Mark Martin Caught in The Big One at Talladega

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Batesville native Mark Martin entered the Amp Energy 500 hoping to pop a tab into Jimmie Johnson's 118 point lead.

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“I am who I am”

Since: Nov 07

I don't need your permission!

#1 Nov 1, 2009
What a shame.

“How We Roll”

Since: Nov 08

Area 51, Nevada

#2 Nov 1, 2009
"Three time defending Sprint Cup champion Jimmie Johnson avoided both big accidents of the day to finish 8th."

Errr... I think JJ was 6th. And a damn fine 5th place finish that was. Chad never fails to impress me.
Marc

Clarksville, TN

#3 Nov 1, 2009
Looks like Johnson is 187 point out front with three races to go. So much for the Chase to prevent that and keep things exciting through Holmstead! The 2009 champ is identified way too early.

“How We Roll”

Since: Nov 08

Area 51, Nevada

#4 Nov 1, 2009
Marc wrote:
Looks like Johnson is 187 point out front with three races to go. So much for the Chase to prevent that and keep things exciting through Holmstead! The 2009 champ is identified way too early.
lol Not.
The champ was identified exactly when he should have been, in 2008, when the 48 team said they don't see why they cant make 4 in a row. History in the making - it was pretty obvious. There's nothing in the 48 team stats that suggests they won't hand everyone's ass to them. LOL
Avenger

Twinsburg, OH

#5 Nov 2, 2009
Let me get this out there: I cannot stand Jimmie Johnson, Jeff Gordon, Dale Jr, or anybody else at Hendrick. EXCEPT Mark Martin. I've been a Martin fan since I was a kid. So Hendrick or not, he was my pick to win the Championship.

I will freely admit that JJ and Gordon are excellent drivers. It is the LUCK that I hate so much. Yeah, Knaus made a good call, but when big wrecks happen just behind JJ or even ALL AROUND HIM and he doesn't get a scratch, the sheer luck IRKS me. The same thing happened to Gordon from '95-'98. Don;t tell me it's skill, because all JJ does is drive a straight line and keep his foot on the gas (as he should), but there seems to be some kind of magical force field around that car. Oh well, Gordon's luck finally ran out, and Jimmie's will someday, too. I just hate it for Mark Martin. He has always suffered the opposite: His luck has ALWAYS given out at championship time. He can be in the same situation, straight ahead, foot on the gas, BOOM! Outta nowhere.

I know this is not a conspiracy or whatever, though I have doubts about NASCAR's propensity for throwing cautions when "certain drivers" need a chance to catch up. I know it is just plain old luck, nothing Jimmie and Chad are doing or not doing to cause it.

That doesn't mean I have to like it. Mark Martin DESERVES this championship. But Fate seems only interested in kicking his butt.
alpinedigital wrote:
"Three time defending Sprint Cup champion Jimmie Johnson avoided both big accidents of the day to finish 8th."
Errr... I think JJ was 6th. And a damn fine 5th place finish that was. Chad never fails to impress me.

Since: Apr 07

United States

#6 Nov 2, 2009
Marc wrote:
Looks like Johnson is 187 point out front with three races to go. So much for the Chase to prevent that and keep things exciting through Holmstead! The 2009 champ is identified way too early.
No.

Some championships under the old systems identified the champ earlier than this.

Give credit where credit is due...

The 48 team CONSISTANTLY makes good decisions. THEY RACE SMARTER than anyone else and maximize their situations. The Cup season is a year-long chess match and nobody plays the game better than Knaus. Talladega was not a situation where they had to race hard, and they, to their credit held back while everybody else was beatin' and bangin' to play catch up.

The Chase is about consistancy.

In the last four years, the team that has shown you the most consistant excellence has been right where they are now - In the best position to make history.

The first four-time back, to back, to back, to back NASCAR Cup champ is a reflection of the team that supports him, and Chad Knaus is showing that he is motorsports most influentual leader.
Mr Consistency

Cape Coral, FL

#7 Nov 2, 2009
Avenger wrote:
Let me get this out there: I cannot stand Jimmie Johnson, Jeff Gordon, Dale Jr, or anybody else at Hendrick. EXCEPT Mark Martin. I've been a Martin fan since I was a kid. So Hendrick or not, he was my pick to win the Championship.
I will freely admit that JJ and Gordon are excellent drivers. It is the LUCK that I hate so much. Yeah, Knaus made a good call, but when big wrecks happen just behind JJ or even ALL AROUND HIM and he doesn't get a scratch, the sheer luck IRKS me. The same thing happened to Gordon from '95-'98. Don;t tell me it's skill, because all JJ does is drive a straight line and keep his foot on the gas (as he should), but there seems to be some kind of magical force field around that car. Oh well, Gordon's luck finally ran out, and Jimmie's will someday, too. I just hate it for Mark Martin. He has always suffered the opposite: His luck has ALWAYS given out at championship time. He can be in the same situation, straight ahead, foot on the gas, BOOM! Outta nowhere.
I know this is not a conspiracy or whatever, though I have doubts about NASCAR's propensity for throwing cautions when "certain drivers" need a chance to catch up. I know it is just plain old luck, nothing Jimmie and Chad are doing or not doing to cause it.
That doesn't mean I have to like it. Mark Martin DESERVES this championship. But Fate seems only interested in kicking his butt.
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Right On, brother.

Trophy be damned...MARK MARTIN is every bit a CHAMPION of NASCAR...moreso than some that have won the trophy.

“How We Roll”

Since: Nov 08

Area 51, Nevada

#8 Nov 2, 2009
Avenger wrote:
Mark Martin DESERVES this championship. But Fate seems only interested in kicking his butt.
<quoted text>
Nope. No way somebody who didnt rightfully earn their championship deserves the same as somebody who did earn it. I respect he's a great racer but 'champion' is something you get the hard way, by having it assigned to after earning it and not as a charity case.
Its Fixed

Taylorsville, NC

#9 Nov 2, 2009
Wasn't it nice of Nascar to wait until Jimmy pitted before they threw the red flag.
Not-a-JJFan

Houston, TX

#10 Nov 2, 2009
I thought I was the only one that noticed that. As usual NASCAR "creates" the LUCK for JJ and a handful of others. I'm done with NASCAR. Back to my roots at the local tracks where all the drivers race from the drop of the green flag.
The Fat and the Furious

Novi, MI

#11 Nov 2, 2009
Its Fixed wrote:
Wasn't it nice of Nascar to wait until Jimmy pitted before they threw the red flag.
Wasn't it stupid of the drivers who ran out of gas not to pit? They had the same opportunity to have pulled into the pits that Jimmie had, but I guess they didn't have the smarts. Didn't exactly take a genius to figure out that it was going to go green/white/checkered at that point and when your wondering if your going to make it without those extra laps, pretty stupid to just go ahead and run out.
NASCAR BLOWS

AOL

#12 Nov 2, 2009
The Fat and the Furious wrote:
<quoted text>Wasn't it stupid of the drivers who ran out of gas not to pit? They had the same opportunity to have pulled into the pits that Jimmie had, but I guess they didn't have the smarts. Didn't exactly take a genius to figure out that it was going to go green/white/checkered at that point and when your wondering if your going to make it without those extra laps, pretty stupid to just go ahead and run out.


Hey stupid, JJ had nothing to lose by pitting from the back...

NASCAR blew it again...they had them running yellow for laps far too long until they started running out of gas. Watch the last bit again.

“How We Roll”

Since: Nov 08

Area 51, Nevada

#13 Nov 2, 2009
NASCAR BLOWS wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey stupid, JJ had nothing to lose by pitting from the back...
NASCAR blew it again...they had them running yellow for laps far too long until they started running out of gas. Watch the last bit again.
Everything looks like a conspiracy to somebody looking for evidence of it. If Johnson finished 10th, you'd be figuring out some way of how he should have finished 11th.

Stupid is as stupid does... your name shows exactly what stupid does: Spend what little life you have on a forum for a subject that 'blows'.

John

Mooresville, NC

#14 Nov 2, 2009
I hate it that happened to Mark...As usual, he was minding his own business at Talladega and again was caught up in someone else's mess.

He also said over the radio the that this was the first time he had ever been turned over on the track. Said it has never happened to him before. In nearly 30 years of racing, I found that rather interesting. Can anyone else ever recall him going over? I remember him driving under Ricky Craven's airbone ride years ago at Dega.

Had he not pitted for fuel, he would not have been in that position. I am still not sure why he did it, as he was one of the few cars that topped off before the last long green run and still had fuel pressure. Even had he ran out, the result would have likely been the same, altough the car might have been in one piece.

At least he has 2 more years in Hendrick equipment full time. He and Alan are only going to get better.

“"drive for five in'10"”

Since: Jan 07

Your the Man!

#15 Nov 2, 2009
The Fat and the Furious wrote:
<quoted text>Wasn't it stupid of the drivers who ran out of gas not to pit? They had the same opportunity to have pulled into the pits that Jimmie had, but I guess they didn't have the smarts. Didn't exactly take a genius to figure out that it was going to go green/white/checkered at that point and when your wondering if your going to make it without those extra laps, pretty stupid to just go ahead and run out.
Exactly! The crew chiefs were telling their drivers they might not have enough to make it and did not call then in. Jimmie and chad have been there, done that and it cost them the race. It was great strategy on their part and got them in a good position. Had there been more laps That would have been Jimmie's race.
The Fat and the Furious

Novi, MI

#16 Nov 2, 2009
NASCAR BLOWS wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey stupid, JJ had nothing to lose by pitting from the back...
NASCAR blew it again...they had them running yellow for laps far too long until they started running out of gas. Watch the last bit again.
Hey dumbass! I don't need to watch it again. I saw a smart call and some bad decisions. Like I said previously, those guys were struggling to make it if the race went the distance, so those extra laps should have been a clue that they might run out. If they took that chance, more power to them. Didn't exactly pay off for some of them though, did it? Those are the breaks. You win some on those calls and you lose some.

Also, my post was in response to the foolish people who were trying to act like Jimmie was allowed to pit and not the rest of the field. I understand why some of those guys would chance the fuel mileage thing, just like it was a no brainer for Jimmie to come into the pits. It ended up being a wise decision for the 48 and a not so wise decision for some others. My point was more that everyone had the opportunity to come in the pits when Jimmie did, not that I necessarily expected that everyone would or should.

“lets go matt!!!!!”

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#17 Nov 3, 2009
thats what you get when you go to dega
4Martingal

Russell Springs, KY

#18 Nov 6, 2009
I've never met Mark Martin (wished I could) but I think that mark would want to win a Championship by driving his brains out instead of being lucky that "someone had bad luck and finished dead last"..It just seems like it would mean more to him to know he just flat out..out drove them.....By no means am I saying Jimmie can't drive...he can and has proved it but boy he sure does have alot of good luck....

Since: Nov 09

Webb City, MO

#19 Nov 7, 2009
4Martingal wrote:
I've never met Mark Martin (wished I could) but I think that mark would want to win a Championship by driving his brains out instead of being lucky that "someone had bad luck and finished dead last"..It just seems like it would mean more to him to know he just flat out..out drove them.....By no means am I saying Jimmie can't drive...he can and has proved it but boy he sure does have alot of good luck....
To a certain extent, he would. On the other hand, drivers know its a matter of putting yourself in position to win, if its a rain-shortened race or runs too late into the night, or whatever the case may be. Fuel strategy finishes as well - its about positioning yourself to get awarded for whatever events occur during a race.

In the case of Talladega, he knew he had really bad luck but he felt that bad luck streak has to end sometime, and for most of the race it DID.

Good job, Martin, for driving your tail off throughout that race but in the end, it's about being smart, not being fast. Being a champion takes both, and having the wisdom to know when to apply it. Tally is one bitch you don't get cocky and press your luck with. She'll smack the crap out of you for that. She's the crowned Queen of Irony and making an example of somebody is one of her favorite pass times...

Ryan Newman said himself he was outspoken about cars getting airborne... How ironic that he'd have one of the wildest COT rides and have to hang upside down for 8 minutes thinking about it. I love this incredible bitch of a track for that kinda stuff... love her forever! ;)

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