Messy: Kahne rekindles phantom-debris issue

Oct 12, 2009 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Winston-Salem Journal

It was just a little more than two years ago when two-time series champion Tony Stewart accused NASCAR officials of "playing God" by manipulating races through phantom debris cautions.

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Krissy Kahne

United States

#1 Oct 13, 2009
Waah I saw the debris it was shown on tv now go on to the spa and get those toes done.

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#2 Oct 13, 2009
Maybe,but its a well known fact they call "debris" cautions occasionally to tighten up the field...but he shouldnt have said it out loud..

Since: Dec 06

Minneapolis, MN

#3 Oct 13, 2009
They do it all the time. NASCAR wants to controll the out come of the race. If the want to keep fans they better pull their heads out and let the drivers race. Fans are sick of seeing the same ole same ole year after year. NASCAR is no longer exctiting it has become boring.

“Smoke Fan Forever!!!”

Since: Sep 07

Look to the Western Sky!!!!

#4 Oct 13, 2009
I said this somewhere else, but had they not thrown it and someone blew a tire, someone would be complaining about that too. So like the article said, err on the side of caution.
The Fat and the Furious

Sterling Heights, MI

#5 Oct 13, 2009
14_Patti_18 wrote:
I said this somewhere else, but had they not thrown it and someone blew a tire, someone would be complaining about that too. So like the article said, err on the side of caution.
Also, the same people that complain, are the same ones who complain when someone wins by 6/7/8 secs. over the field. I agree that Nascar has thrown some cautions that were suspect over the years (this wasn't one of those) but part of the reason is the constant complaints about the races being boring and dominated by someone. People can't have it both ways. I guess the gist of my post is, people are going to complain about something no matter what happens.

“Life”

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#6 Oct 13, 2009
I was just surprised that little Kasey said it! Didn't think he had it in him.

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#7 Oct 13, 2009
What I would like to know . Is why the divers throw there water bottles on the track ? Some of the cautions are for water bottles .

“No Name, No Slogan”

Since: Jun 08

Dover, OH

#8 Oct 13, 2009
PEDDLE FASTER wrote:
I was just surprised that little Kasey said it! Didn't think he had it in him.
Maybe he finally reached puberty...
Raising Kahne

Charlotte, NC

#9 Oct 13, 2009
IK love the fact that he speaking his mine He should tell on George Gillett next for saying he was a nice young man but not good with the media.

“Jessy Joyal”

Since: Oct 09

Centerville, MA

#10 Oct 13, 2009
Good for Kahne for speaking out about what everyone was thinking. We need more drivers like him out there.

“smoke”

Since: Dec 07

Life is short, be nice!

#11 Oct 13, 2009
NYSMILE_1969 wrote:
What I would like to know . Is why the divers throw there water bottles on the track ? Some of the cautions are for water bottles .
thats a gray area! LOL some would say it is to bring out a caution, Robby Gordon perfers foam off the roll bar to bring out a caution! I told my husband water bottles to the drivers should be marked! if we pick yours up you get a drive thru penalty! I think most cautions comefrom the fans though it seems like! WHY do they put wrappers on those darn hot dogs!

“Life”

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#12 Oct 13, 2009
Holy Handgrenade wrote:
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Maybe he finally reached puberty...
You mean he has to air dry after showering now?

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#13 Oct 13, 2009
interstate wrote:
<quoted text>thats a gray area! LOL some would say it is to bring out a caution, Robby Gordon perfers foam off the roll bar to bring out a caution! I told my husband water bottles to the drivers should be marked! if we pick yours up you get a drive thru penalty! I think most cautions comefrom the fans though it seems like! WHY do they put wrappers on those darn hot dogs!
Same with the window tears off.What ever crew member that tears them off should make sure they do not get out on the track. JMO
pete

AOL

#14 Oct 13, 2009
when you get debris calls for a helmet tearoff ,thats because j.j. needs to pit!!
Jake

Indianapolis, IN

#15 Oct 14, 2009
NYSMILE_1969 wrote:
What I would like to know . Is why the divers throw there water bottles on the track ? Some of the cautions are for water bottles .
Carl Edwards is the master
at throwing water bottles. I contacted Nascar about him and I am not seeing him do it now.
Carolyn

Harmonsburg, PA

#16 Oct 14, 2009
Jake wrote:
<quoted text>Carl Edwards is the master
at throwing water bottles. I contacted Nascar about him and I am not seeing him do it now.
Was he ever penalized? What did Nascar do to Robby Gordon when he threw that piece of rubber foam, or whatever it was he threw out?

Since: Dec 06

Minneapolis, MN

#17 Oct 14, 2009
Well then NASCAR needs to just have intermission. That way the fans can get up and move around and NASCAR can "clean" the track. I am joking here.

I like the idea of a pass threw for thoughing stuff on the track.

“Smoke Fan Forever!!!”

Since: Sep 07

Look to the Western Sky!!!!

#18 Oct 14, 2009
I don't get why they don't just leave the empty ones in the car and when they pit they can throw it out the window before they drive off, then their pit crew can pick it up.

Since: Dec 06

Minneapolis, MN

#19 Oct 14, 2009
Well gee Patti that would be to good of an idea.

I love the I want something to eat next pit stop. Yeah eat while driving 150 MPH.
Junior Nation

United States

#20 Oct 14, 2009
FOX and TNT have both been pretty good at showing the debris especially since Smoke called NASCAR out on it a couple of seasons ago. For some reason ESPN never shows the debris.. well except for the water bottle this time. When they don't show it, it really does make you think.

I've never seen them throw a cautions for a plastic bottle before. I thought it was a little strange since the drivers (CE especially) toss them out the window on a regular basis.

It will be interesting to see if they hold back on the debris cautions again like they did for a while after Smoke called them out.

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