Jimmie Johnson: NASCAR Rigging the Race is Crazy

Jun 22, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Bleacher Report

In the past 24 hours, the Internet has been lighting up with accusations that Sunday's race at Sonoma was a fixed affair.

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Bill Waverly

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It is crooked like many sports. The most fixed game is college basketball!!! I will not watch it or nascar!!!!!
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good bill,we don't need another "fan" anyway!
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Heh, JJ is the Golden Boy in some racing circles and dogsh*t in others. If you want a culprit for this look NASCAR fieaco at his crew chief Chad Knaus !! He a bigger winer (not winner) than JJ. 8^(
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it was fair keep ur chin up mate we all proud of u
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I'm not one to believe that NASCAR rigs races but they do make it easier sometimes for some guys to do better or even worse than what they might have been faced with.
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nascar has been picking the winners for years .hendrick is running nascar !!!!!!
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Thom wrote:
Heh, JJ is the Golden Boy in some racing circles and dogsh*t in others. If you want a culprit for this look NASCAR fieaco at his crew chief Chad Knaus !! He a bigger winer (not winner) than JJ. 8^(
JJ is dominant @ some races tracks and finds a way to win at others. If anyone is a winer it's the 48 Haters. NOBODY has more wins since he began Sprint Cup racing. Chad is the best crew chief out their, period. Come Chase time yall gonna find out it's the "Jimmie & Chad Show" once again. CROWN EM'!!!
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barr wrote:
I'm not one to believe that NASCAR rigs races but they do make it easier sometimes for some guys to do better or even worse than what they might have been faced with.
Dale Earnhardt Sr didn't win 7 championships without a lot of help from the NASCAR ring leaders.

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NA$CAR fixing races is nothing new, they have been doing it for years now. This latest incident reminds me of when Robby Gordon's telemetry box mysteriously caught fire at the glen while he was leading late in the race a couple of years back.

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Oh how I love a good conspiracy. The first argument I'd want to see about NASCAR is how they can account for so many variables in order to 'fix' a race. But lets first define what is meant by 'FIX'. Is this to guarentee a winner, a loser, or what? Is it a slight 1 or 2 position fix like, getting a 3rd fastest car to win? Is it to avoid penalties or create cautions?

There are a LOT of different ways to 'adjust' the outcome of a race, but for each method that can be used, there's like a gazillion variables that don't support it. Lets say the easiest 'fix' is prevent a particular driver from winning: Let's say JPM at the brickyard. If he hadn't sped, how could they 'fix' it so somebody else would win? I mean, any specific occurrence also affects 42 other drivers, crew chiefs, pit crew performances, etc.

I think the only true 'fix' would be in the crew chief or driver's hands, to 'throw' a race. That's the only means of altering the finish of a specific car. There's so many variables that the mere effort of really fixing a race would be more trouble than it's worth.
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Let us not forget the biggest fixer in NASCAR history, the 2001 Pepsi 400.

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Let us not forget the biggest fixer in NASCAR history, the 2001 Pepsi 400.
Are you being serious, or just the usual hater BS I seem to remember from you? How is this race fixed?

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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"Fixing" a race is, at least by me, defined as "faciltating the outcome of a race"

For example: First, Mysterious "debris" cautions that serve no other purpose other than to bunch up the field, cause further wrecks, bring more cautions, etc. Too many examples of this to list.

Second, Rules are heavily enforced for certian drivers and lax for others. Apples to apples example would be Dale Jr passing Matt kenseth below the yellow line at dega to take the lead. It was blatent. JR was not a penalized and given the win. Countless others had their win taken away and assigned a finish position by NA$CAR.

Third, Restrictor plate races: There is ONE variable to a restrictor plate race. Guess what that is? Restrictor plates are issued and installed by nascar and they have em in all sizes. Once Geoff Bodine laid down a fast lap during testing, the time was disallowed and NA$CAR responded with "We accidently gave him a bigger plate. Our Bad"

Shall we go on? Sure there are going to be the dummies that think the "fix" theory means that drivers ABC are going to finish 123. Thats ridiculous. The driver still has to drive the laps and keep the car intact.

But, NA$CAR has a vested interest certian drivers running upfront and they bend the rules to ensure that happens (facilitating the outcome, or "fixing"). You wanted a definition. thats mine.
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Oh how I love a good conspiracy. The first argument I'd want to see about NASCAR is how they can account for so many variables in order to 'fix' a race. But lets first define what is meant by 'FIX'. Is this to guarentee a winner, a loser, or what? Is it a slight 1 or 2 position fix like, getting a 3rd fastest car to win? Is it to avoid penalties or create cautions?
There are a LOT of different ways to 'adjust' the outcome of a race, but for each method that can be used, there's like a gazillion variables that don't support it. Lets say the easiest 'fix' is prevent a particular driver from winning: Let's say JPM at the brickyard. If he hadn't sped, how could they 'fix' it so somebody else would win? I mean, any specific occurrence also affects 42 other drivers, crew chiefs, pit crew performances, etc.
I think the only true 'fix' would be in the crew chief or driver's hands, to 'throw' a race. That's the only means of altering the finish of a specific car. There's so many variables that the mere effort of really fixing a race would be more trouble than it's worth.

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Look at 3:15 in the video. Dale Jr passes at will with no help and STARTS TO PULL AWAY FROM THE FIELD. At this point in the race Dale JR radioed to his crew that he "Cant keep the throttle at 100% because HE IS PULLING AWAY FROM THE FIELD.

Mabey one of those less restrictive restrictor plates found its way into the #8 that day. Really the only way a car can PULL AWAY FROM THE FIELD. Do you have a clip of the jimmy spencer clip from after that race? How about a clip from the all star game when the annoucer asked dale if the fix was on?
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Are you being serious, or just the usual hater BS I seem to remember from you? How is this race fixed?
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Look at 3:15 in the video. Dale Jr passes at will with no help and STARTS TO PULL AWAY FROM THE FIELD. At this point in the race Dale JR radioed to his crew that he "Cant keep the throttle at 100% because HE IS PULLING AWAY FROM THE FIELD.
Mabey one of those less restrictive restrictor plates found its way into the #8 that day. Really the only way a car can PULL AWAY FROM THE FIELD. Do you have a clip of the jimmy spencer clip from after that race? How about a clip from the all star game when the annoucer asked dale if the fix was on?
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That video is very telling:

1. Jr seems to have power no others have; most likely a larger restrictor plate.

2. Even in 2001, the announcersseem to be leaders of the Jr nation fan club.

3. Only Jr is allowed to drive below the yellow line.

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Look at 3:15 in the video. Dale Jr passes at will with no help and STARTS TO PULL AWAY FROM THE FIELD.
Okay, all bickering aside...

Look at the moments leading up to 3:15. He had someone on his tail to pass somebody who lost the guy behind him. At 3:05 the 10 car has nobody taking the drag off his spoiler, Jr does. That's a big advantage.

The idea of equal racecars maneuvering to find the least amount of drag and gain the best aero advantage was what got me hooked on NASCAR. I began studying it and sim racing doesn't 100% accurate recreation of every variable but you do get the basics:

On entry, if your fronts are turned and slide AT ALL, you lose speed. Also, max speed = straight line; If at any point your radius is tighter, you're at a disadvantage. A car with no help using wider turns (as Dale was doing) avoids both those disadvantages.

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"A car with no help using wider turns (as Dale was doing) avoids both those disadvantages" AND SHOULD outrun a car with no help that's keeping a tight line on the bottom.

Lost part of what I was saying LOL

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WWE CRASHCAR 2010 wrote:
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That video is very telling:
1. Jr seems to have power no others have; most likely a larger restrictor plate.
2. Even in 2001, the announcersseem to be leaders of the Jr nation fan club.
3. Only Jr is allowed to drive below the yellow line.
Oh MAN I LOVE this stuff!! I'm analyzing this video and trying to find him keeping any sort of unnatural pace. I have to think this kid is simply a natural at drafting. It's like Dale Sr sat and explained a couple of tips that people don't put as high a priority on.

The very biggest thing is potential momentum. All cars in a line have it maxed, and any shuffling, steering drag, or loss of traction reduces that stored potential. The thing is, if you poke a nose out of line even for an instant, the potential you had stored will take a hit. Obviously, the key to making it look like you have extra horses is to minimize the number of times you waste your stored potential.

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While i agree with your explanation of simple physics, I heard with my own ears over the scanner Dale Jr radio to his crew that "Can't keep the throttle @100%....Im pulling away from the field"

If all cars had equal restrictor plates. all cars will essentially stay "in the draft" driving around in one big pack. how one negotiates the draft determines whether they are moving up or moving back in the pack. So how do we explain dale jr's car having so much power that he has to drive around with a lifted throttle just to keep the pack in tow?

Since you like logic so much, i think occum's razor applies to the 2001 pepsi 400.
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Okay, all bickering aside...
Look at the moments leading up to 3:15. He had someone on his tail to pass somebody who lost the guy behind him. At 3:05 the 10 car has nobody taking the drag off his spoiler, Jr does. That's a big advantage.
The idea of equal racecars maneuvering to find the least amount of drag and gain the best aero advantage was what got me hooked on NASCAR. I began studying it and sim racing doesn't 100% accurate recreation of every variable but you do get the basics:
On entry, if your fronts are turned and slide AT ALL, you lose speed. Also, max speed = straight line; If at any point your radius is tighter, you're at a disadvantage. A car with no help using wider turns (as Dale was doing) avoids both those disadvantages.

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"Can't keep the throttle @100%....Im pulling away from the field"

Yeah I heard that. I tend NOT to invest too much in anything he says, which at best is pretty inaccurate, and left to interpretation.

"If all cars had equal restrictor plates. all cars will essentially stay "in the draft" driving around in one big pack."

That's a great theory right up until race day when we see the cars break into 3 packs. However, the explanation for the cause would actually support your argument.

"So how do we explain dale jr's car having so much power that he has to drive around with a lifted throttle just to keep the pack in tow?"

Not saying he didn't have more power, just saying I don't see clear evidence.

Let's take what he said on the radio: Is it true and accurate, or exaggerated? For instance, "this thing handles like it's on rails!" is a typical exaggeration, and might only describe handling at the beginning of a run.'Can't keep the throttle 100%' may be accurate for a while, but I'd never accept he can just drive away unless I seen it with my own eyes. In fact, DALE can't even be certain until he did it.

"Since you like logic so much, i think occum's razor applies to the 2001 pepsi 400."

I like where this is going. Care to elaborate?

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