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CUP: Yes, Jimmie Johnson Is NASCAR's Best Ever

There are 474 comments on the Fox News story from Nov 24, 2010, titled CUP: Yes, Jimmie Johnson Is NASCAR's Best Ever. In it, Fox News reports that:

The argument is raging like a presidential debate. Is Jimmie Johnson , now a five-time Cup champion, the greatest driver in NASCAR history? It's the question everyone in the motorsports world is asking, and everyone is taking sides.

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debrobeaudean

Elkridge, MD

#1 Dec 2, 2010
like .... No...Jimmie is not the best... Chad is the best CHEATER,, but Jimmie is not the best driver..he whines like a baby when he has to actually race
CatRod53

Fort Wayne, IN

#2 Dec 3, 2010
What a one-sided, narrow-minded, ignorant piece of BS!

They need to preface articles like that with "the following comments are solely those of this reporter and are not supported by the vast majority of Nascar fans - as the sad state of ticket sales and TV ratings prove".

If JJ is as great as his fans think he is, this would not be such a notoriously controversial subject.
Trollersaurus

Concord, NC

#3 Dec 3, 2010
OT, but---It was funny on nascar.com yesterday when they were live streaming the cars going through the strip and Jimmies car was smoking like crazeeee. Jimmie kept getting smoked out of his car and just stood there looking a little sheepish. Carl was saying why couldn't that have happened during the chase. lol
Duh

Columbus, OH

#4 Dec 3, 2010
This may be off topic, but is something medically wrong with JJ baby girl? she has NEVER been animated or moving around, no smiles, no action from her. she just stares ahead,loks sad, no movement of eyes nor arms nor body. just wondering, but it appears she is not healthly . maybe autism or something, she acts as if she is not quiet right. maybe she is deaf or something else .. she does not act like a normal 5 month old. I sure hope not. she is a cute baby.
Duh

Columbus, OH

#5 Dec 3, 2010
looks sad.
SWard

South Gate, CA

#6 Dec 3, 2010
JJ the best ever? Somebody has got serious jokes there!!! Yeah, it was funny to see JJs car smoking so bad there in Vegas, hope thats the engine he takes to Daytona!!!!!

“How We Roll”

Since: Nov 08

Area 51, Nevada

#7 Dec 3, 2010
Said it before, and say it again: Being a champ ain't all about driving any more. Any driver can do that, and the best car control- I think most people agree Kyle has that status wrapped up, correct? And so what is it all about? Being able to give feedback, maintain composure, don't create conflict, and bring the car home in working condition ahead of as many people as possible, with as few incidences as possible, and... without choking.

Consistency on that level is what the game is all about, as dictated by Chad to Jimmie. It's THAT game that everyone must play better than the 48 team. And I'll be damned if Denny wasn't more Jimmie-like than JJ himself, except for not having the confidence and letting his own mindset get the best of him. I can't see any other reason he'd have come off a corner 3 wide during a championship finale. He put himself in a compromising position and payed the penalty.

Meanwhile, the points racing Harvick was doing this season - it's a decent strategy but proved not to be a winning strategy, as even without that speeding penalty, he wasn't going to out-score the 48 team. They'd have to beat Chad and Jimmie at their own game or I don't see them getting a championship.

As for who's the GOAT - we know who that is. The old fellers - I didn't realize how easy it was back then but now I do. Racing was in its infancy and competition was limited. I don't think I'd stoop to pointing that out in the manner the author did but then that's integrity for you - it had to be said. No blowing undeserved sunshine up anyone's arse like most authors would... we have to face the facts if we're going to assess who's truly up against the toughest competition and getting it done under THOSE conditions.

So, sorry but yeah - the author told it like it is and if ya can't accept that reality then maybe its best not to participate in this topic of conversation. LMAO

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#8 Dec 3, 2010
alpinedigital wrote:
Said it before, and say it again: Being a champ ain't all about driving any more. Any driver can do that, and the best car control- I think most people agree Kyle has that status wrapped up, correct? And so what is it all about? Being able to give feedback, maintain composure, don't create conflict, and bring the car home in working condition ahead of as many people as possible, with as few incidences as possible, and... without choking.
Consistency on that level is what the game is all about, as dictated by Chad to Jimmie. It's THAT game that everyone must play better than the 48 team. And I'll be damned if Denny wasn't more Jimmie-like than JJ himself, except for not having the confidence and letting his own mindset get the best of him. I can't see any other reason he'd have come off a corner 3 wide during a championship finale. He put himself in a compromising position and payed the penalty.
Meanwhile, the points racing Harvick was doing this season - it's a decent strategy but proved not to be a winning strategy, as even without that speeding penalty, he wasn't going to out-score the 48 team. They'd have to beat Chad and Jimmie at their own game or I don't see them getting a championship.
As for who's the GOAT - we know who that is. The old fellers - I didn't realize how easy it was back then but now I do. Racing was in its infancy and competition was limited. I don't think I'd stoop to pointing that out in the manner the author did but then that's integrity for you - it had to be said. No blowing undeserved sunshine up anyone's arse like most authors would... we have to face the facts if we're going to assess who's truly up against the toughest competition and getting it done under THOSE conditions.
So, sorry but yeah - the author told it like it is and if ya can't accept that reality then maybe its best not to participate in this topic of conversation. LMAO
Harvick and Hamlin are very talented though, and Were strong early on.

“How We Roll”

Since: Nov 08

Area 51, Nevada

#9 Dec 5, 2010
JohnnyDeppfan2 wrote:
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Harvick and Hamlin are very talented though, and Were strong early on.
I agree, but SO MANY drivers are talented, skilled, etc. But there's more to it than just that, and along with my earlier statements, Jimmie ends up in the right place at the right time so often, and you can't deny the horse shoe. Like the road course win- Stuff like that.

And like, you also cant how being comfortable and confident helps maintain a level of patience that I think is totally critical to winning a championship. Like that road course win, the 48 team knew where they were, and was confident it was more than enough for that day, and was just going to ride it out, save some fuel and tires. Had that caution incident gone any other way, I think 1 last shot to outrace the 47 MIGHT have played out different than the previous restarts. Hell, it wouldn't have taken much to get Ambrose to choke - a little headgame, some intimidation... can the new guy maintain HIS confidence with having a 4-in-a-row champion stalking him, probably just as motivated to get that win as Ambrose? Can Ambrose feel confident that JJ wouldn't put a bumper to him to TAKE it the Dale Sr way?

Anyway, I think once JJ got 2 in a row, people realized the potential. 3 in a row, they became certain. 4 in a row? Okay now there's probably only a few who truly believe they're capable maintaining the necessary level of excellence and consistency to win a championship, provided the 48 team has some problems. But long before this point, JJ earned the mindset that gives him the confidence necessary to do what he does. Confidence breeds patience, and like Hamlin showed in his spin incident, patience is definitely key.

“smokes~ mojo”

Since: Dec 06

kepin' the ears on the big dog

#10 Dec 5, 2010
CatRod53 wrote:
What a one-sided, narrow-minded, ignorant piece of BS!
They need to preface articles like that with "the following comments are solely those of this reporter and are not supported by the vast majority of Nascar fans - as the sad state of ticket sales and TV ratings prove".
If JJ is as great as his fans think he is, this would not be such a notoriously controversial subject.
Amen to that!
JJ2FST488

Stephens City, VA

#11 Dec 5, 2010
Oh, yeah, Jimmie IS Nascar's best ever! Just ask Tony Stewart. He'll tell ya'. As well as many others. He is the best closer Nascar has ever seen. NOBODY will ever win 5 championships in a row. It took the "old" King of Nascar Richard Petty 655 races just to win 5 championships. The "new" King of Nascar, Jimmie Johnson, will win 3 more titles before its all said and done and put this whole "best ever" thing to rest.
Carolyn

Erie, PA

#12 Dec 5, 2010
JJ2FST488 wrote:
Oh, yeah, Jimmie IS Nascar's best ever! Just ask Tony Stewart. He'll tell ya'. As well as many others. He is the best closer Nascar has ever seen. NOBODY will ever win 5 championships in a row. It took the "old" King of Nascar Richard Petty 655 races just to win 5 championships. The "new" King of Nascar, Jimmie Johnson, will win 3 more titles before its all said and done and put this whole "best ever" thing to rest.
Maybe the King didn't work the gray area as much.

“Clint give me some sugar”

Since: Aug 10

United States

#13 Dec 5, 2010
Carolyn wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe the King didn't work the gray area as much.
All the drivers back in the day had their dirty little secrets .Thats when NASCAR was great . NASCAR have made it to honest. That is why the cars are so equal .Didn't anyone on here listen to DW & Andy P. talk about the things they had rigged up on their cars to get the winning advantage.Sr. automatic spoiler he had hooked up on his car . He could adjust it to get more speed & better handling .The trouble is they have taken the heart right out of the sport .Read the BIO on Nascar past . Things Chad has done to a car is nothing compared to what car owners & crew chiefs did back when racing was really racing.JMO
Anonymous

South Gate, CA

#14 Dec 5, 2010
DEATH WISH 2 wrote:
<quoted text>All the drivers back in the day had their dirty little secrets .Thats when NASCAR was great . NASCAR have made it to honest. That is why the cars are so equal .Didn't anyone on here listen to DW & Andy P. talk about the things they had rigged up on their cars to get the winning advantage.Sr. automatic spoiler he had hooked up on his car . He could adjust it to get more speed & better handling .The trouble is they have taken the heart right out of the sport .Read the BIO on Nascar past . Things Chad has done to a car is nothing compared to what car owners & crew chiefs did back when racing was really racing.JMO
A great book to read on this subject is......NASCARS Hidden History, its authors are Johnny Wynn Lawrence, a NASCAR regular in the 50s and 60s, and Keith and Janice Slack. It can be found on Amazon.com and its 20.00. Pretty good readin!!!!

“How We Roll”

Since: Nov 08

Area 51, Nevada

#15 Dec 5, 2010
CatRod53 wrote:
What a one-sided, narrow-minded, ignorant piece of BS!
If JJ is as great as his fans think he is, this would not be such a notoriously controversial subject.
OR...

If NASCAR/JJ haters are still in denial and throwing biased opinion with nothing like 5 championships that back up THEIR claims, along with all the NASCAR drivers, and most if not all the staff involved in racing, it wouldn't be such a controversial subject?

That's all it is, denial. The only people who think its controversial are those same BS artists using any alleged reason they have at their disposal to try and degrade the sport and the person team that's winning.

Since: Aug 08

Richardson, TX

#16 Dec 5, 2010
Who wrote that article? I already answered this, right here. http://nascarsilliness.blogspot.com

Until the chase format is updated or eliminated all together, most fans are never going to except Jimmie as anything other that a ten race winner.

I'm still trying to figure out how I would change it but I would start with the "regular" season winner being top seed regardless of race wins. Whats the point of racing all season only to be shuffled back . I mean Jimmie was as far back as 9th just a couple of weeks before the start of the chase. Once it started he was 2nd.. How fair is that?
ruttrosmokesmojo

AOL

#17 Dec 5, 2010
amen I love that blog it says what fans have wanteds to express forever...

“How We Roll”

Since: Nov 08

Area 51, Nevada

#18 Dec 5, 2010
Well what if it was a different points system like this?

http://yhoo.it/fPR8h4
ruttrosmokesmojo

AOL

#19 Dec 5, 2010
nope 36 races he who has the most wins...

Since: Aug 08

Richardson, TX

#20 Dec 5, 2010
All I'm saying is have race wins give points then not just for the chase.

Regular season winner gets top seed and everybody goes into the chase the same place they ended the regular season. No spotting of points ( sometimes close to 300) once the chase starts. If your 10th in points when the regular season ends then your tenth in points when the chase starts.

Give them there own points or do elimination style, whatever but to spot somebody more points than they could possibly earn in one race is asinine. And thats the main reason I cant be thrilled about the "history" of this achievement.

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