaring louts. They didn't notice any signs of fans injured, so they reported what they thought was accurate. This was right after the incident and they had no way of knowing. If anything, everyone should be happy that the fence performed it's duty. Without this fence, there would be some grieving families right now.

“Sit on it! ”

Since: Jun 08

Kyle Universe

#12 Apr 30, 2009
Maro wrote:
<quoted text>
"No one got killed" is a poor argument. Someone had their jaw broke. Had that persons head been turned to the side, instead of facing forward, they'd be dead.
Had that person with the broken jaw, been a small children, they'd be dead.
I sure hope Nascar doesn't echo your opinion.
Nascar sure as hell wouldn't echo your psychotic opinion!
Rug

Ocala, FL

#13 Apr 30, 2009
Maro wrote:
<quoted text>
"No one got killed" is a poor argument. Someone had their jaw broke. Had that persons head been turned to the side, instead of facing forward, they'd be dead.
Had that person with the broken jaw, been a small children, they'd be dead.
I sure hope Nascar doesn't echo your opinion.
Nascar does celebrating no one got killed
is a good thing so stfu and quit your b*tching and baiting.
Rug

Ocala, FL

#14 Apr 30, 2009
Nascartoon wrote:
<quoted text>You sure make a lot of assumptions here. You have no idea if a child would have been killed, or whether the person's head was turned. The fence indeed did it's job as designed. There will never be a completely fail-safe barrier that will not hinder fans view of the race. There's actually a good chance the the fans were injured by debris from the fence and not the car also. No one wants to see people get hurt, but when you take a 2-ton machine and drive it around 200mph, safety is never going to be a guarantee. Considering the impact of this accident and the few minor injuries just proves the fence did it's job. Safety should always be an on going task, but it will never be guaranteed as long as fans want that close, great view of the racing. We could all sit at home and watch it on TV, than it would be that great level of safety, but who wants to do that. As for the announcers. Give me a break. Surely, none of you people think they are completely uncaring louts. They didn't notice any signs of fans injured, so they reported what they thought was accurate. This was right after the incident and they had no way of knowing. If anything, everyone should be happy that the fence performed it's duty. Without this fence, there would be some grieving families right now.
Him being born was a ASSumption when instead he was hatched.

“Smoke Fan Forever!!!”

Since: Sep 07

Look to the Western Sky!!!!

#15 Apr 30, 2009
Nascartoon wrote:
<quoted text>You sure make a lot of assumptions here. You have no idea if a child would have been killed, or whether the person's head was turned. The fence indeed did it's job as designed. There will never be a completely fail-safe barrier that will not hinder fans view of the race. There's actually a good chance the the fans were injured by debris from the fence and not the car also. No one wants to see people get hurt, but when you take a 2-ton machine and drive it around 200mph, safety is never going to be a guarantee. Considering the impact of this accident and the few minor injuries just proves the fence did it's job. Safety should always be an on going task, but it will never be guaranteed as long as fans want that close, great view of the racing. We could all sit at home and watch it on TV, than it would be that great level of safety, but who wants to do that. As for the announcers. Give me a break. Surely, none of you people think they are completely uncaring louts. They didn't notice any signs of fans injured, so they reported what they thought was accurate. This was right after the incident and they had no way of knowing. If anything, everyone should be happy that the fence performed it's duty. Without this fence, there would be some grieving families right now.
It's like saying that since a train crashed out here they shouldn't run trains anymore. It's so infrequent that it is a totally unreasonable argument.

Once every twenty years with no deaths. I think the odds that I am not going to get hurt at a race are pretty darn good.

Otherwise, yes they should not let people stand at the fence anywhere. That's silly.
Anita

Nashville, TN

#16 Apr 30, 2009
Oh, the fence did it's job-it kept the car from flying into the stands. There is no way you can stop all the debris from flying into the stands because the majority of it is tiny. The only way to stop debris from flying into the stands is to make a concrete fence and then you wouldn't be able to see the race track. You go to a race and sit close like that, you assume the risk. Duh!

“Smoke Fan Forever!!!”

Since: Sep 07

Look to the Western Sky!!!!

#17 Apr 30, 2009
Netting might work too. I think it should be a little taller. But this really was an exception. Had Newman not been there he would not have caught so much air, nor hit the fence like he did. So if all of the circumstances are the same again, we probably won't see something like this for a very long time.

“Im bad, really really bad”

Since: Dec 06

Mooresville, NC

#18 Apr 30, 2009
Nascartoon wrote:
<quoted text>You sure make a lot of assumptions here. You have no idea if a child would have been killed, or whether the person's head was turned. The fence indeed did it's job as designed. There will never be a completely fail-safe barrier that will not hinder fans view of the race. There's actually a good chance the the fans were injured by debris from the fence and not the car also. No one wants to see people get hurt, but when you take a 2-ton machine and drive it around 200mph, safety is never going to be a guarantee. Considering the impact of this accident and the few minor injuries just proves the fence did it's job. Safety should always be an on going task, but it will never be guaranteed as long as fans want that close, great view of the racing. We could all sit at home and watch it on TV, than it would be that great level of safety, but who wants to do that. As for the announcers. Give me a break. Surely, none of you people think they are completely uncaring louts. They didn't notice any signs of fans injured, so they reported what they thought was accurate. This was right after the incident and they had no way of knowing. If anything, everyone should be happy that the fence performed it's duty. Without this fence, there would be some grieving families right now.
I make no assumptions. Something hit an adults face, hard enough to break their jaw.

What exactly is "assumed"? Do you think someone got hit in their knee cap and thats how they broke their jaw?

Something big enough, flying fast enough to break an adults jaw, if it hits someone small, with softer bones, or hits the same person on the side of the skull where it is soft tissue so to speak, its only logical to say the outcome would have been worse, much worse.

Thats not an assumption, its logic.

“Im bad, really really bad”

Since: Dec 06

Mooresville, NC

#19 Apr 30, 2009
18chick wrote:
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Nascar sure as hell wouldn't echo your psychotic opinion!
How is my opinion psychotic? Someone was hospitalized for multiple days were they not? Did I hallucinate that?

“Im bad, really really bad”

Since: Dec 06

Mooresville, NC

#20 Apr 30, 2009
14_Patti_18 wrote:
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It's like saying that since a train crashed out here they shouldn't run trains anymore. It's so infrequent that it is a totally unreasonable argument.
Except Amtrak doesn't sell tickets that are railside do they?

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