Jimmie Johnson: NASCAR Rigging the Ra...

Jimmie Johnson: NASCAR Rigging the Race is Crazy

There are 56 comments on the Bleacher Report story from Jun 22, 2010, titled Jimmie Johnson: NASCAR Rigging the Race is Crazy. In it, Bleacher Report reports that:

In the past 24 hours, the Internet has been lighting up with accusations that Sunday's race at Sonoma was a fixed affair.

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The Fat and the Furious

Belleville, MI

#21 Jun 26, 2010
*Yawn*

“How We Roll”

Since: Nov 08

Area 51, Nevada

#22 Jun 26, 2010
The Fat and the Furious wrote:
*Yawn*
Hey Furious one... what is your take on this? So many people say Jr had more power. It wouldn't shock me, but I would argue for or against it until there's enough evidence for me to make up my mind one way or another.
Cheers For Kyle

Winter Garden, FL

#23 Jul 1, 2010
2FST488 wrote:
<quoted text> JJ is dominant @ some races tracks and finds a way to win at others. If anyone is a winer it's the 48 Haters. NOBODY has more wins since he began Sprint Cup racing. Chad is the best crew chief out their, period. Come Chase time yall gonna find out it's the "Jimmie & Chad Show" once again. CROWN EM'!!!
I'm lost --what does drinking wine have to do with racing? Are you saying they drink wine???
Cheers For Kyle

Winter Garden, FL

#24 Jul 1, 2010
menards wrote:
"Fixing" a race is, at least by me, defined as "faciltating the outcome of a race"
For example: First, Mysterious "debris" cautions that serve no other purpose other than to bunch up the field, cause further wrecks, bring more cautions, etc. Too many examples of this to list.
Second, Rules are heavily enforced for certian drivers and lax for others. Apples to apples example would be Dale Jr passing Matt kenseth below the yellow line at dega to take the lead. It was blatent. JR was not a penalized and given the win. Countless others had their win taken away and assigned a finish position by NA$CAR.
Third, Restrictor plate races: There is ONE variable to a restrictor plate race. Guess what that is? Restrictor plates are issued and installed by nascar and they have em in all sizes. Once Geoff Bodine laid down a fast lap during testing, the time was disallowed and NA$CAR responded with "We accidently gave him a bigger plate. Our Bad"
Shall we go on? Sure there are going to be the dummies that think the "fix" theory means that drivers ABC are going to finish 123. Thats ridiculous. The driver still has to drive the laps and keep the car intact.
But, NA$CAR has a vested interest certian drivers running upfront and they bend the rules to ensure that happens (facilitating the outcome, or "fixing"). You wanted a definition. thats mine.
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I agree totally. I have been a NASCAR fan since the first Daytona race and the instances of what you refer to are too numerous to list. What is so sad there is nothing that can be done about it. That is what happens when you are dealing with a monopoly.

“How We Roll”

Since: Nov 08

Area 51, Nevada

#25 Jul 1, 2010
menards wrote:
"Fixing" a race is, at least by me, defined as "faciltating the outcome of a race"
Mysterious debris cautions, and rules unfairly enforced... to me that shows favoritism and could be used in an effort to fix a race, but I wouldn't draw conclusions or yell conspiracy. Sports events are run by officials that are human, and the human equation won't always 'facilitate' a perfectly fair outcome.
menards wrote:
"There is ONE variable to a restrictor plate race. Guess what that is?"
I'm guessing that somehow you don't really think everything else in each of 43 cars is exactly the same, even though you claim there's no other variables.
menards wrote:
Sure there are going to be the dummies that think the "fix" theory means that drivers ABC are going to finish 123.
Well that simply means they define the term differently. Nobody will doubt that NASCAR makes a bad call now and then. I don't doubt they'd throw a caution to make the race more exciting. FFS, they adjusted the points system, didn't they?

So we just use different terms but agree the end result is the same. You say NASCAR 'fixes' races; I say NASCAR (allegedly) gave Junior a cheat, interferes, and show favoritism, etc. Just that in my mind it sounds real stupid to say they 'fix' a race because that implies a guaranteed result.
Cheers For Kyle

Winter Garden, FL

#26 Jul 2, 2010
menards wrote:
NA$CAR fixing races is nothing new, they have been doing it for years now. This latest incident reminds me of when Robby Gordon's telemetry box mysteriously caught fire at the glen while he was leading late in the race a couple of years back.
Menards, what did you think about this one tonight.
cletus bush

Montezuma, GA

#27 Jul 3, 2010
well last night the race was rigged for dale jr to win ,nascar has been losing money and attendance so what did they tell all drivers before race closed meeting earlier ,that race was staged for jr to win look at the speed times

“How We Roll”

Since: Nov 08

Area 51, Nevada

#28 Jul 3, 2010
cletus bush wrote:
well last night the race was rigged for dale jr to win ,nascar has been losing money and attendance so what did they tell all drivers before race closed meeting earlier ,that race was staged for jr to win look at the speed times
Rigging a race sounds logical but you can't accommodate for human behavior. Especially not 43 race teams. You can't guarantee fast pit stops. You can't predict handling changes with the new cars. There's just too many variables you can never account for because a zillion things could occur that would ruin the effort.

It's SO much simpler and more believable to say they prepared for the race far more because its a special event, much the same way the 48 dominated the Lowes' races at one time. I didn't think they rigged anything for those races, I just believe a great race team that wants it bad enough might put more time and effort into making it happen.

Oh yeah, not to mention money. I mean, if it's said that Hendrick is so dominant because of $$ then how is it so hard to imagine they can afford to go that extra mile but some other driver with the resources needs the race to be rigged? I mean, its not like he wrecked and went laps down and had a bunch of cautions and lucky dogs and a few miracles... he simply drove the car and the car was fast and Sr probably told him more drafting tricks than most drivers will ever hear.
WWE CRASHCAR 2010

Trumbull, CT

#29 Jul 3, 2010
NASCAR is throwing a completion yellow at lap 15, more WWE non-sense from NASCAR.
becky

Lawrenceville, GA

#30 Jul 4, 2010
I don't even know how in the hell nascar could rig a race with 43 cars on the track. Do you think they pay off 43 owners or drivers to let jj win. Wake up and realize Jimmie is a great race car driver. Did they rig the races when Dale Sr. was winning. Maybe some of you idiots had a brain you would think before you open your mouth and make such a stupid comment as that. If you feel that way don't watch.

“How We Roll”

Since: Nov 08

Area 51, Nevada

#31 Jul 4, 2010
WWE CRASHCAR 2010 wrote:
NASCAR is throwing a completion yellow at lap 15, more WWE non-sense from NASCAR.
Racefans already understand the need for the 'completion' yellow.

lol
cletus bush

Montezuma, GA

#32 Jul 4, 2010
alpinedigital wrote:
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Rigging a race sounds logical but you can't accommodate for human behavior. Especially not 43 race teams. You can't guarantee fast pit stops. You can't predict handling changes with the new cars. There's just too many variables you can never account for because a zillion things could occur that would ruin the effort.
It's SO much simpler and more believable to say they prepared for the race far more because its a special event, much the same way the 48 dominated the Lowes' races at one time. I didn't think they rigged anything for those races, I just believe a great race team that wants it bad enough might put more time and effort into making it happen.
Oh yeah, not to mention money. I mean, if it's said that Hendrick is so dominant because of $$ then how is it so hard to imagine they can afford to go that extra mile but some other driver with the resources needs the race to be rigged? I mean, its not like he wrecked and went laps down and had a bunch of cautions and lucky dogs and a few miracles... he simply drove the car and the car was fast and Sr probably told him more drafting tricks than most drivers will ever hear.
believe me it was staged look at last night.jr needs to get off of whatever he is on he couldnt even talk after race,rindrick well he layed of 32 workers at end of year even rich people can go broke drafting what tricks dont let them give you all that fancy talk any fool can drive a race car daytona just hold the gas wide open ive been there my self i know they got the public fooled did you look on superstrench no people in 2008 it was packed you need ot get your firgures straight and quit drinking all that budweiser bud,that race was staged friday nite for sure it was all about money which is fine you do what you got to do but somepeople you cant fool all the time

“How We Roll”

Since: Nov 08

Area 51, Nevada

#33 Jul 4, 2010
cletus bush wrote:
<quoted text>believe me it was staged look at last night.jr needs to get off of whatever he is on he couldnt even talk after race,rindrick well he layed of 32 workers at end of year even rich people can go broke drafting what tricks dont let them give you all that fancy talk any fool can drive a race car daytona just hold the gas wide open ive been there my self i know they got the public fooled did you look on superstrench no people in 2008 it was packed you need ot get your firgures straight and quit drinking all that budweiser bud,that race was staged friday nite for sure it was all about money which is fine you do what you got to do but somepeople you cant fool all the time
Rewind that BS and stick some punctuation in and try again.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#34 Jul 6, 2010
Honestly, i didnt watch either race. Not a surprising outcome. NA$CAR is really hurting for ratings and maybe the wrangler car gave them a little bit of a boost.
Cheers For Kyle wrote:
<quoted text> Menards, what did you think about this one tonight.
acrim

Manhattan Beach, CA

#36 Jul 6, 2010
NA$CRAP has been fixed for years...timed yellows and disqualifications (or not) for reasons unknown to anyone outside of the kingdom. Does anyone really think ol Jooooooonnnnnyyyyyyyrrrrr won the Nationwide race at Daytona in the #3 without some help?!? He has proved that he can't get it done in the best car, with the best team, and with all the sponsor money in the world...until a plate race with the #3...hmmmmm
WWE CRASHCAR 2010

Florham Park, NJ

#37 Jul 6, 2010
This is the post race inspection team Helton and France assigned to check Jr's car. It's the same bunch who used to inspect Dale Sr's # 3.

http://www.google.com/imgres...
whoaskedyou

Elmira, CA

#38 Jul 6, 2010
menards wrote:
Honestly, i didnt watch either race. Not a surprising outcome. NA$CAR is really hurting for ratings and maybe the wrangler car gave them a little bit of a boost.
<quoted text>
honestly,i didnt watch nothing but i will come here and run my mouth for the heck of it,im an idiot

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#39 Jul 6, 2010
Two words: Free Country

Im entitled to voice my opinion, as are you. Funny how no one on here as an even remotely valid argument that NA$CAR doesnt rig the races. I guess deep down we all know that they are as fake as the prank phone calls on morning radio programs.
whoaskedyou wrote:
<quoted text>
im an idiot

“How We Roll”

Since: Nov 08

Area 51, Nevada

#40 Jul 6, 2010
menards wrote:
Two words: Free Country
Im entitled to voice my opinion, as are you. Funny how no one on here as an even remotely valid argument that NA$CAR doesnt rig the races. I guess deep down we all know that they are as fake as the prank phone calls on morning radio programs.
<quoted text>
lmao, back again I see. I think it was your turn to answer on the debate about the terminology.

"Just that in my mind it sounds real stupid to say they 'fix' a race because that implies a guaranteed result."

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#41 Jul 6, 2010
I answered that already. Go back and re-read!
alpinedigital wrote:
<quoted text>
lmao, back again I see. I think it was your turn to answer on the debate about the terminology.
"Just that in my mind it sounds real stupid to say they 'fix' a race because that implies a guaranteed result."

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