NASCAR's popularity dwindling

NASCAR's popularity dwindling

There are 34 comments on the Bangor Daily News story from Nov 26, 2009, titled NASCAR's popularity dwindling. In it, Bangor Daily News reports that:

Wishing you and all our soldiers, home and abroad, a happy and safe Thanksgivinga .. NASCARa s enormous popularity is waning and having a driver win four consecutive Sprint Cup championships, as Jimmie Johnson just did, isna t going to help the sport.

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“Don't Tell Me, Show Me”

Since: Nov 07

United States

#22 Dec 1, 2009
3TOES wrote:
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I normally agree with your posts, but this time, I am going to have to disagree. The Frances' cannot be stupid enough to place all their eggs in one basket, cause if you drop the basket, all the eggs will be broken, therefore, I can't see this all out campaign to put jr on top. Jr has already proven this year that he is not championship material, and doesn't have the desire to be a champion. NASCAR was here before the Earnhardts and NASCAR will survive without an Earnhardt, regardless what some people may think, the sport is bigger than any one entity, especially one that can only finish 25th in points with the best equipment. Jr may get an opportunity to win a race here and there, but he doesn't have what it takes to compete on a regular basis and bring out the best of the people around him, he is no Brett Favre..........
He is no Tim Tebow either, no that is a leader and and a guy who knows how to win.

Go Gators!

“Don't Tell Me, Show Me”

Since: Nov 07

United States

#23 Dec 1, 2009
Wang wrote:
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Ancient plvelb say: "A singre tlee makes no folest; one stling make no music."
You ale light on the money. Hendlick and NASCAL wolk togethel to make sule Dare Jl. succeed.
Hendlick and NASCAL folm own team: Clook and Clooked
Wang, do you rike the Froida Grators? They vely, vely good frootbrowl team.

Ole maybre you rike the Arabama Climsoln Tride?

I know, Wang rike the Rexas Wrnoghornes, cause Wang has a "Wrong Horene"

do you remberle me from Rowes Motre Spreedwray?
Smoke 2008

Farmington, CT

#24 Dec 2, 2009
Jrh8er wrote:
Don't worry NASCAR fans, the 2010 Daytona 500 script written , and the stage set for a Jr comeback victory.
Shakespeare could not write a better fable than what will be the 2010 season...
OK it,s official. You're a complete idiot. Geez Louise, you're like a rabid dog. Please seek help.

Since: Jul 08

United States

#25 Dec 2, 2009
As much as I would love to see Junior win another 500, I will laugh my ass off if he doesn't just to see what's her face proven wrong.

If Nascar wants their ratings to improve, fix that stupid car so that the racing is interesting, that horeshoe that's is stuck up Jimmie's butt needs to fall out, and the networks could stand to overhaul their broadcasting crew. Monkeys flinging turds at each other while the race is on would be more informative.

All in all, as long as my driver is out there racing, I will tune in. Unitl the NFL comes on. Then, sorry Nascar.
nascar fan

Cincinnati, OH

#26 Dec 2, 2009
nascar keeps saying that Jimmie Johnson has won four championships in a row but they don't say under new format. If the chase was around when richard petty was racing he might have four or five in a row because he was good in the last ten races and to win a championship is easier under new format because all you have to do is be in the top 12 in points and win most of the last ten races. I know most of the older drivers prefer the old points because I read the nascar scene.
Wang

Raleigh, NC

#27 Dec 3, 2009
Jrh8er wrote:
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Wang, do you rike the Froida Grators? They vely, vely good frootbrowl team.
Ole maybre you rike the Arabama Climsoln Tride?
I know, Wang rike the Rexas Wrnoghornes, cause Wang has a "Wrong Horene"
do you remberle me from Rowes Motre Spreedwray?
Yes, Wang rike the Gratols. Rooking vely folwald to SEC championship game.

Wang going by Rowes today on way to Waxhaw. Wang not abre to get youl pictule out of Wang's head. hubba hubba hubba
Wang

Raleigh, NC

#28 Dec 3, 2009
Smoke 2008 wrote:
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OK it,s official. You're a complete idiot. Geez Louise, you're like a rabid dog. Please seek help.
Wang disaglee.

It wirr be the Clook and Clooked show next yeal.
x jr fan

United States

#29 Dec 3, 2009
nascar fan wrote:
nascar keeps saying that Jimmie Johnson has won four championships in a row but they don't say under new format. If the chase was around when richard petty was racing he might have four or five in a row because he was good in the last ten races and to win a championship is easier under new format because all you have to do is be in the top 12 in points and win most of the last ten races. I know most of the older drivers prefer the old points because I read the nascar scene.
yup, he won 4 championships in 40 races and everybody thinks it's the greatest acomplishment, comparing the chase and the old way is like comparing wood to aluminum bats in baseball
acrim

Manhattan Beach, CA

#30 Dec 3, 2009
NA$CRAP sucks thanks to all the inbred management the runs this idiotic "sport". Car racing needs blindingly fast turns, real cars, danger, wrecks, cars cartwheeling through the infield while the pits are blowing up in the background. This is not supposed to be a stick and ball sport run where silly statistics rule the day. Points and championships mean nothing. The race at hand is all that matters in real racing.
The Fat and the Furious

United States

#31 Dec 3, 2009
x jr fan wrote:
<quoted text>yup, he won 4 championships in 40 races and everybody thinks it's the greatest acomplishment, comparing the chase and the old way is like comparing wood to aluminum bats in baseball
That sounds real good and all, but why don't we also mention that he has almost double the wins of any other driver in his 8 years in Cup. Not to mention the most top 5's and I believe the most top 10's. Tony and Jeff are close on top 5's and 10's. One of those 2 may even have a slight lead in top 10's. But, as I mentioned, Jimmie has almost double their win totals. So, let's not pretend like he's just gotten lucky here or something and has won championships based solely on his performance in the Chase. He has been (without argument, if you look at the numbers) the most dominating driver in the Cup series over his time there. I've already mentioned how the Chase changes how the season is approached, so once again, I'll not go into that.

Quite frankly, if you look at his numbers in those 8 years compared to everyone else's, they're probably all damn lucky that a little thing called the chase exists. I'm of the opinion that if the points were tallied up for the full 36, only Tony Stewart would have much of a shot at competing with Jimmie on a consistent basis up to this point.
x jr fan

United States

#32 Dec 3, 2009
The Fat and the Furious wrote:
<quoted text>That sounds real good and all, but why don't we also mention that he has almost double the wins of any other driver in his 8 years in Cup. Not to mention the most top 5's and I believe the most top 10's. Tony and Jeff are close on top 5's and 10's. One of those 2 may even have a slight lead in top 10's. But, as I mentioned, Jimmie has almost double their win totals. So, let's not pretend like he's just gotten lucky here or something and has won championships based solely on his performance in the Chase. He has been (without argument, if you look at the numbers) the most dominating driver in the Cup series over his time there. I've already mentioned how the Chase changes how the season is approached, so once again, I'll not go into that.
Quite frankly, if you look at his numbers in those 8 years compared to everyone else's, they're probably all damn lucky that a little thing called the chase exists. I'm of the opinion that if the points were tallied up for the full 36, only Tony Stewart would have much of a shot at competing with Jimmie on a consistent basis up to this point.
you're right, all i was pointing out is he would have won just 2 championships instead of 4 in a row if it were the old way, but you can't blame Johnson for the way the rules are.it is what it is
Mick B

United States

#33 Dec 3, 2009
Nascars popularity dwindling? When the fans finally figure out that they are getting fleeced. Cookie cutter race tracks and the COT cars will finally drive home the point to the CEOs of Nascar that they better make some changes and quick. The economy isnt going to change overnite and the product that Nascars sells every weekend is starting to bore even the most loyal of fans. The more empty high priced seats the better. And also the faster changes will made to make racing worth spending 3 hours of you time watching every weekend. The only way anything will be done to improve racing is for people to wake up to the fact that if they did quit watching that once the flow of cash dried up, changes would be made to make racing competetive again.And fast.
Thumper

Morganton, NC

#34 Dec 3, 2009
Nascar is not even a sport. it is a Southern redneck event. Most of the time it is centered around redneck drunks!!!
Hell my wife could drive around in a circle.
The Fat and the Furious

United States

#35 Dec 3, 2009
x jr fan wrote:
<quoted text>you're right, all i was pointing out is he would have won just 2 championships instead of 4 in a row if it were the old way, but you can't blame Johnson for the way the rules are.it is what it is
Yea, but I'm pointing out that there's no way to determine how many championships he might have won in the old point system. You can't take numbers acquired from the system the way it currently is and pretend like things would have been the same if they were racing in the old system. Like I mentioned, the way the system is currently set up, changes the way that every team out there approaches the entire year. Using the points from one system and trying to apply them to another system is pure conjecture.

Who knows. Jimmie might have zero championships if the old system was still in place or he just might have 6 in a row. There's no real way to determine if either of those is true, because we don't race in the old system anymore. We can only judge by the rules that exist right now, not what we may wish the system to be. Taking away credit from Jimmie and pretending like his championships mean less than others from the past is just wrong, because at the end of the day, you still have to be better than everyone else when it counts. It doesn't matter if that is through 36 races or 10. Everyone has an equal opportunity to compete regardless and that doesn't in any way devalue the championship.

You have to look at Jimmie's numbers not just in the chase, but in his 8 years in Cup. When you look at those numbers, they're comparable to the best who have ever raced in the Cup series. I'm not just talking about the 1 year wonders either, but the guys we all consider legends of the sport. I think that says something more for the argument, that regardless of the system, Jimmie would be right up there with those guys in success, despite what the system may be.

Can you imagine the 48 team approaching 36 races the way that they approach those last 10? That might almost be scary for the competition. I know it's easy to make the argument that they should approach all 36 that way, but there's no real reason to have to with the Chase format. The Chase allows teams in the top 2/3/4 in points to do some things they might not take a chance at in the old point system. We see it every year. Those top guys start trying some different set-ups for the cars when they feel safely in there, they try things like trying to stretch fuel mileage (ie Jimmie at MIS twice) They maybe don't go after that win as hard, because just accepting that top 5 will put them safely in the Chase and that's where the championship is won/lost (you gotta be in it to win it) etc... Those ways of approaching the season affect everyone out there too. We've seen it through 6 years of the chase. Those guys teetering to make it in either play it real safe or get desperate or sometimes a combination of both. The guys who feel safely in, take chances and try things nobody in their right mind would do if all 36 races counted to win it.

That's why I say time after time: You can't look at the numbers from this format and pretend like those numbers would be the same if the old system was still around. I look at what I see out there and who is performing, not only above the norm, but consistently above it. If you look at things from that perspective, than Jimmie stands out from the crowd. His numbers and consistency say, I'm the best out there right now. That's why I believe that, no matter the system, Jimmie would be just as dominating. Because, all the guys who performed at that level in Cup, were the ones who dominated racing through some span of their careers.

Who knows how long it will last at this level, but he deserves the same kudos as everyone else who was a step ahead through portions of their career.

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