NASCAR docks Kyle Busch 25 Nationwide points

There are 23 comments on the CBS SportsLine story from Nov 11, 2009, titled NASCAR docks Kyle Busch 25 Nationwide points. In it, CBS SportsLine reports that:

NASCAR has docked Kyle Busch 25 Nationwide points and fined crew chief Jason Ratcliff $5,000 after Busch's No.

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#21 Nov 14, 2009
Whoyakidding wrote:
<quoted text>I've already sent it to NASCAR feedback a half dozen times over the last couple of years. Even call Dave Moody on Sirius one afternoon and explained it. Dave says it wouldn't work because the moment one of the front runners got sent home, his fans and sponsor would raise so much hell so NASCAR would never use it. Years ago at a dirt track not too far from here, I saw the points leader get the win taken from him because his crew got caught trying to add weight to the car before he went to the scales. They disqualified him and threw out his points for the night and it cost him the track championship. He was the crowd favorite but I don't think I ever heard as much cheering as I did that night. I really surprised me. I was sponsoring a street stock at the time and the following season not a single car was caught cheating. That promoter also had a rule that if you hit another car on the first or last lap and passed him, he got his spot back and enforced it.
They need to start listening to what the fans have to say. Without the fans Nascar is not going to make it.I saw a big change this year at the
10 races I attended. I expect next year to be worse.

“IN GOD WE TRUST”

Since: Jun 07

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#22 Nov 14, 2009
snow wrote:
<quoted text> They need to start listening to what the fans have to say. Without the fans Nascar is not going to make it.I saw a big change this year at the
10 races I attended. I expect next year to be worse.
The problem for NASCAR is figuring out what of all the fans have to say, is meaningful or has merit. I'd love to see them just send the teams home when they catch them fudging but maybe there really is consequences that I don't understand. 99.9 per cent of what a race fan says is base on emotion anyway, some of it rational, some not. You'd thing NASCAR would have a press release or something occassionally that would discuss their opinion or reasoning on issues that the media constantly bring up that are of concern to the fans. I'd love to see NASCAR move to a system with their officials and the calls they make that would take that part of the sport completely out of the hands of the NASCAR owners and put it in the hands of a committee elected by the NARCAR owners, car owners and licensed drivers. Let these people enforce the rules and levy the punishment. NASCAR is never going to do that though because it would mean putting into specific written language specific offenses and punishments and would do away the "conduct detrimental bullsh*t" catch all they use. It would treating everyone the same and that ain't going to happen.
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#23 Nov 15, 2009
Whoyakidding wrote:
I've been involved with stockcar racing at the local level and a fan of NASCAR for more years than I care to admit. Fines and docking points for cheating has never solved the problem at either venue. The only thing that I have seen that impacts on trying to push the rulebook is sending a team home. If NASCAR put a stipulation in the their entry form that gave them the right to confiscate a car found to be illegal before or after a race and to send the complete team home without anything to show for the weekend, it would make a real difference. Think about it, the driver would acculate no points, the cost building and bringing that car to the race would be lost, the car owner would accumulate no points, but most importantly, the sponsor would lose his exposure. It wouldn't a case of winning a bunch of money and then giving a little back. Everyone you raced against would gain on you.
If you have been involved in NASCAR Stock Car racing for as many years as you claim, you should understand the reason NASCAR does not take a win away for a post race failed inspection. This policy was put into place for valid reasons by the founder. AS for impounding cars, well, every year the winning car at the Daytona 500 is impounded for 12 months to be placed on display, exactly as raced with the same engine as used, by the time it is returned, many of the teams have built several new super speedway cars and do not use this car again, so taking the car away is not much of a penality. People, realize that Kyle Busch is a very, very gifted driver who has won with four different teams in the past two years on a constant basis. I know that he, at times can act very immature (Because he still is) and like a jerk, however, give him his due, he is most likely the most driven hard charging driver out there. I know many of you will bring up Jimmie Johnson and rightfully so, however, remember that Johnson wins within the most well funded team out there with a solid connection with a crew chief not seen since Gordon and Evernham.

Now, who can answer the question as to why NASCAR does not take wins away for post race inspection problems?

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