NASCAR drivers warn that transition won't be easy for F1 imports

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Formula One drivers like Canadian Jacques Villeneuve and Colombian Juan Pablo Montoya can have success in NASCAR, but it wouldn't come overnight, warn Greg Biffle and Adrian Fernandez.

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Jan 11, 2007
 
Give me a break. The NASCAR drivers are full of it. In NASCAR, 40 drivers between 19 and 65 routinely drive three abreast in the turns, which are only in one direction after all. So, it can't be that hard.
Ouch. I think if you've ever had an opportunity to drive a car, on the edge of it's mechanical designs, at a speed where one is constantly correcting for aero affects, counter steering continuously through the corners to maintain a "controlled" slide, without power steering, in 100 to 130 degree heat with no real air flow in the cockpit, I think you might have a different perspective on the issue. Heck, it ain't even easy going straight when you're at speed, never mind the corners. 750 HP, when applied incorrectly, constantly wants to force the back end past the front end. These guys are so good, they make it look easy!

I used to have no real respect for the aptitude required for auto racing, but then I have had the chance to try it on different levels, and it is NUTS crazy hard. I think drivers don't get all the credit they deserve.

And the engineering that goes into setting up a balanced car that is conducive to a drivers style is also an art ....

I am not knocking anyone, just saying, hey, consider the perspectives.

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Jan 11, 2007
 
The differences between the two types of cars dictate that the NASCAR stockcar is the harder animal to get the most out of. That makes the NASCAR driver that wins, the best the business has to offer.
I think, each beast has it's own taming points, and as such, one is not harder than the other.

F1 in cockpit cameras show them constantly correcting through corners. In fact, I GUESS, that it may require faster reflexes in F1, being they're going a wee bit faster, but it is only a GUESS. Having never driven an F1, I can only surmise.

But I would like to add that the IROC competitions sure do seem to show an interesting non-parity in series drivers.(That's the nascar fan in me speaking - sorry folks)

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Jan 12, 2007
 
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I think, each beast has it's own taming points, and as such, one is not harder than the other.
F1 in cockpit cameras show them constantly correcting through corners. In fact, I GUESS, that it may require faster reflexes in F1, being they're going a wee bit faster, but it is only a GUESS. Having never driven an F1, I can only surmise.
But I would like to add that the IROC competitions sure do seem to show an interesting non-parity in series drivers.(That's the nascar fan in me speaking - sorry folks)
'Nuff Said.
How do feel the NASCAR drivers would do if rather than IROC cars, they used open wheel cars and run on road courses?

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Jan 12, 2007
 
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How do feel the NASCAR drivers would do if rather than IROC cars, they used open wheel cars and run on road courses?
I think the open wheelers would have the advantage. It's their home "turf", so to speak, in reference to the equipment.
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Jan 12, 2007
 
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I think the open wheelers would have the advantage. It's their home "turf", so to speak, in reference to the equipment.
I agree. That's why I don't think that much can be learned from IROC races. They are too similar to NASCAR style racing so the Tracy's and Hornish's are really at a disadvantage.
What will be interesting however, is how JPM does in NASCAR. It's unlike CART or F1. Both in the equipment and in how the drivers race. If he is successful, he must be considered as one of the great race car drivers of his time. Think about it he won a championship in CART (at a time when it was far more competitive and important than it is today), he won the biggest race of them all the Indy 500 on his first try (he led 168 laps, which is amazing), he came very close to winning an F1 title, he won 7 F1 races and won on just about ever significant track in F1 (Monaco,Monza,Silverstone), he still hold the record for the fastest F1 lap ever(2002 at Monza) so I guess you could call him the fastest man in the history of F1, and now if he wins in NASCAR.....other than Mario, I don't know of another resume like his.
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Jan 12, 2007
 
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How do feel the NASCAR drivers would do if rather than IROC cars, they used open wheel cars and run on road courses?
Up to a point, driving is driving. A good driver can be good in most any type of car, given the proper amount of practice. A great driver is one who can adapt the quickest to the most variables. When NASCAR went from bias ply to radial tires some drivers never adapted and their winning days were over. If F1 loses traction control some drivers won't adapt. Jeff Gordon & Jimmy Johnson won the World Cup a few years ago against the best that Europe could offer in a car & race they weren't familiar with. Open wheel types have made some very good showings in IROC, where the odds were definitely against them. Michael Schumacher has only really been outstanding in F1, where he obviously found his niche. How would he do in the Dakar Rally, or the Rolex 24 Hours of Daytona? Unfortunately, we'll probably never know. Schumacher is a better F1 driver then Montoya, but I think Montoya is the better all-around driver.
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Jan 12, 2007
 
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Up to a point, driving is driving. A good driver can be good in most any type of car, given the proper amount of practice. A great driver is one who can adapt the quickest to the most variables. When NASCAR went from bias ply to radial tires some drivers never adapted and their winning days were over. If F1 loses traction control some drivers won't adapt. Jeff Gordon & Jimmy Johnson won the World Cup a few years ago against the best that Europe could offer in a car & race they weren't familiar with. Open wheel types have made some very good showings in IROC, where the odds were definitely against them. Michael Schumacher has only really been outstanding in F1, where he obviously found his niche. How would he do in the Dakar Rally, or the Rolex 24 Hours of Daytona? Unfortunately, we'll probably never know. Schumacher is a better F1 driver then Montoya, but I think Montoya is the better all-around driver.
I completely agree with you. Schumacher was once asked if he would ever race in the Indy 500. He said no. There was no way he would race three wide going 220 mph with a wall. In his mind, this isn't racing. He has said similar things about NASCAR. It's not that he doesn't have the courage to do it, I think he's proven he has tons of courage, it's that he's not that kind of driver. You're correct, F1 is his niche. It suits his personality and driving style. Montoya is totally different. My guess is Kimi could also do well at Indy or in NASCAR...if he was ever interested.

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Jan 15, 2007
 
Hmm, I say we stuff them in legends cars and see who comes out on top? That could be a fair. Not a car, not an open cockpit, more like a motorcycle with 4 wheels!!
OK, now I'm just being glib.
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Jan 16, 2007
 
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Hmm, I say we stuff them in legends cars and see who comes out on top? That could be a fair. Not a car, not an open cockpit, more like a motorcycle with 4 wheels!!
OK, now I'm just being glib.
That would still be a NASCAR style race, which stacks the deck in favor of NASCAR drivers. A real race of champions would be paved and dirt road courses as well as paved and dirt ovals, with maybe a Finnish style ice race thrown in. Now that would be interesting.
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Jan 16, 2007
 
How about instead of running all four races in the same type of car, run four races in different type car, one oval track in IROC car, a road course in a CART OR IRL car, a dirt short track in a Silver Crown car and a paved short track in a truck. That would mix it up a little more than it is now. I definitely think the stock car drivers have the advantage right now in IROC just because of the closeness of the cars to what they are use to driving.
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Jan 18, 2007
 
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Because of the amount of just plain dumb luck involved, any team can win any given race. Think of Derrick Cope wining Daytona. Sometimes dumb luck will win a championship. Remember Kurt Busch & the runaway tire? Right now though, because of the points structure, constitency is what wins championships. Most teams don't have it. One season Rusty Wallace won 10 or so races but not the championship because he also had a lot of bad finishes.
Several of the teams you mention will certainly win championships. Several never will. NASCAR can strive for parity in the cars, but it is up to the teams to come up with the right people in the right places at the right time. It ain't easy!
It was not dumb luck that Schumacher blew his engine at Japan last year while leading Alonzo? The first such failure on a Ferrari in something like three years! How is that different than Earnhardt breaking down in first place in the 500 and the second place driver (Cope) winning the race???

There is no difference.

Dumb luck does not put you in a position to win. Second place is a pretty good place to be in ANY race.
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Jan 18, 2007
 
If you think that an F1 driver is a better physical athlete than a NASCAR driver, you are obviously biased. One guy mentioned Mark Martin. Man, Marting is a workout junkie who has a state of the art weight training facility in his hanger/office. His body fat ratio is close to ZERO.

Before the Gatorade GIDS system was developed, these guys raced 400, 500, and 600 miles in the middle of the American SUMMER, in places like Talladega, Darlington, Daytona, and Charlotte. The last July race under the sun at Daytona. I remember it because I was there. John Andretti won a 400 mile race that started at noon, on a day that was 95 degrees, and 100 percent humid. The only attrition that day was due to mechanical failure, not from any physical breakdown from any driver. That was before any cool suit, or GIDS system was furnished.

Don't sell these guys short.

You marvel at the F1 athlete because they are usually skinny and sculpted, but understand that F1 manufacturers build the cars for skinny types, and demand only that type of build. A fat Tony Stewart can drive circles around anybody. I've seen that too!

Ive got a lot of respect for any driver in any form of motorsport, and I do not rate any ahead of the other. I enjoy them all because conjecture provides you with an excuse to dismiss excellence.
NASCAR drivers ARE excellence personified.
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Jan 19, 2007
 
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It was not dumb luck that Schumacher blew his engine at Japan last year while leading Alonzo? The first such failure on a Ferrari in something like three years! How is that different than Earnhardt breaking down in first place in the 500 and the second place driver (Cope) winning the race???
There is no difference.
Dumb luck does not put you in a position to win. Second place is a pretty good place to be in ANY race.
If you don't think that luck plays a part in winning races and championships then you haven't been watching too closely. Doesn't matter how Cope got to second. Could have been talent, pit strategy, shuffling of the pack, or luck. But, dumb luck handed him the win. Same wtih Kurt Busch & the runaway tire. A few feet to the left, it would have gone down pit road, no caution, & he would have gone laps down & been out of the running for the championship. Schumacher didn't blow up because of his talent as a driver or because of the performance of his pit crew. Sooner or later every team has problems. He was unlucky that his happened when it did.
What I said was no reflection on either series or the teams & drivers. Races & championships are often won or lost because of unforseen circumstances. I call it dumb luck. You call it what you want.
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Jan 20, 2007
 
The thing is very simple. Juan Pablo Montoya has been always a superior driver than Michael Schumacher and I am not talking only about F1 or Nascar racing, I am talking about Juan Pablo Montoya could beat easily Michael Schumacher on any type of racing, because ability, preparation, experience, talent, personality, diverse background and something Michael will never have, guts. Put them on exactly same machines, with same qualified engineering team and Montoya will beat Schumacher permanently.

The only reason Montoya never beats Schumacher permanently, was because the vehicles. That is fact looking at the drivers leaving Williams first and now Mclaren, where Montoya struggled to win.

On the other hand, Ferrari had their best years when Montoya moves to F1. Different history would be if Schumacher were running with a team other than Ferrari. Thatís why Schumacher now needs to make unneeded and disrespectful comments about Montoya, Nascar and the USA nationís people. If he donít have the guts that Montoya have been demonstrating all these years, at the very least donít insult the only person who is better than him, another sport and anotherís country people.
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Feb 19, 2007
 
ALL F1 drivers who are the #1 on their teams make MORE than comparable NASCAR driver. Ferrari's budget alone is more than ALL teams in NASCAR. Formula One is a bigger sport, period. They are both great sports but to think they are on the same level isnt being honest. Juan Pablo was NOT a star in F1, I dont care how you SPIN it, he was the BACKUP driver and was forced out of F1...to the casual fan who is looking for entertainment NASCAR is much better!!......I LOVE F1 but even I have fallen asleep during a Schumacher dominate drive a few seasons ago (lol)
then again I've never watched an entire NASCAR race
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<quoted text>Wait a minute-How much money did Jimmie Johnson earn last year? A few F1 drivers may have decent contracts, but if it's so easy why haven't more F1 drivers tried to cash in? Money talks and maybe you're right-JPM jumped right in and won, how many races?, How many top tens-how many did he even finish? no,as you said, he jumped in and drove around. I enjoy F1, they have all kinds of exciting elements in their series, but I do enjoy passing, wheel to wheel, hand in hand - driver vs driver, not just pocketbooks vs engineers, but I do enjoy both, and that's OK, that's why we have chocolate and vanilla.

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Feb 19, 2007
 
Alberto wrote:
The thing is very simple. Juan Pablo Montoya has been always a superior driver than Michael Schumacher and I am not talking only about F1 or Nascar racing, I am talking about Juan Pablo Montoya could beat easily Michael Schumacher on any type of racing, because ability, preparation, experience, talent, personality, diverse background and something Michael will never have, guts. Put them on exactly same machines, with same qualified engineering team and Montoya will beat Schumacher permanently.
The only reason Montoya never beats Schumacher permanently, was because the vehicles. That is fact looking at the drivers leaving Williams first and now Mclaren, where Montoya struggled to win.
On the other hand, Ferrari had their best years when Montoya moves to F1. Different history would be if Schumacher were running with a team other than Ferrari. Thatís why Schumacher now needs to make unneeded and disrespectful comments about Montoya, Nascar and the USA nationís people. If he donít have the guts that Montoya have been demonstrating all these years, at the very least donít insult the only person who is better than him, another sport and anotherís country people.
Get a life man MS make Ferrari they were nothing 10 years ago . And as for JPM being better than MS I dont think so , he never even won a f1 championship .
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Mar 20, 2007
 
Who are the oldest NASCAR drivers? they seem far older on average than F1 drivers.

I honestly feel that if you took any current F1 driver and gave him a season in NASCAR, he would be up to speed with the fastest drivers in that series by the end of the year. However, if you put a NASCAR driver in an F1 car for a season, he would more than likely be outside the top 15 in the final standings.

You have to be a gifted driver to drive a F1 car, I know NASCAR demands a high level of skill as well, but almost any talented European based driver ( GP2,DTM, Euro F3, WTCC ) could make the switch given time to adapt. An Oval based driver from the US would find it far tougher to learn circuit driving.
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Mar 20, 2007
 
Lewis wrote:
Who are the oldest NASCAR drivers? they seem far older on average than F1 drivers.
I honestly feel that if you took any current F1 driver and gave him a season in NASCAR, he would be up to speed with the fastest drivers in that series by the end of the year. However, if you put a NASCAR driver in an F1 car for a season, he would more than likely be outside the top 15 in the final standings.
You have to be a gifted driver to drive a F1 car, I know NASCAR demands a high level of skill as well, but almost any talented European based driver ( GP2,DTM, Euro F3, WTCC ) could make the switch given time to adapt. An Oval based driver from the US would find it far tougher to learn circuit driving.
Tony Stewart and Jeff Gordon would do well for sure. Once you see what they can do on the track you will agree. Jeff Gordon can make a crappy car win.
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Mar 21, 2007
 
I may be wrong, but doesn't Tony Stewart have Single Seater experience? I want to see the video of Jeff Gordon in the F1 car from 2003. There is a good video of Montoya driving Gordon's NASCAR from the 2003 season. It is available from youtube
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May 1, 2007
 
Lets me recall ... Mario Andretti, F1 Champ, also won the Indy 500, AND THE DAYTONA 500.

Name one stock-car driver to graduate to F1 and win even a single, minor race.

Sure, Juan Pablo is going to struggle to be winner right away (though he's already taken one Busch race). But, from day one he could drive in the field without any problem. Not a single stock car driver could do that in F1.

F1 is simply the pinnacle of international motorsport whereas stock-car racing, as demanding as it is, is no where near that level. BTW, even the mid-pack F1 drivers make loads more than Jimmie Johnson or Jeff Gordon.

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