Is Jimmie Johnson's dominance good or bad for NASCAR?

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Shortly after Saturday night's race Twitter was all aflutter in debate on whether Jimmie Johnson's dominance is good for the sport.

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I wouldn't count on it....Jimmie has been pretty dominate at Martinsville. I think the best thing we can hope for is that they find something wrong with the 48 car during inspection, suspend Chad for the remainder of the year and dock JJ 200 points...that would add some excitement to the rest of the Chase.
that is not a punishment last time it made jimmy stronger because chad could be at shop 24 7 and he just built better cars and was at track through cell phone and sametime instant message.Suspending the crew chief gives the team an advantage not a disadvantage...taking away points(lots of them- take him down to 6-12th) and sitting jimmy now that would be a punishment. They can bring the car but they have to start 43rd and jimmy can not drive.

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I've read numerous articles, by not only bloggers but professional writers who feel that JJ winning a fourth is NOT good for the sport. Like me, they don't hate JJ, but with one team dominating nearly every race, something is inherently wrong with the system.
Two things I've said before: No driver should be allowed to win a championship if their team is caught cheating during the seaon. And second, the Chase plays directly into Chad/Jimmie's hand. Last season, Kyle would have won the Cup with no Chase, this season, Tony would have won the Cup and the year before last, Jeff Gordon probably would have won.
You can't take anything away from JJ and Chad, but when ONE car dominates the way he has, when one car can get so far ahead of every other car, it does make you wonder.
Sorry to the 48's fans, but JJ winning another Cup will have a negative impact on Nascar, not only for the rest of this season, but for next season also. There had better be some major changes to this sport IF they want it to survive
Oh, and before the JJ lovers scream their constant "you're jealous" and all that crap, I'd be saying the same thing if Matt or Tony were stomping the competition. One team's dominance does not bode well for any sport. Heck, one of the reasons I don't watch golf anymore is because I'm tired of Tiger winning it all. Same for baseball and the same teams winning all the time.
I agree with alot of what you said. But its not the crew cheifs or even owners that set the rules. Nascar has to make the changes and if they don't do that then crew chiefs will push the envelope as far as they can and in Chads case he's pushed it a little too far. Pushing the envelope has always been a part of Nascar and always will be until something changes. I think Nascar likes the controversy myself.
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<quoted text>and in Chads case he's pushed it a little too far.
Holy f*****g Christ you finally admitted that he's pushing it. What happened to Chad would never do that?
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The problem is not Jimmie/Chad. The problem is how many whining fans there are out there. That's always the problem win any person/team dominates any sport. Those who aren't fans of that person/team want to find excuses for the success, hence we get nonsense about cheating and let everyone examine Jimmie's car, blah blah blah..... I suppose Chad should just have to share his setups with every time out there eh?

I seriously have to wonder if you people have ever watched Nascar. There's always been a very small number of people who have dominated. Jimmie will dominate until the next team really figures something out and they may become the team to beat. The difference is, I won't be on here whining and complaining and calling them cheaters every week and accusing Nascar of making it so they win. Jimmie will still be competitive, but someone new always goes on some kind of streak. It's the nature of Nascar.

Of course Jimmie dominating right now isn't good for the sport as a whole. It's never good when a singled team dominates. Every driver out there has their fan base and we all want to see our guys win. So, a domination by anyone disappoints a lot of other fans. We all like to think our guy/guys can pull it off and it becomes disheartening when someone makes us feel like they really don't have a shot.

If some of you can't handle that, than by all means, quit watching. All this complaining and bad sportsmanship is really sickening. You don't have to like watching Jimmie win, but don't make ridiculous excuses/theories for why it's happening. The simple fact is, they are the best out there right now. They work extremely well together and have the skill and equipment to take advantage of that relationship. If they truly bothers you to the degree that you can't watch Nascar anymore, than i question that you were ever a true fan. True fans don't leave just because things don't go the way they'd like. I know. I've been a Lions fan my entire 39 years of life.

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Holy f*****g Christ you finally admitted that he's pushing it. What happened to Chad would never do that?
I have never said Chad would never cheat. I have always admitted it.

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The problem is not Jimmie/Chad. The problem is how many whining fans there are out there. That's always the problem win any person/team dominates any sport. Those who aren't fans of that person/team want to find excuses for the success, hence we get nonsense about cheating and let everyone examine Jimmie's car, blah blah blah..... I suppose Chad should just have to share his setups with every time out there eh?
I seriously have to wonder if you people have ever watched Nascar. There's always been a very small number of people who have dominated. Jimmie will dominate until the next team really figures something out and they may become the team to beat. The difference is, I won't be on here whining and complaining and calling them cheaters every week and accusing Nascar of making it so they win. Jimmie will still be competitive, but someone new always goes on some kind of streak. It's the nature of Nascar.
Of course Jimmie dominating right now isn't good for the sport as a whole. It's never good when a singled team dominates. Every driver out there has their fan base and we all want to see our guys win. So, a domination by anyone disappoints a lot of other fans. We all like to think our guy/guys can pull it off and it becomes disheartening when someone makes us feel like they really don't have a shot.
If some of you can't handle that, than by all means, quit watching. All this complaining and bad sportsmanship is really sickening. You don't have to like watching Jimmie win, but don't make ridiculous excuses/theories for why it's happening. The simple fact is, they are the best out there right now. They work extremely well together and have the skill and equipment to take advantage of that relationship. If they truly bothers you to the degree that you can't watch Nascar anymore, than i question that you were ever a true fan. True fans don't leave just because things don't go the way they'd like. I know. I've been a Lions fan my entire 39 years of life.
Whiny fans is what keeps nascar on their toes... if we fans did not whine jimmy and chad would cheat more than they already do and it would be chaos. Nascar ocasionally listens to the fans and does the right thing. I just wish they would catch the two, ban them, and let the rest of the chasers duke it out. Can I say it again...ANYONE BUT JIMMY PLEASE! Even Jr said it before he signed( he crashed and drove kyles car ...remember!) they have more horsepower and get up and go than anyone. He was amazed at their get up and go...so they are definately doing something with thier engine or set up....legal or not legal who knows...

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<quoted text>that is not a punishment last time it made jimmy stronger because chad could be at shop 24 7 and he just built better cars and was at track through cell phone and sametime instant message.Suspending the crew chief gives the team an advantage not a disadvantage...taking away points(lots of them- take him down to 6-12th) and sitting jimmy now that would be a punishment. They can bring the car but they have to start 43rd and jimmy can not drive.
By suspending the CC, I mean REALLY suspending him. He can not go to the shop, can not touch a race car and can't have contact with the team on race day...no cell phone calls, no IM's, nothing and if that means having an official sit on the pit box with the fill in guy then that's what they do.

As far as taking the driver out of the seat, I don't agree with that either....the driver may not even know what's been done to the car. Remember the magnets in the JGR nationwide cars...

Darcie - gotta disagree with you about not letting anyone caught cheating win the championship. Sometimes (probably not in Chad's case) things can get overlooked or the wrong parts used and the car will be illegal and not pass inspection but that may not be an attempt to cheat and I doubt most of the drivers even know about it.
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IMO Jimmie is a good driver. But whats being shoved down our throats is that hes the best. Without Knaus as his crew chief, it should be recognized that he would be just one of the drivers.
In one of the pre race interviews Chad said something that spoke volumes of why this team is so successful. Inhumanely successful. This is what Chad lives and breathes. He has no life outside this and this is all he thinks about. And that right there is why this team looks like their driver is superman.
Wheres the kryptonite?

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By suspending the CC, I mean REALLY suspending him. He can not go to the shop, can not touch a race car and can't have contact with the team on race day...no cell phone calls, no IM's, nothing and if that means having an official sit on the pit box with the fill in guy then that's what they do.
As far as taking the driver out of the seat, I don't agree with that either....the driver may not even know what's been done to the car. Remember the magnets in the JGR nationwide cars...
Darcie - gotta disagree with you about not letting anyone caught cheating win the championship. Sometimes (probably not in Chad's case) things can get overlooked or the wrong parts used and the car will be illegal and not pass inspection but that may not be an attempt to cheat and I doubt most of the drivers even know about it.
Jimmy openly admitted that chad was at the shop and they were talking to him on the cell and they even showed darian on his cell with chad during the race ...so to me that is not a suspension...when brought to nascars attention they said they can not control phone use or internet use, and chad was not suspended from shop either because they did and interview with him from the shop as well and he said he was working on cars for upcoming race . so his 6 race suspension was not a suspension at all and jimmy and chad won the championship so that why i say you want to hurt them dock them big pointsa and remove the driver. If you make it hurt bad enough it will stop... same thing with your children if the punishment fits the crime they will not do it again...and they learn a lesson.

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The problem is not Jimmie/Chad. The problem is how many whining fans there are out there. That's always the problem win any person/team dominates any sport. Those who aren't fans of that person/team want to find excuses for the success, hence we get nonsense about cheating and let everyone examine Jimmie's car, blah blah blah..... I suppose Chad should just have to share his setups with every time out there eh?
I seriously have to wonder if you people have ever watched Nascar. There's always been a very small number of people who have dominated. Jimmie will dominate until the next team really figures something out and they may become the team to beat. The difference is, I won't be on here whining and complaining and calling them cheaters every week and accusing Nascar of making it so they win. Jimmie will still be competitive, but someone new always goes on some kind of streak. It's the nature of Nascar.
Of course Jimmie dominating right now isn't good for the sport as a whole. It's never good when a singled team dominates. Every driver out there has their fan base and we all want to see our guys win. So, a domination by anyone disappoints a lot of other fans. We all like to think our guy/guys can pull it off and it becomes disheartening when someone makes us feel like they really don't have a shot.
If some of you can't handle that, than by all means, quit watching. All this complaining and bad sportsmanship is really sickening. You don't have to like watching Jimmie win, but don't make ridiculous excuses/theories for why it's happening. The simple fact is, they are the best out there right now. They work extremely well together and have the skill and equipment to take advantage of that relationship. If they truly bothers you to the degree that you can't watch Nascar anymore, than i question that you were ever a true fan. True fans don't leave just because things don't go the way they'd like. I know. I've been a Lions fan my entire 39 years of life.
I agree. Entirely.

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and if the teams knew up front this is the punishment and consequence to your actions ...you can bet they would not risk it and would run the grey stuff by nascar for approval before risking their chanpionship,driver rep or sponsorship...

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<quoted text>Jimmy openly admitted that chad was at the shop and they were talking to him on the cell and they even showed darian on his cell with chad during the race ...so to me that is not a suspension...when brought to nascars attention they said they can not control phone use or internet use, and chad was not suspended from shop either because they did and interview with him from the shop as well and he said he was working on cars for upcoming race . so his 6 race suspension was not a suspension at all and jimmy and chad won the championship so that why i say you want to hurt them dock them big pointsa and remove the driver. If you make it hurt bad enough it will stop... same thing with your children if the punishment fits the crime they will not do it again...and they learn a lesson.
Why should ANY driver be punished for what the crew chief does ?

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Well heres my opinion then. If it was say Kurt Busch you all would be doing the same thing to him. Doesn't matter who the driver is. Just happens that its JJ. So if it was Tony would you all be screaming conspiracy? Of course not. So do any of you look as good as Chandra? Probably not. I'm sure she couldn't care less what you haters think because she's happy with who she is. The wife of the best driver in Nascar! Bring it home Jimmie! Wooooooo!
Most likely, most of us posters look like Chandra's ass, or worse. I can't help being amused at all the crap posted here. Some people need to get a life other than sitting in front of a computer. Some others need to get their priorities straight. Some of us, including me, need to get busy unpacking and cleaning.(I finally found my other shoe!!!)

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By the way, I think JJ and the 48 team are doing a great job, and some people just can't stand it. If they weren't great, they wouldn't be where they are in the standings today. Okay, I'm ducking. Go ahead and throw your rotten tomatoes and eggs. I don't care!!!

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<quoted text>Jimmy openly admitted that chad was at the shop and they were talking to him on the cell and they even showed darian on his cell with chad during the race ...so to me that is not a suspension...when brought to nascars attention they said they can not control phone use or internet use, and chad was not suspended from shop either because they did and interview with him from the shop as well and he said he was working on cars for upcoming race . so his 6 race suspension was not a suspension at all and jimmy and chad won the championship so that why i say you want to hurt them dock them big pointsa and remove the driver. If you make it hurt bad enough it will stop... same thing with your children if the punishment fits the crime they will not do it again...and they learn a lesson.
I agree that's what has happened in the past. The whole suspension thing is a joke. But I do think they can control the internet and cell phone use during a race. And since most all the shops are right in the Charlotte area why not say the suspended person can not be at the shop...do a few surprise visits and if he's there dock them another 500 points. I do think the points deduction needs to be more for deliberate cheating, the monetary fines mean nothing to these guys.

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Most likely, most of us posters look like Chandra's ass, or worse. I can't help being amused at all the crap posted here. Some people need to get a life other than sitting in front of a computer. Some others need to get their priorities straight. Some of us, including me, need to get busy unpacking and cleaning.(I finally found my other shoe!!!)
haha. It wasn't a croc was it? I moved here over a year ago and I still have a couple boxes I haven't unpacked so I guess its nothing I needed.

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By suspending the CC, I mean REALLY suspending him. He can not go to the shop, can not touch a race car and can't have contact with the team on race day...no cell phone calls, no IM's, nothing and if that means having an official sit on the pit box with the fill in guy then that's what they do.
As far as taking the driver out of the seat, I don't agree with that either....the driver may not even know what's been done to the car. Remember the magnets in the JGR nationwide cars...
Darcie - gotta disagree with you about not letting anyone caught cheating win the championship. Sometimes (probably not in Chad's case) things can get overlooked or the wrong parts used and the car will be illegal and not pass inspection but that may not be an attempt to cheat and I doubt most of the drivers even know about it.
I'm not so sure Nascar should have the right to determine whether or not a guy loses his job essentially. That's up to the team owners. They don't even do that with people violating the drug policy. If I am correct, they don't say, you can't have anything to do with the team. The team owner is the only one who has the right to punish their crew members appropriately.

But let's make a comparison here.

How many people are tired of seeing the Lakers win championships?

How about when the Yankees were dominating, did that hurt the sport?

How about Tiger Woods dominating?? Does that hurt golf??

The answer in the end is no. People don't stop watching races, or football games, or basketball or even golf because one guy does well. They have other reasons (mostly that they aren't a real fan in the first place) and their excuse is that someone's dominating.

The problem is that the whiners are the loudest. I'm sorry, I'm so tired of people complaining about what's wrong with Nascar.

I'm pretty sure he's going to win this one, and Nascar will take a look at the Chase. It's not that the Chase in itself is a bad idea, it's that the tracks at the end of the season tend to favor Jimmie. But someone did say to me yesterday, how do you find a track that doesn't favor him? He's that good.

My thought is: You randomize the last ten races. You of course would have to do this a couple of years in advance to help the venues properly prepare for their new race dates, but then at least it's unknown on whether or not the Chase is going to favor any one driver. Also, include a road course. Let's make these guys, all of them, show us how good they really are and how diverse they really are.

Like I said, people don't walk away from a sport because someone is dominating, and they certainly don't think that there's a conspiracy going on. I mean do ya'll think Tiger's doped up, or that the Lakers are paying off officials? Come on people, let's get real.

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As I recall Jimmie ran well when Chad was out.

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By the way, I think JJ and the 48 team are doing a great job, and some people just can't stand it. If they weren't great, they wouldn't be where they are in the standings today.
I love it when you and I find something to agree on, LOL!

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My thought is: You randomize the last ten races. You of course would have to do this a couple of years in advance to help the venues properly prepare for their new race dates, but then at least it's unknown on whether or not the Chase is going to favor any one driver. Also, include a road course. Let's make these guys, all of them, show us how good they really are and how diverse they really are.
Patti, I agree with *everything* you said--and I think this would be an excellent idea. It would definitely make it more interesting. And I think it's just wrong that there's no road course in the Chase. But then, I'm actually one of those fans who really enjoys watching road course racing (maybe because I come from a SCCA racing background, which is mostly road courses?).

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